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wonnie said:
Yeah, Arsenal are totally going to sell Van Persie to Manchester United.

Yeah, Liverpool are totally going to sell Torres to Chelsea.
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Van Persie pushed for the move so the equivalent would be Mata pushing for a move to Manchester United specifically.
Chelsea offered 50m for Torres so Liverpool sold him and quite rightly so. It's a huge amount of money. The problem is, Chelsea don't need money.
 
Mel_F said:
Van Persie pushed for the move so the equivalent would be Mata pushing for a move to Manchester United specifically.
Chelsea offered 50m for Torres so Liverpool sold him and quite rightly so. It's a huge amount of money. The problem is, Chelsea don't need money.
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I heard on the radio this morning that they made another big loss & may need to sell if they want to buy a striker otherwise they are at risk of falling foul of FFP rules. I don't doubt they could find another way round that though.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Situations are very different. Neither Liverpool or Arsenal have Abramovich, a man who can shrug off 20m as a mere annoyance. There is no way Chelsea will sell us Mata, not a chance. Bit odd i'm even having to explain this...
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Wouldn't say very different. Stranger things have happened. I agree its not the most likely but you really can't write it off.
 
Mel_F said:
Van Persie pushed for the move so the equivalent would be Mata pushing for a move to Manchester United specifically.
Chelsea offered 50m for Torres so Liverpool sold him and quite rightly so. It's a huge amount of money. The problem is, Chelsea don't need money.
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The Times ran an article yesterday about them making a £50 million loss this year, as opposed to a small profit last. Whomever wrote the article suggests that rather than be "self sufficient" they simply want to be able to comply with the FFP regulations over the next couple of years, or at least minimise the iimpact of non-compliance, as nobody knows what the sanctions will be as it stands.

The upshot of the article was that Jose may need to sell before he can buy. Jose coming out on the first day of the transfer window and telling the world he's for sale might tell you where they're at as it stands.
 
Mel_F said:
Van Persie pushed for the move so the equivalent would be Mata pushing for a move to Manchester United specifically.
Chelsea offered 50m for Torres so Liverpool sold him and quite rightly so. It's a huge amount of money. The problem is, Chelsea don't need money.
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Mata could easily push for a move, we'll see what happens. Chelsea aren't completely averse to money coming into the club. If they can use the money to buy a striker and the management don't really rate Mata + he pushes for a move... can't write it off.
 
ItsEssexRob said:
Hopefully today was enough ( I know it was only 1 assist) to make sure Mata starts more games.

Its no good worrying so much about the teams defensiveness when you aren't scoring and are still conceding ( albeit less) anyway.
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ItsEssexRob said:
Mata wont go to one of our rivals obviously, and I think he will go back to spain, or possibly PSG. Shame as I do like the guy, but he clearly isnt as good all round as we all thought. Oscar has excelled this season and is a better all rounder, Willian has shown what hes capable of and Hazard speaks for himself. Mata would be good to keep untill the Summer ideally though so we can rotate with him as a squad player when the FA cup and CL games return.
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The wonder of Mourinho. Amazing how opinions can change from September to January.
 
Colin129 said:
I heard on the radio this morning that they made another big loss & may need to sell if they want to buy a striker otherwise they are at risk of falling foul of FFP rules. I don't doubt they could find another way round that though.
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RedRover said:
The Times ran an article yesterday about them making a £50 million loss this year, as opposed to a small profit last. Whomever wrote the article suggests that rather than be "self sufficient" they simply want to be able to comply with the FFP regulations over the next couple of years, or at least minimise the iimpact of non-compliance, as nobody knows what the sanctions will be as it stands.

The upshot of the article was that Jose may need to sell before he can buy. Jose coming out on the first day of the transfer window and telling the world he's for sale might tell you where they're at as it stands.
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Can't they just sign a 'sponsorship' deal like City? In any case, aren't PSG in for him? We don't really need him so I'd rather us blow a load of money on a CM and a LB. And a proper winger, not an AM who can operate out wide.
 
wonnie said:
Wouldn't say very different. Stranger things have happened. I agree its not the most likely but you really can't write it off.
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Well you can, there's no way Chelsea would sell a player of Matas caliber to a rival. They don't need the money and so have complete control over the situation. Whereas Liverpool and Arsenal both can't afford to write off significant money on a player and therefore if a rival offers crazy money for one of their players they'll have to accept. His contract is up in 2016 so its not even like Mata can play hardball and wait it out. He'll force through a transfer to be able to get into the WC squad and therefore it won't be to an English club.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Well you can, there's no way Chelsea would sell a player of Matas caliber to a rival. They don't need the money and so have complete control over the situation. Whereas Liverpool and Arsenal both can't afford to write off significant money on a player and therefore if a rival offers crazy money for one of their players they'll have to accept. His contract is up in 2016 so its not even like Mata can play hardball and wait it out. He'll force through a transfer to be able to get into the WC squad and therefore it won't be to an English club.
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SSN reporting that he's available if he wants to leave.

Odd one this; if he does want to go it's unlikely that renties will want to sell to a PL rival,he'll be on pretty big wages which i'm sure he'll want to match.....
 
Inigo Montoya said:
SSN reporting that he's available if he wants to leave.

Odd one this; if he does want to go it's unlikely that renties will want to sell to a PL rival,he'll be on pretty big wages which i'm sure he'll want to match.....
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He's still on the same contract as when he signed from Valencia. He's not on high wages. Not for a footballer of his ability.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
SSN reporting that he's available if he wants to leave.

Odd one this; if he does want to go it's unlikely that renties will want to sell to a PL rival,he'll be on pretty big wages which i'm sure he'll want to match.....
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Precisely my point. PSG will go in for him and get him. They already spend stupid amount of money on wages and would guarantee him first team football. Replace Motta with Mata. Sorted. In fact Matuidi is leaving PSG, so they could push Motta back to his DM role and play Mata on the left of the midfield 3 alongside Verratti.
 
Mel_F said:
He's still on the same contract as when he signed from Valencia. He's not on high wages. Not for a footballer of his ability.
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Which leads me to think that it will be to another foreign plastic club.

It would be great to think that he having experienced the intensity of the PL would prefer to stay here than say France, getting big money but playing in a shite league
 
RedSky At Night said:
Precisely my point. PSG will go in for him and get him. They already spend stupid amount of money on wages and would guarantee him first team football. Replace Motta with Mata. Sorted. In fact Matuidi is leaving PSG, so they could push Motta back to his DM role and play Mata on the left of the midfield 3 alongside Verratti.
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Lets just hope that chelses dont secure cavani or Ibrahimovic going in the other direction!
 
sun_tzu said:
Lets just hope that chelses dont secure cavani or Ibrahimovic going in the other direction!
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Indeed! Although Chelsea also need a CB and a LB! But their Strikers are ruddy useless. Cavani at Chelsea would be horrible, he'd not only be brilliant for them, but he'd be there for a fairly long time!
 
Mel_F said:
Can't they just sign a 'sponsorship' deal like City? In any case, aren't PSG in for him? We don't really need him so I'd rather us blow a load of money on a CM and a LB. And a proper winger, not an AM who can operate out wide.
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I think the issues here is Roman probably not being overly keen to spend any more of his hard earned when they have big money players not getting picked. Losing managers will have cost him a pretty penny over the last few years and Jose doesnt come cheap. The fact that they didn't go out and get a Falcao or Cavani when they clearly need a forward I think is indicative of what's going on - i.e. Roman says "i spent a fortune on Torress so use him".

Perhaps they're just taking a more sensible approach than other clubs.

I'm sure lots of clubs will be in for him - he's a quality player. Moyes has said that he can go and get the players he wants, and we need players in various positions. UNited would have a shout if he wanted to move.

I can see that some people would want other players - but I think Mata operating out wide would do a great job. PL proven and creates a lot of chances. Operating out wide and coming inside could leave space for a left back to verlap - hopefully Baines.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Precisely my point. PSG will go in for him and get him. They already spend stupid amount of money on wages and would guarantee him first team football. Replace Motta with Mata. Sorted. In fact Matuidi is leaving PSG, so they could push Motta back to his DM role and play Mata on the left of the midfield 3 alongside Verratti.
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United could also guarantee forst team football and big wages. As could any number of top clubs.
 
RedRover said:
United could also guarantee forst team football and big wages. As could any number of top clubs.
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How many times do I have to say this. Chelsea can afford to make a huge loss on a player and sell them where ever they like. They can afford to throw Mata in the reserves to teach him a lesson and thereby destroy his WC dream. For once, the Club are in the position of strength not the player. Therefore to keep Mata in the WC Squad, he'd need to honor Chelseas wishes and move abroad.
 
It's probably been said but considering we have moved to a 4-2-3-1, we definitely have space for him in our formation. He'd be perfect for us on either the left or right of the front 3.



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If we can agree a fee with Chelsea we have to be his top choice. The other big boys don't have room for him and the lower tier can't offer the wages we can. I just hope Moyes doesn't pussy foot as usual.
 
RedSky At Night said:
How many times do I have to say this. Chelsea can afford to make a huge loss on a player and sell them where ever they like. They can afford to throw Mata in the reserves to teach him a lesson and thereby destroy his WC dream. For once, the Club are in the position of strength not the player. Therefore to keep Mata in the WC Squad, he'd need to honor Chelseas wishes and move abroad.
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You might want to go back a few pages or check sky sports. They said he can leave if he wants. If he was restricted by which club he can choice i don't see the point of making it public. Do you?!
 
Mainoldo said:
You might want to go back a few pages or check sky sports. They said he can leave if he wants. If he was restricted by which club he can choice i don't see the point of making it public. Do you?!
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Yes he can leave, but it doesn't say "yeah sure, go to United". They didn't want to sell Mata to Spurs in the Summer so why would they sell to us now? This is just as unrealistic as Fabregas.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Yes he can leave, but it doesn't say "yeah sure, go to United". They didn't want to sell Mata to Spurs in the Summer so why would they sell to us now? This is just as unrealistic as Fabregas.
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Well if thats the case don't open your mouth and tell people he can leave. If we said Rooney can leave I'm sure he would just be sold to the highest bidder. We don't potential course Chelsea any harm this season we can't even beat Spurs.
 
Mainoldo said:
Well if thats the case don't open your mouth and tell people he can leave. If we said Rooney can leave I'm sure he would just be sold to the highest bidder. We don't potential course Chelsea any harm this season we can't even beat Spurs.
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No he wouldn't. We'd never sell Rooney to a title rival. The last thing you do is sell one of your best players to a rival as you're weakening your squad and improving your oppositions. Arsenal had to do it because RvP forced Arsenals hand (and tbf, we went with a high bid). Mata can't force Chelseas hand because as I keep saying, they can afford to throw him in the reserves and therefore destroying his WC dream. Hey, I might be wrong and Chelsea really are that stupid, but if I was in Mourinho's position, i'd be saying to Mata "Look, you can leave the club in this window, just make sure its to a foreign team. Otherwise we'll send you to the reserves and keep you there for the remainder of the season and I doubt Spain would want you in their WC squad in that scenario".
 
wonnie said:
Quantity wise we've got a lot of players in the ST/AM/winger positions but most of them are just not pulling their weight for a variety reasons.

Moyes played with tucked in wingers at Everton... I don't think he fancies wingers as much as Fergie does - it's just that he is playing the hand he has been dealt with (which is a squad with quite a few wingers).

I don't completely buy the argument Moyes is 'backward' or whatever - it's clear we were chasing Fabregas/Thiago (though the way we went about it was stupid) so at least we are looking at the right type/level of players.

Beggars can't be choosers.. and having Mata in our current predicament would be a massive lift to the team no question about it.
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Yeah I agree with you on Moyes. I also agree that we should sign Mata if the price is reasonable because even if he's not at his best out on the wing, he is still better than the current versions of Valencia/Nani/Young.

The problem with Mata on the flanks though is that it still doesn't get the best out of him. Moyes played with Pienaar at Everton who didn't hug the touchline, but the difference is that he was still actually a winger in a way Mata isn't.

I agree with you that there is no question a lot of technical footballers can play wide nowadays, but they don't all do so with the same success and IMO Mata is one who genuinely does play better football in the middle.

You obviously have your modern wingers - Reus, Robben - who actually play out wide and its their best position. Then you have the number 10's who can actually play both centrally and out wide with no real drop off - Hazard, Isco - because their skillset suits playing on the flanks as well as the middle. Then you have number 10's who can do a job out wide but it won't get the best out of them - Kagawa, Silva.

In my opinion Mata is firmly in that last category. He'll be an improvement over Valencia/Nani but we won't see the best out of him and he certainly won't be as effective as he was last season playing through the middle.
 
RedSky At Night said:
How many times do I have to say this. Chelsea can afford to make a huge loss on a player and sell them where ever they like. They can afford to throw Mata in the reserves to teach him a lesson and thereby destroy his WC dream. For once, the Club are in the position of strength not the player. Therefore to keep Mata in the WC Squad, he'd need to honor Chelseas wishes and move abroad.
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How many times do I have to make the point that I have repeatedly above. Clearly then can do whatever they like should Roman be hap[py to fund it. As it stands Mourinho seems to have made it quite clear he (and other unhappy players) can leave if they wish. The fact that he's been limited to signing Eto'o rather than the blockbuster forward he wanted suggests he may need to move players on before he can spend any big money, rtaher than have big name players in the reserves.

Chelsea may well not want to sell him to another side in the PL - and they may try to move him on elsewhere. The club wouldn't know unless and until they tried. If they make a decent offer to Chelsea and the player wants the move then they might let him go.

The fact is, United are unlikely to be direct rivals this year. I suspect neither Real or Barca could fit him in. PSG may want him but he might not fancy that. I suspect Arsenal, Spurs and United might be interested and of those United might be the most paletable for Chelsea as it stands.

At the end of the day its all speculation but Chelsea have a player worth decent money who the manager has made clear he won't pick - there seems no way back for him as he's done nothing wrong, the manager just doesnt fancy him. If another side wants him that might mean Jose can get the forward he wants.
 
RedRover said:
How many times do I have to make the point that I have repeatedly above. Clearly then can do whatever they like should Roman be hap[py to fund it. As it stands Mourinho seems to have made it quite clear he (and other unhappy players) can leave if they wish. The fact that he's been limited to signing Eto'o rather than the blockbuster forward he wanted suggests he may need to move players on before he can spend any big money, rtaher than have big name players in the reserves.

Chelsea may well not want to sell him to another side in the PL - and they may try to move him on elsewhere. The club wouldn't know unless and until they tried. If they make a decent offer to Chelsea and the player wants the move then they might let him go.

The fact is, United are unlikely to be direct rivals this year. I suspect neither Real or Barca could fit him in. PSG may want him but he might not fancy that. I suspect Arsenal, Spurs and United might be interested and of those United might be the most paletable for Chelsea as it stands.

At the end of the day its all speculation but Chelsea have a player worth decent money who the manager has made clear he won't pick - there seems no way back for him as he's done nothing wrong, the manager just doesnt fancy him. If another side wants him that might mean Jose can get the forward he wants.
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As I keep pointing out, I think you're living in a fantasy world if you think Chelsea will sell Mata to us. Just because we're having a bad season doesn't mean we still aren't their rivals. Just like we wouldn't sell any of our players to them, neither will they sell to us. Just use a pinch of common sense and put away the transfer muppet hat for a moment and you'll see i'm talking sense.

Also Mourinho was stupid enough to spend 66million in the summer on players they didn't really need. I'm pretty sure 66million would give you a world class striker... so perhaps Mourinho should keep quiet about his wishes for a Striker eh? Spend his money a bit more wisely. :)
 
Submit a bid anyway. Submit loads of bids! Submit all the bids!!!!
 
Lolz.

feck it, to the Ronaldo thread!
 
Seriously though I'd cream myself if we got him. Always loved watching him.
 
He's a known bullshitter. Not that there's much hope in the story either.
 
I hope he quits the classy nice guy act and demands a move. If he is allowed to leave I hope its to Old Trafford. We need a creative midfielder. Mata before he was dropped by Jose was one of the most productive players in the league. Plus if we buy Mata our coaching staff might be finally compelled to ditch 4-4-2. He could easily play as in a 3 man midfield with Carrick and Jones or in the front 3 with Rooney and Januzaj. As someone with world cup ambitions he would be guaranteed first team football. Woodward should make a proper bid upwards of £35million.
 
Chelsea shouldn't consider us as a title rival anymore this season, so that may work for us :drool:

I can't see this happening, but if it does - Chelsea have the right to rinse us dry.
 
Isn't that Fairthorne guy that said Thiago to us was a done deal? And M'Vila to Arsenal too?

Anyway, if we got Mata I'd be over the moon. He's the type of player we could do with, along with a LB and centre midfielder. Get shot of either or both of Young and Nani in the and replace them with Mata and a younger lad. Perfect.
 
Fairthorne knows nothing, check his previous. Chelsea will not sell Juan Mata to us even if he wants to come here. They have enough money and power to stop him forcing a move. It's not an RVP situation. Convinced that he'll take a loan move to Atletico. He needs game time, as he is fighting to be in the Spanish squad for the WC.
 
If we did sign him it'd probably spell the end for Kagawa, wouldn't it? Both play in the same position but Mata would probably suit us more and has proven himself in the PL.
 
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