Mata | Mourinho says it's just a Mata of time
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Juan Mata sounds like won't matter.
Look at who the poster is.
Yeah, feck signing a centre midfielder! Lets sign someone else we've no need for and play him there instead!
You can always sign a midfielder and Mata
Our midfield is dire, wingers and left back aren't any better however.
-Valencia gets criticised alot on here for his performances and he has to play everytime because we don't have anything better
-Young fails and is already out injurred again... good by good run off form (flash in a pan)
-Nani when will he ever be fit again, probs within a few weeks, after which it will take another couple of weeks to be out injurred again for a long time... tired with this guy !
Only good winger we have is Januzaj and the kid is 18 years old for god sake !
Zaha is never played by Moyes, so pressumably he isn't ready to step and he won't be saving our season, big question mark if it will be the case next season ( £15M for somebody who has to go on loan, seriously ?)
Welbeck can play on the wing, but he is just as shite as the rest there, he is finally getting together a little bit of form playing in the striker position, so for his sake I'd keep him there.
Kagawa isn't a winger, and his performances on that position have been abysmal.
I'd welcome Juan Mata to come play on our left wing, than Januzaj can occupy the right wing and Valencia and Young can be used as back up (which is the role they deserve because they aren't good enough to be first choise players). Will be a world off difference to the team's performance. Just like a good midfielder who can play a good pass and set up an attack would also be a world off difference to our performance.
More needs to be done than just a midfielder !
Januzaj---Rooney---Mata
-------------RVP-------------
-------------RVP-------------
Januzaj - RVP - Mata
-------Anichibe------
More likely and like Moyes
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More likely and like Moyes
I'd be all for this if it meant we had a style overhaul. If we sign him, stick him on the wing and expect him to do for us what he did for Chelsea then we're gonna be disappointed imo.
Not sure, but what does Mata offer that Kagawa does not?
More direct in style and take responsibility in his play in terms of making an active contribution I suspect.
Kagawa has been far too happy to be a bystander. He has looked good without actually being that good. In theory they should offer similar qualities but Kagawa after 1.5 seasons had been disappointing whatever the reasons may be.
Mata is a much more individual player so to speak, and more direct then Kagawa. Like what has been talked about in the Kagawa thread, Kagawa has never been a player that can take the game by the scruff of the neck and turn it around, or make something out of nothing. He's a very clever player and excellent on the ball, but he doesn't impose himself as much as Mata does. Mata can take players on and is much more willing to whip balls into the box, which suits us more. He's also a lot more adapt at playing on the wings then Kagawa is, and is like Januzaj in a way that he can play anywhere in a 3 in a 4-2-3-1.
We would still need a bit of a change of style, but that should go without saying and if we want to improve in any way, then that should come first. Mata would be easier to fit in then Kagawa though IMO. He's not a perfect fit for us by any means, but he'd be a massive improvement for us on the wings, and if there is any chance we can get him then I think we should (as long as we also get a midfielder of course).
If mata is considered to be a liability by his current manager (i think he is not enough of a worker for Mo), don;t you think that Moye's would also see that as well? after all we know that moyes like his work horses in his teams.
I don't think we are in the position to criticise work rate. Not one player has showed urgency when we play.
The one player I think would fit in nicely if Rooney was to leave. Dont think it will happen unless it was some kind of swap mind.
Rooney will more than likely head to Chelsea after the WC, so depending on the likes of PSG and Barca, we could make a move for Mata. I don't see why he would want a move to United though.
He's a great little player, but for some reason I don't think he would fit our current style (or lack of it), even if Chelsea were crazy enough to let us have him.
I think you could very easily say the same about Mata this season. Given he's shown previously that he can be a match-winner and a key player in this same team, it does show you how much of an impact not fitting into the manager's plans can impact on performances.
You make a good point. Question is how much time can we give Kagawa? Even at his best though I don't think he was ever a really creative AM which I think sometimes people tend to mistake him as - possibly due to the position he plays in.
I think Mata offers a entirely different level of creativity.
Kagawa needs a settled run in the team in that position, which hasn't been the case at all.
If our scouts thought Isco was too slow and we weren't interested in Mata when he originally moved from Valencia I doubt we'd really move for him now, plus Chelsea will have plenty of other options of where to flog him and I don't see him being the type to be awkward if they want to sell him to PSG.
There are plenty players at out club that need to be given time in a position to settle.I'd always back Kagawa to grow into the team if he's given time.Mata for me would be perfect for us to the right or the left of the striker as part of a 4-3-3, or as one of three creative types behing the striker and ahead of two CM in a similar way to how he played at Chelsea in a 4-2-3-1 formation! I have never considered him a nbr 10!
Mata for me falls into the same category as RVP in that if he is available, he is too good NOT to try to buy.
Those saying he won't fit our style - our current style of play isn't exactly pulling up trees. It NEEDS to change. Kagawa has struggled to settle arguably because there are so few in the team who can actually play in the way he wants to play. And people are saying we should just ditch Kagawa? No, the best option is to try to buy more players who CAN play decent football and actually create something, and ditch the deadwood and outdated players like Young and Valencia.
---------Rooney
Mata - Kagawa - Nani
That's a good looking front four. A lot of interchanging, a lot of creativity and frankly a lot of workrate. Throw in Rafael and Coentrao bombing forward providing width and suddenly we may even look like a good team again. There is still central midfield to sort out but meh
-----------------Rooney
---------Mata - Kagawa - Nani
-----------Fellaini - Carrick
Coentrao - Vidic - Evans - Rafael
That's a team i feel far more confident about breaking back into the top 4 with.
Those saying he won't fit our style - our current style of play isn't exactly pulling up trees. It NEEDS to change. Kagawa has struggled to settle arguably because there are so few in the team who can actually play in the way he wants to play. And people are saying we should just ditch Kagawa? No, the best option is to try to buy more players who CAN play decent football and actually create something, and ditch the deadwood and outdated players like Young and Valencia.
---------Rooney
Mata - Kagawa - Nani
That's a good looking front four. A lot of interchanging, a lot of creativity and frankly a lot of workrate. Throw in Rafael and Coentrao bombing forward providing width and suddenly we may even look like a good team again. There is still central midfield to sort out but meh
-----------------Rooney
---------Mata - Kagawa - Nani
-----------Fellaini - Carrick
Coentrao - Vidic - Evans - Rafael
That's a team i feel far more confident about breaking back into the top 4 with.
Didn't the Nani ship sailed? I'm kidding Today, Januzaj is a much more reliable player than Luis. Here I'm not
What makes people think Mata would displace Kagawa? If anything, Mata might be the exact sort of player we need to let Kagawa thrive. He needs other players around him with good movement, and capable of quick, incisive passing. Mata can do that with aplomb.
That said, Chelsea would be mad to sell him to us. I know we're hardly their rivals this season, but we hopefully will be again in seasons going forward, where he could turn into a key player for us. The only way I can see it happen is in some sort of swap deal with Rooney, or at least an agreement that we'll accept a bid from them over a certain amount in the summer (because there's no way we'll sell Rooney mid-season).
That said, Chelsea would be mad to sell him to us. I know we're hardly their rivals this season, but we hopefully will be again in seasons going forward, where he could turn into a key player for us. The only way I can see it happen is in some sort of swap deal with Rooney, or at least an agreement that we'll accept a bid from them over a certain amount in the summer (because there's no way we'll sell Rooney mid-season).
The above would be my first choice lineup, hardly means RVP wouldn't get any gametime. If he plays like he did last season I'm sure we could accommodate him.
The Sundays dangle him again like a carrot and I know, I KNOW, we have no chance of signing him...
That old chestnut! FFS they must have little or nothing else to write about!
Yup. Even Fergie couldn't Jedi mind-trick Jose into letting him join us...
Mourinho effectively confirmed he was offered to us in an exchange deal in the summer.
Didn't Chelsea full on deny there was any truth in that? Maybe it was on but we pulled out because we valued Rooney more or thought the deal was lob sided.
Oh, they'd take that alright. We just have no chance of getting him without Rooney. I certainly wouldn't let Rooney go.
In the summer they did.
Over the last couple of days when talking about Rooney he said "they made it clear in the summer that they wouldn't sell or swap with a rival in the same league". It's bloody obvious that he meant Mata.
He said on Friday that we'd refused to do a straight sell or a swap, he didn't name who they'd offered us but it would suggest that he was talking about Luiz and Mata (especially given how Luiz looks likely to leave at some stage and Mata hasn't been as important to him as the likes of Oscar and Hazard).
Be lovely if Mata wanted to sign for United and pushed for a deal. World peace and an end to famine would be good too. Plus the return of "Are You Being Served"... and Spangles.
IWow, then yes if he said that!! I have seen bits of the Jose interview and I have heard mentioned that he spoke about us wanting to sell Rooney abroad rather than to a domestic rival.Given that Rooney has only a year left on his current deal come summer, I wonder if it may be a goer, especially if Rooney states that Chelsea is his choice of destination away from United!
Mata telling us "I'm free" in a camp Spanish accent would be music to my ears!
Exactly Chelsea can deny it all they want, but Luiz and Mata barely getting a look in this season isnt a coincidence. Mourinho would have been fine letting them go
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