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Scottynaldinho said:
To any Chelsea fan, please tell us why is he rated highly?

He doesn't pass the eye test and I fail to understand what's the hype about him. What is his preferred position? He seem like one of those players that don't have a set position. Where do you think he'll play and why would ETH want him?
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He was Chelsea’s set piece taker. He will take / improve our corners and free kicks.

He also adds legs, energy and pressing.

Proven that he can score goals and assist in the PL.

I’m not fully sold on him either, but I had a look back at Mounts old Instagram photographs and they were filled with Chelsea supporters begging him to sign a new Contract.
 
CM10 said:
I guess the difference is they never sold direct to a rival in those instances. De Bruyne was sold to Wolfsburg, Salah to Roma, Lukaku to Everton. I doubt this Mount transfer will be even half as harmful to them as De Bruyne or Salah have been, but it'll stick in the throat of the Chelsea fans if a homegrown player helps bring success to Man Utd.
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Yeah. They prefer to spend £52m on Nkunku that seems like playing the same position as Mount, instead of giving Mount his wage demand. And Nkunku's is not on peanut either (googled, 190k/wk).

Makes you wonder why they abandon their 2 times POTY.
 
We saw Bruno play RM, LM, CM, CAM.

Bruno didn’t always perform in those positions because he is better centrally.

That’s all Mount is to me - the jack of all trades.

It might not seem like much, but football is just like cards; having a jack of all trades can win you the match by having something the other teams don’t have.
 
Isotope said:
Yeah. They prefer to spend £52m on Nkunku that seems like playing the same position as Mount, instead of giving Mount his wage demand. And Nkunku's is not on peanut either (googled, 190k/wk).

Makes you wonder why they abandon their 2 times POTY.
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I don’t think it does. It’s hard to look at history and draw conclusions when previous decisions were taken under different ownership. In American sports “franchises” trade to rivals all the time. It’s part and parcel of the business. And that is exactly what this is to those American owners, business. Boehly has already demonstrated he does things differently, has a different cultural understanding of football, and in all sincerity, doesn’t seem to know feck all about the game. They sold Mount because it made business sense to sell a player that wasn’t going to sign a new contract. It’s not more complicated than that.

It’s a big win for United.

In terms of valuing a player, this is the same ownership who spent 105m on Enzo, or nearly 100m on Mudryk. It’s also a club that clearly needed to sell, after not qualifying for Europe, and Mount will get them a lot towards FFP as he’s from their academy.
 
simonhch said:
I don’t think it does. It’s hard to look at history and draw conclusions when previous decisions were taken under different ownership. In American sports “franchises” trade to rivals all the time. It’s part and parcel of the business. And that is exactly what this is to those American owners, business. Boehly has already demonstrated he does things differently, has a different cultural understanding of football, and in all sincerity, doesn’t seem to know feck all about the game. They sold Mount because it made business sense to sell a player that wasn’t going to sign a new contract. It’s not more complicated than that.

It’s a big win for United.

In terms of valuing a player, this is the same ownership who spent 105m on Enzo, or nearly 100m on Mudryk. It’s also a club that clearly needed to sell, after not qualifying for Europe, and Mount will get them a lot towards FFP as he’s from their academy.
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Isn't it because Chelsea didn't offer Mount's wage demand, thus he didn't sign a new contract? Hard to believe he rejects any contract offer just because he wants to move to United.
 
erikcred said:
His corners alone are worth 10m.
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Just wait for him to lose that ability at United. Hopefully not.

But we said similar stuff when we signed the likes of Bruno, Eriksen etc. Our set pieces hardly improved if at all.
 
While he can do everything, the position in which Mount will be most useful to the club is in an advanced left sided central midfielder role. I hope that is the way Ten Hag intends to use him.
 
To be fair playing for ETH would be a very attractive proposition to Mount. This upcoming season will be pivotal for ETH as to how much we can trust his eye in player acquisitions, which may result in his position here being untenable.

We've certainly overpaid for some of his key targets but you won't hear too many complaints if we mount a serious title challenge and have a good run in the CL.
 
Dannn411 said:
While he can do everything, the position in which Mount will be most useful to the club is in an advanced left sided central midfielder role. I hope that is the way Ten Hag intends to use him.
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Not really aimed at you, but I love these very, very specific roles that modern day fans say that players need to play in, in order to get the best out of them. Heard this all the time when Pogba was at the club. He needed to be in a very specific position in a midfield three, but you also can't play him there if it had just rained or if he had eaten potatoes for dinner the night before.
 
Superunknown said:
Not really aimed at you, but I love these very, very specific roles that modern day fans say that players need to play in, in order to get the best out of them. Heard this all the time when Pogba was at the club. He needed to be in a very specific position in a midfield three, but you also can't play him there if it had just rained or if he had eaten potatoes for dinner the night before.
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Yea i laughed at that alright. The favourite was that he needs a Kante beside him to get the best out of him.
 
The United said:
Just wait for him to lose that ability at United. Hopefully not.

But we said similar stuff when we signed the likes of Bruno, Eriksen etc. Our set pieces hardly improved if at all.
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Sabitzer and Bruno were both touted as long shot specialists before we got them, now their long range efforts are tame at best, straight at the keeper or over the bar.
 
Bwuk said:
Im not 100% sold on him solely replacing Eriksen.

I wouldn’t be hugely surprised if we see him play off the right like Bruno did at times.
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I’ve got a feeling that we may see Bruno play off the right a bit more this season with Mount playing centrally. Still think much depends upon the forward that we end up signing.
 
Superunknown said:
Not really aimed at you, but I love these very, very specific roles that modern day fans say that players need to play in, in order to get the best out of them. Heard this all the time when Pogba was at the club. He needed to be in a very specific position in a midfield three, but you also can't play him there if it had just rained or if he had eaten potatoes for dinner the night before.
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I get your point, but it's perfectly reasonable to suggest that players perform best in a specific role, or beside a certain profile of player.

For example, Bruno plays better off the right where he can knock his cross field Hollywood balls, Sancho plays best with lots of runners around him, and Rashford likes cutting in from the left rather than playing through the middle or right.

OP is right that Mount would be best if he's not burndened with too much defensive work, and is able to get forward more. And his heatmaps suggest he much prefers playing on the left. Using him otherwise could be detrimental to his performance.

So, looks like a good fit from his perspective I guess. Idk, I'm just rambling really
 
I can see him being someone who can pop up anyway and deliver an amazing throughball or cross for someone to get onto it and score.

And if we had a clinical and proven striker he’d be racking up assists like there’s no tomorrow.

The challenge to get the most out of Mount is finding that said striker. Kane would have been perfect but we’re probably going to have to go for someone like Hojlund who we shouldn’t be expecting to suddenly turn into Ruud van Nistelrooy if he were to join us.
 
Think I'll be excited for this if/when we sign a new keeper and CF. Otherwise Mount will be doing most of his work off the ball chasing De Gea's pray and spray hoofs or him needling passes to Martial's poppadom ankles.
 
The same way posters doubted Eriksen being a CM in a two man midfield and were proven right is how I see things going for the suggested Casemiro Bruno and Mount midfield.

Eriksen served his purpose in a sense as he was a better option overall than Mcfred but it was obvious he wasn't a CM in a pair and it was proven many times last season. In some games he was as big of a liability as Mcfred in his own way but overall was much more of a benefit particularly in home games and easy away games.

I sense too many posters are falling in love with an idea and unwilling to look at downsides and how unbalanced that midfield would be. Citing what City and Arsenal do when we play absolutely nothing like them is what I mean when I say people are blindly falling in love with an idea.

My prediction is in his first year here, Mount will occupy many roles. I can easily see him operating on the wings as much as the midfield positions but long term he's a central attacking midfielder here.
 
El Jefe said:
The same way posters doubted Eriksen being a CM in a two man midfield and were proven right is how I see things going for the suggested Casemiro Bruno and Mount midfield.

Eriksen served his purpose in a sense as he was a better option overall than Mcfred but it was obvious he wasn't a CM in a pair and it was proven many times last season. In some games he was as big of a liability as Mcfred in his own way but overall was much more of a benefit particularly in home games and easy away games.

I sense too many posters are falling in love with an idea and unwilling to look at downsides and how unbalanced that midfield would be. Citing what City and Arsenal do when we play absolutely nothing like them is what I mean when I say people are blindly falling in love with an idea.

My prediction is in his first year here, Mount will occupy many roles. I can easily see him operating on the wings as much as the midfield positions but long term he's a central attacking midfielder here.
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This is pretty much how I feel and I wasn't falling for the Eriksen love in like some were. I think there's always a need for some to praise every player we sign, which I do get obviously. But I just try to call a spade a spade. I reckon after a season of Case, Mount and Bruno we'll be asking for a new CM.

I reckon that we'll need more defensive nous in midfield and somebody that can orchestrate and knit play together. At that point it'll be a shoot out between Bruno and Mount for the more advanced midfield position. If Bruno starts delivering the numbers he's capable of then Mount won't be able to touch him.
 
pocco said:
This is pretty much how I feel and I wasn't falling for the Eriksen love in like some were. I think there's always a need for some to praise every player we sign, which I do get obviously. But I just try to call a spade a spade. I reckon after a season of Case, Mount and Bruno we'll be asking for a new CM.

I reckon that we'll need more defensive nous in midfield and somebody that can orchestrate and knit play together. At that point it'll be a shoot out between Bruno and Mount for the more advanced midfield position. If Bruno starts delivering the numbers he's capable of then Mount won't be able to touch him.
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Agreed that's why I feel a second CM of a more defensive nature is needed this window. Its encouraging we were Rabiot as he fits the mould of a second CM that is more defensive.

I can already see posters after a couple of months complaining that Mount isn't a proper CM despite ignoring all the evidence.

The good thing with Mount is he also reduces the need for Antony being a nailed on starter. Personally I think he's nowhere near good enough and having Mount means we can play either him or Bruno out wide and still have a creative threat centrally with one of them there.
 
Expensive signing with expensive salary, getting gouged again at the market.
The upside is that he's actually a good player with very few apparent weakness with some strengths.
He's intelligent, press well and has good engine to match, can pass and shoot and decent at carrying the ball and technically proficient.
Only his rubbish aerial ability and his unwillingness to take charge and be counted need fixing.
Other than that, he's better than any of United current midfielder (except Casemiro for obvious reason)
Not an inspired signing but it will benefit the team nevertheless.
 
Dannn411 said:
While he can do everything, the position in which Mount will be most useful to the club is in an advanced left sided central midfielder role. I hope that is the way Ten Hag intends to use him.
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The same position as Pogba's favorite? Hope he turns out different from Pogba, though.
 
pocco said:
This is pretty much how I feel and I wasn't falling for the Eriksen love in like some were. I think there's always a need for some to praise every player we sign, which I do get obviously. But I just try to call a spade a spade. I reckon after a season of Case, Mount and Bruno we'll be asking for a new CM.

I reckon that we'll need more defensive nous in midfield and somebody that can orchestrate and knit play together. At that point it'll be a shoot out between Bruno and Mount for the more advanced midfield position. If Bruno starts delivering the numbers he's capable of then Mount won't be able to touch him.
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It's so obvious and easy to predict but in my time here people always defer to the manager's superior knowledge even when he is making a mistake, an expensive mistake at that. Hopefully someone like Hannibal or Kobbie emerges, as a genuine option for the other midfield role during the season and Ten Hag is magnanimous enough to abandon the Case-Bruno-Mount midfield experiment when it inevitably fails and is flexible enough to look for options within the squad.

I am bitterly disappointed that this is the choice we made on whom to spend £60m on and fear that this decision is looking like its going to cost us signing preferred targets in other positions like GK and Striker. If we downgrade massively from DDG, or are forced to keep him because we couldn't afford Onana and then fail to sign Hoijlund over a 20m gap in valuation this signing is going to feel like a kick in the teeth when the likes of City and Liverpool expose this midfield.
 
Honestly if he wasn't a footballer I can see him being that one "spiritual" person with tanned skin and dreadlocks who visits villages near mountains and beaches in remote areas for a soul searching, playing guitar and ukulele.
 
El Jefe said:
The same way posters doubted Eriksen being a CM in a two man midfield and were proven right is how I see things going for the suggested Casemiro Bruno and Mount midfield.

Eriksen served his purpose in a sense as he was a better option overall than Mcfred but it was obvious he wasn't a CM in a pair and it was proven many times last season. In some games he was as big of a liability as Mcfred in his own way but overall was much more of a benefit particularly in home games and easy away games.

I sense too many posters are falling in love with an idea and unwilling to look at downsides and how unbalanced that midfield would be. Citing what City and Arsenal do when we play absolutely nothing like them is what I mean when I say people are blindly falling in love with an idea.

My prediction is in his first year here, Mount will occupy many roles. I can easily see him operating on the wings as much as the midfield positions but long term he's a central attacking midfielder here.
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Arsenal also didn't play like they did in 2022-23 season (in 2021-22 season) and also they didn't play with 2 Attacking mids in 2022-23, didn't stop them from signing Havertz for their midfield position. You need bit if time to adjust and play the system at good level.

Liverpool also didn't play with 2 attacking mids, they used to play with defensive ones, now they have signed 2 attacking mids for good money.

We play similar system with 2 attacking mids, problem was Eriksen's off the ball work. He had no legs and that left too much of a work for rest of the team. The way I see it, it's like for like replacement for Eriksen, player who has good engine.
 
Kaos said:
Think I'll be excited for this if/when we sign a new keeper and CF. Otherwise Mount will be doing most of his work off the ball chasing De Gea's pray and spray hoofs or him needling passes to Martial's poppadom ankles.
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Nah he won’t because DeGea is gone
 
roonster09 said:
Arsenal also didn't play like they did in 2022-23 season (in 2021-22 season) and also they didn't play with 2 Attacking mids in 2022-23, didn't stop them from signing Havertz for their midfield position. You need bit if time to adjust and play the system at good level.

Liverpool also didn't play with 2 attacking mids, they used to play with defensive ones, now they have signed 2 attacking mids for good money.

We play similar system with 2 attacking mids, problem was Eriksen's off the ball work. He had no legs and that left too much of a work for rest of the team. The way I see it, it's like for like replacement for Eriksen, player who has good engine.
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I dont think we play that different to Arsenal either. Defensive RB, French RCB, ball playing south american LCB, Shaw Zinchenko, Bruno Odegaard, Martial Jesus, Saka antny/unamed & after this window, Casemiro Rice, Havertz Mount & even Ramsdale Onana. All the whilst both managers being Peps Eggs.
 
simonhch said:
In American sports “franchises” trade to rivals all the time. It’s part and parcel of the business. And that is exactly what this is to those American owners, business
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That’s because they don’t have a choice, though. NBA, NFL and MLB leagues don’t have any peers. Not domestically nor internationally. Players leaving your NBA team for example will go to a rival, unless they’re not good enough for the NBA. That’s a given. Also the league rules don’t allow sales, only trades.

My point is, the rules means they have to trade players to their rivals. I don’t think transitioning to a different sport and business model (where players are assets that can be bought or sold and where other non-rival teams form abroad can offer similar or better pay packets) is too complex for their brains. They can understand the simple concept of the risk attached to selling good players to your rivals, when you have an option not too.
 
worldinmotion66 said:
I’ve got a feeling that we may see Bruno play off the right a bit more this season with Mount playing centrally. Still think much depends upon the forward that we end up signing.
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We will, imo, set up as 4141 (or 4123) with Mount and Bruno being the middle two players in the MF. Antony will be on the right, surely.
 
roonster09 said:
Arsenal also didn't play like they did in 2022-23 season (in 2021-22 season) and also they didn't play with 2 Attacking mids in 2022-23, didn't stop them from signing Havertz for their midfield position. You need bit if time to adjust and play the system at good level.

Liverpool also didn't play with 2 attacking mids, they used to play with defensive ones, now they have signed 2 attacking mids for good money.

We play similar system with 2 attacking mids, problem was Eriksen's off the ball work. He had no legs and that left too much of a work for rest of the team. The way I see it, it's like for like replacement for Eriksen, player who has good engine.
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What Liverpool and Arsenal do is not something we should care about. Liverpool play in a completely different way to us, for them creativity doesn't come from the midfield. Arsenal could even have signed Havertz as a backup for both Odegaard and Jesus.

What I'm trying to say is, we tried to play Bruno in a hybrid 8/10 position(or in the midfield 3) last season and it didn't work out at all. Bruno struggled to do anything in deeper areas and also his output failed considerably. Same with Eriksen, apart from a few easy games he really struggled playing deeper and was invisible in tough games. We have just signed another player in the same mould to do a similar job. I'm not sure how it's going to work out now. Bruno also has an incredible drive and workrate and he struggled in that deeper role as well.
 
Superunknown said:
Not really aimed at you, but I love these very, very specific roles that modern day fans say that players need to play in, in order to get the best out of them. Heard this all the time when Pogba was at the club. He needed to be in a very specific position in a midfield three, but you also can't play him there if it had just rained or if he had eaten potatoes for dinner the night before.
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Bizarre since he proved to be one of our best players every season up until his last where his body had failed, playing in multiple positions. Deep lying playmaker, cm, lm, rm. Probably the one position he didn’t play very much was am where we would have Lingard or Perreira until we signed Bruno.

The last part was always the narrative that followed him around, he’d have multiple good games and the minute he had a bad game, almost always when the team played poorly also, he’d weirdly become this player who had one good game in five….despite just having five good games previously.

You don’t get picked for around 94% of the games that you are available for over five years and three different managers in multiple different positions if what you’ve said is true. So yeah I agree these things are weirdly put out there.
 
OrcaFat said:
We will, imo, set up as 4141 (or 4123) with Mount and Bruno being the middle two players in the MF. Antony will be on the right, surely.
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Yeah, we have already seen this shape when in possession, there are lot of articles, twitter threads comparing the shape in possession between ManUtd and Ajax. More or less common theme is 5-6 attackers occupying the space and FB supporting midfield.

Now the next step is to be brave on the ball and have composure to retain the possession when pressed, something we should improve to get consistent results. Having a proper CF and GK will be a good start for that.
 
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