Mason Mount | Confirmed

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Champ said:
We could sell Lingard, we just opted not too.

And are you really comparing a bit part squad player at United with Chelsea's player of the season the past two years? Wasn't a brilliant season for him but he was still one of Chelsea's better performers.

There's no logic in that comparison.
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Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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I haven’t noticed any insanity regarding English players. Probably there’s a tendency to underrate some of them, if anything.

Possibly I’m misunderstanding your post. Why would Mount need players to accommodate him?
 
Enigma_87 said:
Tbh Klopps pool at its heyday played with a more defensive minded midfield that would contain the opposition and cut the options for counters considering they played with two high flying fullbacks.

Us on the other hand - we don’t have the high flying fullbacks so two attacking mids that can break the lines make sense. I’m just not sure if Mount quality to pull it off.
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Yeah but they played the same way no matter what the opposition was. Plus they played with one sitting, it was all about energy and counter pressing which our middle three would have as well.
If Ten Hag didn’t think this would work or if he though Mount would be a big asset with this then he wouldn’t sign him
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Damn - I just searched your posts and literally the last ones are about -
  • Mount
  • Sancho
  • Dier
  • Maguire
  • Flick manager
  • Shevchenko
  • Grealish
  • Lukaku
  • Pickford

I think your concentrating a bit on English players a bit more than you realize. Shame, this is an English club, so that itch will always be on the back that you can’t reach and it will always be even with Qatari owners.

Enjoy!
 
Bebestation said:
Damn - I just searched your posts and literally the last ones are about -
  • Mount
  • Sancho
  • Dier
  • Maguire
  • Flick manager
  • Shevchenko
  • Grealish
  • Lukaku
  • Pickford

I think your concentrating a bit on English players a bit more than you realize. Shame, this is an English club, so that itch will always be on the back that you can’t reach and it will always be even with Qatari owners.

Enjoy!
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Shocked Rashford isn't in there.
 
Suv666 said:
I just don’t understand why we would buy an attacking mid and try to play him in a box to box role. Why not buy specialist players for the positions we need? Utterly confused where he would be playing and why did we even buy him
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The usual answers are EtH needs him, Mount can play many positions, Mount gives a 7/10 performance most weeks(this one is the most laughable), Mount is really good at running around so he can be good at recovering the ball etc.
 
Enigma_87 said:
ETH played similar setup in Ajax - Alvarez as holding midfielder and two attacking mids coming through. His fullbacks also had the ability to tuck in and overload the midfield.
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And now we are assuming that the likes of Dalot, AwB and Malacia are good enough to play central midfield for us? I have seen only elite fullbacks having any sort of success in midfield positions. I’m not even sure Shaw has the capability to play there.
 
sullydnl said:
To an extent it's supposed to be unbalanced, because you'll be moving a fullback into midfield to support the DM.

Similarly, Rice/Havertz/Odegaard and Fabinho/Mac Allister/Soboszlai don't strike me as overly balanced midfields either.
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Why compare other clubs? We have watched our team and struggle in midfield for a long time without having proper personnel. Hoping this time it’s going to stick is a big risk IMO.
 
£15 million+5 too much. Chelsea got themselves a great deal

On the positive side, now we can move on to the next target and avoid making the same mistakes...
 
sullydnl said:
We did. We've been playing that exact shape increasingly often in the second half of the season just gone, with Eriksen/Fred pushing high alongside Bruno and a fullback tucking into midfield.

As for it not working in England, it already has as other teams have succesfully set up in that shape.
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And it didn’t work did it?
 
redIndianDevil said:
And now we are assuming that the likes of Dalot, AwB and Malacia are good enough to play central midfield for us? I have seen only elite fullbacks having any sort of success in midfield positions. I’m not even sure Shaw has the capability to play there.
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I didn’t say they will play center mids. They tucked inside when in possession whilst Antony and Tadic peeled wide to open up the defence.

when off the ball they naturally regain position.
 
prateik said:
Poor man's Cleverley.
We need to keep Fred and have the new Anderson-Cleverley partnership
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FFS… Cleverley wouldn’t have displaced Fred or McTominay. Mount is twice the player. Better first touch, better tactical flexibility, better passer, quicker, scores more, has a final ball.

I’m not wetting myself over Mount. But comparing him to Cleverley is just rude.
 
MadDogg said:
I'd say all box-to-box players are #8's, but not all #8's are box-to-box. There's different ways to play that role; for instance we played Eriksen as an #8 this season but he was hardly box-to-box.
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Exactly that an 8 is expected to progress the ball from midfield to final third. Either through passing or ball carrying.

Players that can play in all three thirds are rare in the modern game. Or rare that they’re good enough for top managers to accomodate them doing that in a side. It’s an exhausting role.

It’s the Pogba conundrum. His athleticism and ability saw managers try to play him as an all action 8 but he always looked better as a free ranging 8 or disciplined/hampered 6. He was a square peg in a round hole evetywhere but his first stint at Juve and for France.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Chelsea fans voted for him, so seems weird why they'd say he didn't deserve it, but nevermind :lol: :lol: :wenger:

If you need to justify your position on the matter by hypothetical forward thinking then in the words of Britney, that's your prerogative.

I prefer to stick to what we can look at, and that's recent historical facts.

But yeah, you do you.
 
Anyone who earnestly tries to draw a parallel between Mount and Lingard should donate their body to science so society can better understand the specifics of typing among the braindead
 
Enigma_87 said:
I didn’t say they will play center mids. They tucked inside when in possession whilst Antony and Tadic peeled wide to open up the defence.

when off the ball they naturally regain position.
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Our main problem since SAF and Carrick retired has been linking defence and attack, we are too slow and ponderous in midfield. The reason for this is a lack of proper central midfielder who has this skill, you expect our full backs to do this job? They will play the most obvious and safest pass available to them every time. There is a reason only very few elite fullbacks have played this way, Lahm, Kimmich etc have done this, TAA can do this to some extent(he still is young), but our fullbacks? They don’t have the skill set to do this. They don’t even have the skill set of an attacking full back tbh.
 
Im not 100% sold on him solely replacing Eriksen.

I wouldn’t be hugely surprised if we see him play off the right like Bruno did at times.
 
Always rated him highly and so happy we've got him. Cant believe Chelsea have let him go tbh. So cliche but he is technically very good in the sense that he doesnt have a particular outstanding quality that sticks out, but he can dribble, pass, shoot, decision make and also has alot of energy. I think him and Rashford will be brilliant together. I could be wrong, as I have many times, but I think he'll smash it with us.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Only ever seen this for Pogba, so what's English players have to do with it?
 
cyberman said:
A number 8 isn’t box to box
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You are kind of right but a box to box is a type of 8. Though not the most common which comes back to I believe one of your points.
 
Think with Mount the left side the team is more or less set for the foreseeable future. Martinez, Shaw, Mount and Rashford is a pretty formidable tandem if they can all consistently play at their high levels. Our right side however.... yikes.
 
His versatility is probably his biggest asset. People moaning about not signing him next year "on a free" in 99.9% of these circumstances even want-away players sign a new contract in return for playing time and not being left rotting on the bench
 
Dannn411 said:
Think with Mount the left side the team is more or less set for the foreseeable future. Martinez, Shaw, Mount and Rashford is a pretty formidable tandem if they can all consistently play at their high levels. Our right side however.... yikes.
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Mount is not specifically one sided player. He can float around either left or right side equally effective. If you think his sealing is what he delivered for england then you will be surprised.

I think eth plan to play mount and bruno both attacking 8s,also make sure the wide players hug touch line to give width and effectively stretch play and create space for either mount or bruno to effect score board.

Eth will make sure both mount and bruno are close and allow the game ticking. Press middle block relentless. That should be eth game plan.

I can say this mount easily will out perform szoboszlai of liverpool or havertz of arsenal.
 
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GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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The thing is, England are actually decent atm so there's nothing wrong with us going insane over English players.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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And you underrate him.

opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one.

just yours is a bit messier :)
 
predator said:
The thing is, England are actually decent atm so there's nothing wrong with us going insane over English players.
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There is nothing wrong with going after english players at any time as long as it's for the right price and it has little to do with England being decent. There has always been a fair amount of quality english players, the NT being underwhelming had more to do with how complete the selection of player was which is irrelevant for individual clubs on the transfer market.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Chelsea fans voted for him? How do you explain that?
You’re going out of your way to talk shit about a new signing here
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Even if he didn't deserve it, they still agreed he had a very good season I that year.
 
GifLord said:
Even Chelsea fans know that he didn't deserve the 2nd one :lol:
Look you can overrate, overpraise him all you want but if i hear another - we need players to accomodate Moun in a years time i'm going to pull all my hair out because some of you are absolutely insane when it comes to English players.
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Mount is a good player. Not a world class one but he improves us

Im not sure hes the best use of 55m when we need a keeper and striker. We’ll see how it plays out, but I expect him to be a good player for us
 
JPRouve said:
There is nothing wrong with going after english players at any time as long as it's for the right price and it has little to do with England being decent. There has always been a fair amount of quality english players, the NT being underwhelming had more to do with how complete the selection of player was which is irrelevant for individual clubs on the transfer market.
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It's mad how many great players England had at club level during the golden era. Gerrard, Rooney, Scholes, Lampard, Terry, Cole, Rio, Beckham, Owen, so many more. Yet England were miles away from alot of nations.

Anyway, the caf has a lot of posters who simply do not like english footballers for a multitude of reasons, albeit will support some that play for the english club they support.

I rate Mount highly and hope he does perform for us and England
 
redIndianDevil said:
They wouldn't be at all, they have previous for this. They sold off De Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku(and bought Morata) etc.
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I guess the difference is they never sold direct to a rival in those instances. De Bruyne was sold to Wolfsburg, Salah to Roma, Lukaku to Everton. I doubt this Mount transfer will be even half as harmful to them as De Bruyne or Salah have been, but it'll stick in the throat of the Chelsea fans if a homegrown player helps bring success to Man Utd.
 
To any Chelsea fan, please tell us why is he rated highly?

He doesn't pass the eye test and I fail to understand what's the hype about him. What is his preferred position? He seem like one of those players that don't have a set position. Where do you think he'll play and why would ETH want him?
 
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