He was about to sign a 200k a week contract at Chelsea before the World Cup.
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A reasonable fee compared to paying 47m for Fred, and that was 5 years ago before prices took off.
Yes, he is an English homebaked player. We paid 55 instead of 70 which they started with.
Exactly. Mount would have cost a lot more if he didn’t have 1 year left on his contract.
We just used Fred all wrong. He was one of the best pressing box to box midfielders outside of the major clubs in Europe. We saw which way the game was going but then only Fred pressed alone or we used him as DM. Headless chicken yes but all heart and a serious engine and appetite to compete. I stand by my view that he would have looked amazing in Liverpool or city’s midfield.
Not really, from what I have seen it's always at least two out of of these 3 - Rodri, Gundogan, Stones with KDB in front
They played KDB/ David Silva/Fernandinho as their first choice midfield 3 for the first title under Guardiola.
He is a very good player. We just had some duds as manager who couldn't use him. Ralf was the first guy to use him as a attacking midfielder and he immediately displayed his quality.
Give your head a wobble
I'll be delighted if you play him in the Eriksen role. He's very good defensively as a pressing attacker but positionally in a double 6? Forget it!
Him there is only a viable option in kitchen sink scenarios.
I'm just hoping ETH sees something here that makes him think the team will greatly enhance its tactical performance. The deal seems excessive both in terms of price and wages. Maybe he's the player people were hoping Donny would be.
We definitely do need a backup for Casemiro though. A suspension, injury or general fatigue and we're in the same boat as before.
We definitely do need a backup for Casemiro though. A suspension, injury or general fatigue and we're in the same boat as before.
And that midfield was better name by name, and yet they only won CL and created best team when they changed their midfield setup and started playing more defensive players there.
Circumstances were different. It all came together for them this season, the CL was the weakest it’s been in years so the midfield pairings weren’t the main reason they’ve been so successful this year. They’d have probably won the CL this year with that combo as well.
Agree. I thought we should have gone in for that Lavia. He’s only young and can learn loads of Casemiro and then be ready to take his spot full time once he leaves.
I think this is why PSG never really looked like winning it. The balance was all wrong. Class team on paper but not enough graft guile and steel in there to carry the names up top when the going got tough. Plenty of flair and flash. The best Utd teams used to work their arses off and win battles all over the pitch. That’s why we went off the rails. Too much flash. Too many nice guys.
The max they'd offer him.
So could Eriksen and Bruno..
I’ve said it a few times in this thread but Mount’s technical quality will surprise a lot of your fans.
Ye they could but rarely did.
I’m actually a bit excited about this transfer now and I think he’ll surprise everyone this season. After watching Fred and Mctominay for years. It will be a breath of fresh air to have a technical midfielder.
Our set pieces have been shit for years, can't see Mount changing much in that regard.
Even Alex Telles was one of the finest crossers in Europe, went to shit as soon as he joined.
True. I guess that set piece coach that got brought in is useless. We’re also bad at defending them. I panic every time we concede a corner.
With Mount being signed, I’m wondering what kind of football do we play next season? I hope it’s not like last season, we desperately need to control games from the midfield.
I mean, listen, I didn't want us to pay more than £40m for him. But that's more to do with being in the final year of his contract, and us being strapped for cash with more important positions to reinforce.
You just can't judge a player based on one terrible year in a singularly terrible year for his team. Especially statistically, like your post that I responded to. That's what Rashford is an excellent example of. I'm not saying anyone would or should have offered us £60m for Rashford (although if they had, they'd be laughing after 41G/A in 56 games.) The point is that it wouldn't have been sensible to price him based on a freakishly poor season amidst a terrible club season.
Mount played half as many minutes as previous seasons, in a team that got their worst finish since 93/94. His stats from the season tell us nothing useful about his quality.
He‘s a midfielder with more legs than Eriksen, he will be playing instead of him often. More energy means less gaps which will give us more control.
Probably, also he will be used the same way Fred, Van de Beek and Sabitzer were used: as a high pressing attacking midfielder.
He can also play from the wings.
So basically: who knows.
So you’re just going to ignore the 2 seasons before where he won Chelsea player of the year? Nice.
There are possibly five other reasons why we'd consider selling Mount, the most obvious being that we want to upgrade on him, and if such a player is available.
Clubs that are run well look to buy on the cheap and sell big, after due consideration of the pluses and minuses of selling/buying. The whole notion that you alluded to - "why should we call consider selling our players" - invites mediocrity. Even a legendary player like David De Gea should have been sold four seasons back. What is Mount in comparison?
I don't mean to say that all aging players should be sold, but "selling" should be under consideration depending on the circumstances. Just because a player signs for us, the club shouldn't be his retirement home. Some may retire here, but most of them shouldn't. 3-4 years from now, 250k may not be too ridiculous for most PL teams to afford.
That's why resale value (indirect surrogate of age) is one of the two biggest determinants of player valuations.
One of the worst set play xG in the league. Open play xG we're actually pretty good (2nd by opta measures)
https://theanalyst.com/na/2022/10/premier-league-stats-2022-23/
Fbref doesn't break it down but I'd love to see what the statsbomb model thinks of our open play xG. That's the best model out there.
Eriksen never played as a 6…
No, he doesn't.
I've become much more okay with this signing the more it's been drawn out.
In today's utterly absurd prices, it's alright. I think he'll fit well, I think there are sales we'll need to make, but we've been needing to make sales for erm... A while...
The wages are awful, but that was his offer before Chelsea went batheck and punted every player we know of, they're doing their thing at the moment.
I like it as a signing at face value. Personally I want Hjølund and Verbruggen, but I certainly wish him well for his United career!
In today's utterly absurd prices, it's alright. I think he'll fit well, I think there are sales we'll need to make, but we've been needing to make sales for erm... A while...
The wages are awful, but that was his offer before Chelsea went batheck and punted every player we know of, they're doing their thing at the moment.
I like it as a signing at face value. Personally I want Hjølund and Verbruggen, but I certainly wish him well for his United career!
Yeah he's got 1 year left on his contract.
TBF, Mount is much more of a midfielder than Havertz.
Well you just signed someone who was relegation material as your major signing so..
That was different people
Yup he was more of a floating 8 who drifted whenever he wanted, passed it really well and was a ghost defensively
It's not always the same because Pep changes it all the time but they usually play with one anchor (Rodri, Fernandinho etc.) and two attacking midfielders who push very high (KDB, Gundogan, B.Silva, Foden etc.). Then one or sometime even two of the defenders would move into the midfield to help the anchor.
You may argue that Gundogan is more of a central midfielder. That's true but that guy is great offensively and he is often deployed as an attacking midfielder who regularly makes runs into the box that why he scores a lot.
We're better at set piece defending since he's been brought in.
His passing definitely looks a hell of a lot better than i thought it would be watching that, maybe he can effectively be Eriksen but with more energy.
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