If we kept McTominay and Fred, we’d still only have 1 DM. Neither of those two play that position naturally and both are easily bypassed.
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What makes Caicedo so much better than someone who was a key player in a CL winning team?
Lovely balanced experienced singing at a great age who would have been untransferable the season before last. They would have rejected 80 million. Welcome!
Stupid take, but between City and United who have a better player, Bruno or Bernardo Silva?
Football is a team sport, team sport needs everyone pulling their weight on winning the team trophy. If you are so much inclined to personal accolades then maybe you need a one man sport like golf, tennis or athletics.
Liverpool dominated with Henderson, Gini Wijnaldum not fanfared players but players who delivered when it mattered most.
And by the way, if Jesus wins a league with Arsenal what will Kane have over him? Nothing, just fans arguing on such forums like us, but the genuine accomplishment will be with the player himself and I'm 100% sure you know who will be more happy and content with his career.
One reason why as United we are so behind is this narrative that our players will come out well in the future, by the way, in the team ETH found without his signings only Rashy, Shaw should remain in this team if we want to achieve anything tangible.
And even for Shaw, time is running out especially on his mental collapses when things go bad.
As Ralf said, we need 11 new players. And yes ETH will have 10-11 new players in like 18 months. Give it time you'll see it.
And I'm 100% convinced ETH will deliver the goods because under the radar, with Mount now he will have signed 3 midfielders by himself, add Sabizter on loan if you want that's 4 midfielders.
I've said countless time midfield is our biggest issue.
Yet again our first signing will be a midfielder.. Under the radar ETH has alsoshown that he see's midfield as our biggest problem, now we will have 3 midfielders he has signed himself with estimated cost of around 110m.
Eriksen
Casemiro
Mount
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Sabizter on loan..
He's signed
1 defender - Martinez,
1 winger - Antony
1 Striker - Wout on loan
But 4 midfielders.
We still need another midfielder by the way. A football recycler and ball controller.
As I said in February, a midfield overhaul is paramount and essential, and ETH is proving that as we move forward.
Meaning he knows the symptoms of our problem
He might get the cure of our ailments wrong (by signing a wrong player) but the fact remains by his action and club action they have accepted midfield is our biggest problem with the investment done to date.
It might take a little longer but with midfield overhaul in few windows our play will develop into modern play. All these pseudo players won't be near our club in 18 months.
Happy with signing a youngish technically elegant, hard working midfielder. Good range of passing and underrated dribbler. Will hopefully link up well with rest of the team. And some goals too. Will be hungry to prove himself after last season both for club and country
Martinez and Antony were both unproven in the Prem, whereas Mount was Chelsea’s POTY twice and won the CL with them. Big difference.There’s nowhere near the risk, the pressure will not be as intense (remember all the talk about Martinez being too short?), and Mount won’t have the Maguire curse of wearing the armband. Mount is more of a winner than most in our squad.
Incredibly disappointed that we landed a player the manager wanted. It's obvious that *insert flavour of the month* would suit us much better, and that I definitely know better than the manager which players he needs to execute his vision.
Hope he takes the 19 shirt right off Rapha!
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I agree we need to spend I just think if we’re struggling as much as the media are saying we are then I think the money could’ve been better used elsewhere.
Excited to see what ETH does with him though.. he seems a very well rounded player.
Finally some movement. Now get Onana and a striker, maybe also Caicedo.
How are we signing a striker when we've already spent more than half our reported budget on Mount?
I think you might have been right if we didn’t sign him. Instead he would be unsellable and barely playing in 3-4 years and us fans would be saying ‘why are we so bad at selling players?’.Not sure where this puts this post from 2 years ago
Cause he plays for the hipster team Brighton and isn't English, which apparently means you're shit.
Mount might not be a star, but he will be a solid player who does all the basics well. He'll be high energy and has decent productivity. Look forward to seeing how he fits in.
Yeah because obviously the only problem with these posts is that they aren't wanking Mount off.
Moan, moan, moan. And the time between the first and last ones I've quoted aren't even enough time to play a game of football.
Criticism is fine, hence why I haven't picked up on any of your comments. But the ones where folk are just looking for something to bitch about like always? feck me, mate. It's bloody tragic.
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He's a very good footballer, Happy to have him, he clearly chose us over a number of big clubs who were after him as well. not bad for a lingard regen
Trust in the process!
He's leaps and bounds better than Mctominay, Fred and VDB. So that's something
I would sell Fred and McTominay because they are potentially saleable. Donny likely isn't. And we need to sell if we're to fill needs at other positions. Still with our record for sales I would be happy if we could sell either one honestly.
Casemiro will be the only CDM we have for at least the next 3-4 years. That’s how this club operates.
Yes because we have the manager the calibre of Ole Gunnar Solskjaer…
Honestly some people just love a moan. They’d be criticising Pep wanting Declan Rice if they supported City.
Maybe ask Chelsea?
Because our "reported budget" was made up this year like it has been every year
Far more press resistant, can play as a 6 and an 8, more assured in possession.
This is an awful signing imo. It doesn't suit our tactical needs. We needed either a metronome or a player who can carry the ball.
To be fair, can you blame them? A lot of these posts are underrating Mount quite a bit, but let's be honest: the club's track record when it comes to big signings, transfer fees, and wages isn't great. I can see why a lot of fans would be nervous, especially given our budgetary constraints.
People were told to stop moaning when we signed Weghorst. The fans will support him but the idea we have to be firm in support for every signing just isn't reality.
Many had concerns about Martinez and a couple months later everyone is happy. Ultimately Mount will have to prove himself on the pitch, like every other signing whether he's wanted or not.
Same has gone for managers too, Moyes was not the fans first choice and ETH was the fans first choice.
The negativity angle is overblown on here as it's perfectly normal discourse for a transfer at any club on a forum.
Useless signing, his best position is part of front three, that was where he played in the season Chelsea won the champions league and that's the position we have Rashford, Bruno and Antony plus probably Greenwood aswell.
We needed to improve on Eriksen with somebody who could control the midfield, plus provide us legs and physicality. We have been open all year away from home and having Mount will not solve that, nor he will control or dictate the play, we will continue to lose even more possession with him, Bruno and Casemiro which is something we all had highlighted was a big problem for us and wanted us to rectify.
In addition, he is a worse passer than Eriksen, the only attribute in which he is better is, goal scoring, but even that will also be impacted if he plays further away from goal like Eriksen and not as part of front three.
Funnily enough a lot of people are mentioning his pressing as plus point, we already have Fred for that. Every season you are suppose to improve on the squad but I don't understand the purpose of this signing, except just eating away majority of our budget which is already limited due to FFP.
Lastly I have never been impressed with him, whenever I have watched him or whenever Utd played against Chelsea, I don't ever remember him doing anything of note or somebody that put fear in me. England was also a worse side with him and only played better when he was dropped in World cup.
We needed to improve on Eriksen with somebody who could control the midfield, plus provide us legs and physicality. We have been open all year away from home and having Mount will not solve that, nor he will control or dictate the play, we will continue to lose even more possession with him, Bruno and Casemiro which is something we all had highlighted was a big problem for us and wanted us to rectify.
In addition, he is a worse passer than Eriksen, the only attribute in which he is better is, goal scoring, but even that will also be impacted if he plays further away from goal like Eriksen and not as part of front three.
Funnily enough a lot of people are mentioning his pressing as plus point, we already have Fred for that. Every season you are suppose to improve on the squad but I don't understand the purpose of this signing, except just eating away majority of our budget which is already limited due to FFP.
Lastly I have never been impressed with him, whenever I have watched him or whenever Utd played against Chelsea, I don't ever remember him doing anything of note or somebody that put fear in me. England was also a worse side with him and only played better when he was dropped in World cup.
It is.
That doesn’t make sense when they wanted to spend more on a player who isn’t as proven as Mount
Chelsea aren't going for Caicedo to replace Mount. They are going for him to cover for Fernandez defensively and the thinking is we already have this type of player in Casemiro. We needed a midfielder who would offer more in attack and they picked Mount.
I believe Mason possesses a reasonable level of skill and potential, and it is worth considering that being a young English player often adds value in terms of transfer fees. However, I find it difficult to ignore the recurring trend where this particular club tends to make questionable decisions, resulting in overpaying for transfers and offering exorbitant wages. While he might perform decent I don't know I bloody hope so, but for me ultimately he might end up in the club's extensive list of costly signings that did not fulfill their potential.
Just to add, for ETH's sake I really hope Mason will be feckin world class for us because his recent expensive signing well that one turns out to be a turd. Expensive 90m turd to be exact.
Just to add, for ETH's sake I really hope Mason will be feckin world class for us because his recent expensive signing well that one turns out to be a turd. Expensive 90m turd to be exact.
I know, and that’s the depressing thing, doesn’t mean it’s not true though.
It's fair to call out excessive moaning but one has to call it how he or she sees it .
I firmly back erik and have supported all of his transfer business prior to mount but there's a fine line between supporting the manager and just being a creepy cult like say Rawk tend to be and it's only logical to question how a mostly attack minded player who presumably is going to play in the same area as Bruno Fernandes and who even his most ardent lovers concede is not world class is going to fit into our team and whether he's worth the rather significant fee.
I hope he makes it work, and he probably already has plans of what he wants his midfield to look like but as it stands, it's a risky move.
Would be nice if West Ham could fund our move for Caicedo. Or Arsenal I guess, in a round about way.
Only a few of those posts were even referring to Caicedo, who plays a completely different role than Mount anyway.
The rumor was that because Chelsea didn't need much payment upfront.
That's why the 60 million is a moot point. If it's 10 million years 1, and then 12.5 million the next 4 years, what's the big issue?
Who do you think will replace Mount?
Every team that wins something has players that aren’t stand out players and would look fairly average outside of the system they play in, Mount is no different to that type of player.
Reports this morning were that they wanted £60m up front? That’s a big fecking climb down if true.
The bolded bit is my main concern with this transfer. I like Mount and think he's a much better player than many here are giving him credit for - but I can't help but worry that we're ultimately going to try to pigeonhole him into a role he's not a natural fit for, as we've done with many signings in the past.
Stop your whinging. You have a cheek calling anyone a moan. I don't think it's unreasonable to question £250-£300k a week wages for Mason Mount when we are supposed to be getting our wage structure under control after years of mismanagement.
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