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Mount will add some qualities to our midfield but still think we will struggle with Casemiro missing games.

Ten Hag mad not to add a Midfielder with bit of bite or can break up play.
 
NoPace said:
He does look average on the ball too much, but 60M for a 24 year old England regular is a pretty safe move, and obviously Ten Hag must like his running. Barring a weird Dele Alli style decline, can probably sell him for most of that fee in 3-4 years even if he ends up as say our 4th or 5th midfielder.

It's not the guy I would sign, but I don't think the money is a huge problem unless his wages are insane, though I fear they will be.
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We’ll probably give him 300k+/week making him unsellable. It is what we do best: overpay for average players both in terms of fees and salaries.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Agree. For context we paid 50m for Fred 5-6 years back and Mount is way way better. He’s proven at the highest level and hopefully will offer qualities that suit ETHs vision. I’ve said that we need great passers but if he fits with the mangers ideas 50/55m is fine for a player of his level.
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For context, Fred has been a pretty bad signing.
 
ForeverRed1 said:
I think ETH sees this guy as a FDJ alternative. He is very mouldable, young enough to get even better. He’s good at carrying the ball and got goals and assists in him.

ask absolutely any chelsea fan and they will tell you they are proper gutted to see him go. Chelsea want to keep him (hence the hefty fee) I think he will be a fan favourite.
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There are loads and loads of Chelsea fans who don’t rate him at all and are happy he’s being sold. Mount has probably been one of the most divisive players for us in recent years, certainly when it comes to online discourse. Judging from the reaction on this forum to his potential move to United, I think he’ll end up being equally divisive among your fanbase.
 
Section from a piece in The Athletic on Arsenal's pursuit of Havertz and how he "would slot into their 3-2-5 shape in attack":

That vision re-casts Havertz as a left-sided No 8 afforded the freedom to link play in the final third and join attacks from midfield, arriving late into the penalty area while Oleksandr Zinchenko or Kieran Tierney shift across from left-back into central midfield behind him.
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Essentially what we appear to be intending to do with Mount, both playing as #8s who form part of the 5 in that 3-2-5 shape while a fullback moves centrally.

In theory how do people think a Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield compares to a Rice/Havertz/Odegaard midfield? And I suppose it's also worth asking how well our fullbacks compare to Zinchenko in terms of shifting into midfield?
 
Escobar said:
Overpay for Bruno, overpay for Casemiro, overpay for Martinez…
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We didn't overpay for Bruno. Casemeiro is a world class player and the high fees was just justifiable.

I will give you Martinez. Luckily, it work out for us.
 
flappyjay said:
These type of dumb deals empty our accounts and everyone gets surprised when we can't buy anyone in January when we need to. This is almost double what Liverpool paid for Mac Allister.
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I believe the real Mac Allister fee is worth to up £55m as reported everywhere initially. Because it's Liverpool only the up front base fee is reported.

I take your point though. We do dumb deals by overpaying when purchasing and getting nothing for our players.
 
sullydnl said:
Section from a piece in The Athletic on Arsenal's pursuit of Havertz and how he "would slot into their 3-2-5 shape in attack":



Essentially what we appear to be intending to do with Mount, both playing as #8s who form part of the 5 in that 3-2-5 shape while a fullback moves centrally.

In theory how do people think a Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield compares to a Rice/Havertz/Odegaard midfield? And I suppose it's also worth asking how well our fullbacks compare to Zinchenko in terms of shifting into midfield?
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I think Arteta wanted to sign Mount for this role, same with Klopp. At least going by Athletic report (by David Ornstein), Arteta, Klopp also wanted Mount.
 
£65 million for Mount, a Chelsea squad player. Never change, United.

People still think we can sign 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a goalie this window after blowing over half our transfer budget on Mount, and only gaining 1m in sales. Dreamland.
 
spiriticon said:
£65 million for Mount, a Chelsea squad player. Never change, United.

People still think we can sign 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a goalie this window after blowing over half our transfer budget on Mount, and only gaining 1m in sales. Dreamland.
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Maybe a Chelsea "squad player" has more to do with the manager, and not the player's abilities?

Seems like you're deliberately being ignorant in your post.
 
spiriticon said:
£65 million for Mount, a Chelsea squad player. Never change, United.

People still think we can sign 2 midfielders, 2 strikers and a goalie this window after blowing over half our transfer budget on Mount, and only gaining 1m in sales. Dreamland.
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He is not a squad player
 
zaafi said:
Maybe a Chelsea "squad player" has more to do with the manager, and not the player's abilities?

Seems like you're deliberately being ignorant in your post.
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I don't rate his abilities that highly, and clearly the last couple Chelsea managers before Fat Frank didn't either.

He's good but not that good.
 
We obviously don't have an insight into which other targets we are pursuing but given that it is clear even to a blind man that we need a proven goalscorer I am still wrestling with the idea of us willing to spend £ 50 of our "striker budget" on someone like Mount.

Even if he turns out to be a great signing that has still taken £ 50 million out of our budget for this year
 
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sullydnl said:
Section from a piece in The Athletic on Arsenal's pursuit of Havertz and how he "would slot into their 3-2-5 shape in attack":



Essentially what we appear to be intending to do with Mount, both playing as #8s who form part of the 5 in that 3-2-5 shape while a fullback moves centrally.

In theory how do people think a Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield compares to a Rice/Havertz/Odegaard midfield? And I suppose it's also worth asking how well our fullbacks compare to Zinchenko in terms of shifting into midfield?
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The biggest difference between the 2 set ups imo is Saliba. He is an exceptional one on one defender which allows for just 2 central players, his transition defense is the key to playing so aggressively high with 5 attackers and controlling the game around the opposition box.

Then I'd argue Zinchenko is better centrally while Shaw is the better FB.

Presumably we'd improve our GK and CF situations to a comparable level.
 
zaafi said:
You mean Potter? Look how that turned out. Tuchel rated him highly.
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Well, some rate him and some don't.

Regardless, paying top money for someone who has come off rubbish season is not smart on our part.
 
zaafi said:
I agree we're overpaying. Nothing new for us :nervous:
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Well, this sort of bollocks is exactly why we'll get nowhere near the title or the CL for the foreseeable future. We need to seriously change this black hole of a transfer strategy.

People say we don't spend money. That's not true. We spend a lot of money but on stupid shite like this.
 
spiriticon said:
Well, this sort of bollocks is exactly why we'll get nowhere near the title or the CL for the foreseeable future. We need to seriously change this black hole of a transfer strategy.

People say we don't spend money. That's not true. We spend a lot of money but on stupid shite like this.
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Spot on

One of those many many signings we make where everyone knows it won’t work, United do it anyway, we kind of talk ourselves into thinking they must know better than us and see something we don’t - but it inevitably doesn’t work as we all knew it wouldn’t.

The recruitment has been atrocious. Everyone with sense knows signing Mount would be a shit signing, yet they’ll do it anyway and it won’t work, again, obviously
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Spot on

One of those many many signings we make where everyone knows it won’t work, United do it anyway, we kind of talk ourselves into thinking they must know better than us and see something we don’t - but it inevitably doesn’t work as we all knew it wouldn’t.

The recruitment has been atrocious. Everyone with sense knows signing Mount would be a shit signing, yet they’ll do it anyway and it won’t work, again, obviously
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Exactly my thoughts. I don't have any confidence in this signing working out but want to place my trust in Ten Hag's judgment. The fact that we're also overpaying is just another kick in the nuts.
 
spiriticon said:
Well, this sort of bollocks is exactly why we'll get nowhere near the title or the CL for the foreseeable future. We need to seriously change this black hole of a transfer strategy.

People say we don't spend money. That's not true. We spend a lot of money but on stupid shite like this.
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Sometimes I think we need Klopp and Arteta to come out and say they want Mount just to remind people that Mount is seen as a huge asset. Otherwise we get posts like this.
 
cyberman said:
Sometimes I think we need Klopp and Arteta to come out and say they want Mount just to remind people that Mount is seen as a huge asset. Otherwise we get posts like this.
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Mount is not a star asset by any means. He is useful player but not 65 million useful. 40 million? Sure, maybe. 50 million? Expensive. 60 million and over? your're havin' a laugh.

We'll do this deal, then realise later we have no money to sign a top striker, then sign some 35 year old 2nd rate striker on a 1 year loan, and then everyone wonders why we struggle for top 4 next year.

I only hope that our budget is actually 1000 million and not 100 million. We need that extra zero.
 
spiriticon said:
Well, some rate him and some don't.

Regardless, paying top money for someone who has come off rubbish season is not smart on our part.
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Potter started him pretty much every weej, he was a mainstay for Tuchel, and all of Klopp, ETH and Arteta wanted/wants him, while Poch wants to keep him.

So again, which managers don't rate him?
 
Halftrack said:
Potter started him pretty much every weej, he was a mainstay for Tuchel, and all of Klopp, ETH and Arteta wanted/wants him, while Poch wants to keep him.

So again, which managers don't rate him?
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I don't think Potter started him 'pretty much every week'. He was in and out of the team a lot last year. Chelsea had several managers last year though, so I don't have a clear idea who's dropped him or when.

Either way, he didn't have a good season, so we should be negotiating his price down, not up!
 
If Fergie signed him we’d all be more than ok with it. It’s not an inspiring signing but we aren’t going to fix the whole team/club in a single window. The manager obviously sees an all rounder England international at a good age as a very solid building block for the next few years. I’m cool with that.

I do hope we start taking more chances in the market like Brighton Dortmund etc because we have depth issues in the squad that we shouldn’t have to throw mega money at if we are committed to development. If greenwood doesn’t come back then a highly rated young CB, DM and striker at the very least. Mount is obvious, he’ll hit the ground running. I think we will get him Rabiot, Onana and Rasmus and that’ll be a really solid window. 4 strong talented international players, 3 with heaps of experience. Anything fresh is better than the strikers we have. Even if it takes him a season or two to hit more than 10 in the league it’s still an improvement on Martial and WW.
 
WeePat said:
There are loads and loads of Chelsea fans who don’t rate him at all and are happy he’s being sold. Mount has probably been one of the most divisive players for us in recent years, certainly when it comes to online discourse. Judging from the reaction on this forum to his potential move to United, I think he’ll end up being equally divisive among your fanbase.
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Hmmm interesting. Wonder why ETH loves him so much then.
 
FromTheBench said:
this is a weird signing if there was one.

another van de beek type ot seems.
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Yeah, if VDB was an established PL player with a champions legaue medal having been player of the season for us two years running.
 
I swear down if Mount gets shifted to the wings next year because he isn't as good as Bruno or Eriksen in the middle, and I see Caf posts of "Is he better on the right or the left wing?", I'm gonna flip wild =/
 
Just to correct a misconception I’ve been seeing the last few pages, most Chelsea supporters are fine seeing Mount sold and are pinching themselves at the prospect of getting £60m for a player that wasn’t going to be a nailed on starter this coming season. There isn’t this big desire to hold onto him like some in here are suggesting.

Would Poch and the club like to keep him? Sure. Are the supporters super bothered that he could go? Not really.

Btw, some of the speculation as to how the Mount situation got to a point where he’s leaving the club he supposedly loves is that the Reece James contract and subsequent offer to Mase was “insulting” and soured the trust/relationship with the club. Reece was made one of the clubs highest earners a few months ago on something like £250k or more per week. We then offered Mase something less which didn’t sit well with him.
 
sullydnl said:
In theory how do people think a Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield compares to a Rice/Havertz/Odegaard midfield? And I suppose it's also worth asking how well our fullbacks compare to Zinchenko in terms of shifting into midfield?
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I would choose the Arsenal trio because they're much younger and maybe there's a bit more synergy and diversity amongst their skillset. Mount and Bruno are too similar for my liking. Not that it can't work.

I'm just judging it on paper though. How Arteta sets the team up and the system he implements around the midfield will be more important than the individual players in lineup. The same thing is true of Ten Hag and Casemiro/Mount/Bruno.
 
spiriticon said:
Mount is not a star asset by any means. He is useful player but not 65 million useful. 40 million? Sure, maybe. 50 million? Expensive. 60 million and over? your're havin' a laugh.

We'll do this deal, then realise later we have no money to sign a top striker, then sign some 35 year old 2nd rate striker on a 1 year loan, and then everyone wonders why we struggle for top 4 next year.

I only hope that our budget is actually 1000 million and not 100 million. We need that extra zero.
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nobody said he’s going for 60m, only people saying he’s going for 60m are the people who said he’d go for 80m.
 
Orc said:
Just to correct a misconception I’ve been seeing the last few pages, most Chelsea supporters are fine seeing Mount sold and are pinching themselves at the prospect of getting £60m for a player that wasn’t going to be a nailed on starter this coming season. There isn’t this big desire to hold onto him like some in here are suggesting.

Would Poch and the club like to keep him? Sure. Are the supporters super bothered that he could go? Not really.

Btw, some of the speculation as to how the Mount situation got to a point where he’s leaving the club he supposedly loves is that the Reece James contract and subsequent offer to Mase was “insulting” and soured the trust/relationship with the club. Reece was made one of the clubs highest earners a few months ago on something like £250k or more per week. We then offered Mase something less which didn’t sit well with him.
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I think it was more a case of Mount being offered a contract he was happy with before the WC and then that offer was pulled when he returned from the WC. The difference being his dad was negotiating directly with Boehly before the WC (same as James) but Chelsea had hired two now sporting directors during the WC who decided that contract wasn't good for the club. They offered him a different contract, which he rejected, then they supposedly offered him a one year deal on huge money to give both parties time to resolve the standoff, and he rejected that too. It's been a standoff ever since. The club briefed Boehly himself would sit down with Mount after the season ended but I guess nothing productive came out of that meeting since Mount is still wanting to leave and Chelsea are actively negotiating with United for his sale.

I also don't think it's true to say most Chelsea fans are fine with him being sold. There are loads of us who indeed very bothered that he not only is leaving, but going to a rival club.
 
Orc said:
Just to correct a misconception I’ve been seeing the last few pages, most Chelsea supporters are fine seeing Mount sold and are pinching themselves at the prospect of getting £60m for a player that wasn’t going to be a nailed on starter this coming season. There isn’t this big desire to hold onto him like some in here are suggesting.

Would Poch and the club like to keep him? Sure. Are the supporters super bothered that he could go? Not really.

Btw, some of the speculation as to how the Mount situation got to a point where he’s leaving the club he supposedly loves is that the Reece James contract and subsequent offer to Mase was “insulting” and soured the trust/relationship with the club. Reece was made one of the clubs highest earners a few months ago on something like £250k or more per week. We then offered Mase something less which didn’t sit well with him.
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Apart from you and one other Chelsea fan on caf, I have not seen any Chelsea fan (on caf) who is happy or want Mount sold.
 
sullydnl said:
Section from a piece in The Athletic on Arsenal's pursuit of Havertz and how he "would slot into their 3-2-5 shape in attack":



Essentially what we appear to be intending to do with Mount, both playing as #8s who form part of the 5 in that 3-2-5 shape while a fullback moves centrally.

In theory how do people think a Casemiro/Mount/Bruno midfield compares to a Rice/Havertz/Odegaard midfield? And I suppose it's also worth asking how well our fullbacks compare to Zinchenko in terms of shifting into midfield?
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We would have a better player in each 3 positions than Arsenal. It’s then all about it Havertz can regain his German form from about 4 years ago now to even make it a conversation.
 
spiriticon said:


Let's hope Romano is bullshiting then.
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But he’s not involved in the deal? Again, posters were losing their shit about 80m and 20m has already been knock off that price since.
At no point have we, reportedly, ever come close to Chelsea’s evaluation yet the bid is progressing nicely for us.
 
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