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We need to start paying players via end of year bonuses. 100k annually plus 1k monthly grocery stipend. Then end of year, depending on achievements, 1-15m each
 
Yeah this will happen soon I reckon, too much smoke. Shame its ended up this way out of all the players we're selling Mount is the only one I wanted to stay.
 
Levi1 said:
We need to start paying players via end of year bonuses. 100k annually plus 1k monthly grocery stipend. Then end of year, depending on achievements, 1-15m each
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Yep. Instead we just give players 250k every week for doing nothing.
 
1905 said:
Yeah this will happen soon I reckon, too much smoke. Shame its ended up this way out of all the players we're selling Mount is the only one I wanted to stay.
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Don't worry that £55m plus addons from us can be used to fund a move for Caicedo
 
tjb said:
The summer deals are clearly happening, the difference is, I don't think it's as much as fans would want to anticipate.
I think we are clearly getting at least a striker and a midfielder from both reports and bids. My suspicion is that we are also in for Rabiot and may sign a goalkeeper to replace De Gea - depending on funds we receive from sales. I don't think we are getting a centre back unless something drastic happens, but I don't think it's necessary for now. Varane and Martinez are first choice; Shaw and Lindelof have also proven to be able to deputise. Delaying this until January won't be the worst move. Additionally, from the lack of reports, I don't think we are getting a right back. Dalot's extension, the lack of discussion on AWB and the lack of names being thrown around suggests this won't be happening. My suspicion is that he believes he can train them into what he would like them to become, I think from last season we can see that both can become good right backs for this team if given time to fully adapt despite their weaknesses. Both are young and offer skills in which a lot of their peers do not have. On the flanks, I think we will be bringing back a number of players to compete with Antony ( one which will not be named and Amad), so I think preseason will be very telling in that regard. The major focus will be on a striker and I think due to the size of the potential outlay, its quite clear we are weighing several options and costs. Fans wouldn't like it, but we need to be careful in the market for this role. We don't want a Morata/Lukaku summer. I favor both Goncalo Ramos and Kolo Muani for different purposes, but ETH will have a clear idea of what he wants.

The Mason Mount deal is happening. Some fans may not like it, but its clear the one we are pushing early. He's not coming to be a deep lying playmaker like Eriksen has been, I think he's actually coming to be more of a mezzala, where his pressing, energy and interplay push our team higher up the pitch. Even after a season, I think people are still mistaken on ETH's style. He's not Pep, he has more in common with Klopp. He positions his players like Pep, but the style is more similar with Klopp. Good pressing in midfield leading to quick attacks, with interplay coming from the flanks to create overloads. Gravenbach wasn't as defensive at Ajax as people like to think, he wasn't really a box to box midfielder, but rather a mezzala who liked to interplay with the flanks when attacking. I think Mount fits that description.

I think Mount is also coming in to be an option for us both in midfield and on the flanks. I don't think fans truly appreciate the reason why City have been able to dominate as they have. It's not just quality in depth, but the versatility of the talent they have. Bernardo Silva, Gundogan, Alvarez, Stones and Ake have been able to play a multitude of positions for City, this has allowed them to keep a relatively strong side despite having injuries at certain points. In comparison, United had to use Bruno ( our most impactful player) to cover a number of positions. I don't think ETH wants to do that this season. Eriksen is still in the side, so in games where less energy is needed or we have a lack of wing options, I can see Mount taking up a place on the flanks. The deal helps Bruno both in terms of depth and relieving him of the sole creative burden as Mount is one of the most involved players in attacking situations in the league. Casemiro gets some legs around him, either with Bruno ( who has been deeper for Portugal) or Mount. Whilst Antony and Rashford can be supported more from midfield without relying on combinations with AWB, Dalot or Shaw.
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Yup good post, I agree with everything here.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah they are taking the right piss with £60m,find it hard to believe we can't get someone cheaper
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There’s no doubt that we can, but this is the player ETH and the recruitment team have identified as the one they want, ETH especially seems pretty passionate about it. Could it turn out bad? Potentially, but we should trust that he knows what he wants to do with Mount and that he can get the best out of him
 
A lot of people will be surprised he’s a very good player. One of Chelsea best in the past 2-3 years by a mile.
 
How come last summer Chelsea paid 47m for Sterling with 1yr left but we have to pay 60-65m£?
 
I hope the club doesn't offer anything beyond the second the offer, if Chelsea don't accept then we walk away for real, they sold Kovacic to PL rival for 25+5!!! They will accept the 45+5
 
kaku06 said:
Seconded.
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Thirded. Though i'm sure I've just made that up and it's not a word. The level of disrespect angled at Mount is a disgrace. Chelsea would like to keep him, Ten Hag wants him. But there's people on the caf who know better and would think we're trying to buy a combo of Francis Benalli and Marouane Fellaini.
 
L1nk said:
There’s no doubt that we can, but this is the player ETH and the recruitment team have identified as the one they want, ETH especially seems pretty passionate about it. Could it turn out bad? Potentially, but we should trust that he knows what he wants to do with Mount and that he can get the best out of him
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Pay up and you won't get disappointed. He will be great for you. I am assured of that.

Just look at havertz considered generational talent but didn't do much justification for his hype in non functional team but mount did more than any thing havertz put up in numbers in the same team that havertz played.

Mount a perfect player for eth system. I am not blaming him for not renewing contract. Tuchel sacking forced him to make that decision in my opinion.

You can do worse than Pay well for a pl proven player who can give you at best similar number to Bruno Fernandez.

noelyman said:
Thirded. Though i'm sure I've just made that up and it's not a word. The level of disrespect angled at Mount is a disgrace. Chelsea would like to keep him, Ten Hag wants him. But there's people on the caf who know better and would think we're trying to buy a combo of Francis Benalli and Marouane Fellaini.
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Even against France he created the penalty that Kane missed with perfectly timed run. He has it in him. If he utilised well he can give long years of goals and assists like Lampard did for Chelsea.

Yes it's a bit stretch but Lampard did all with monsters along side him but mount numbers came despite having played alongside havertz, werner and lukaku. Very few capable of that.
 
simonhch said:
It’ll probably be 55 plus 5. Or something like that. It’s a good deal for a player his age and quality.
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Agree. For context we paid 50m for Fred 5-6 years back and Mount is way way better. He’s proven at the highest level and hopefully will offer qualities that suit ETHs vision. I’ve said that we need great passers but if he fits with the mangers ideas 50/55m is fine for a player of his level.
 
Doesn’t he get injured often? I mean he missed the last 7 games of the season. We need players like Bruno that never gets injured and can play 30-40 games a season.
 
I don't get what United are doing. For me, Mount is a second striker, someone who has a decent shot and good positioning. He'd be a good backup to Bruno. Having him playing as a 8 or 7 isn't United standard. For the money, Mount is being quoted i'd expect someone with a lot more skill, who has fans on the the edge of their seats. If United want to go big on an English player, go for Kane. Even for 100 mil., much better value, imo.

Sure, there are people who say trust in Ten Hag. What about Antony, United paid big money and he's nothing more than average. Managers really shouldn't be in charge of transfers, we desperately crave for a sporting director. Van der Sar would be the most important signing. Then get a couple of 10-20 mil. transfers in, there's much better value in the market than Mount.

About 60 mil. for Mount who had a very poor season with just one year left on his contract, you're having a laugh.
 
I think people are really underestimating how good he is. I agree that we should be paying around 50, or 55. But he will improve us.
 
I have seen people comparing Mount's price with Kovacic (in Kovacic thread), I don't think that's really a valid comparison.

IMO Kovacic is a good midfielder but for many known and unknown reasons he didn't play much especially in league games. Highest league starts for him at Chelsea is 23 games.
His league starts -
Chelsea- 17, 16, 21, 23,21
Madrid - 10,19, 8
Inter - 26, 14

His highest league starts in top league is 26 and that was in 2012-13 season.

Just comparing Kovacic and Mount game time at Chelsea, not sure about the reason but it's clear that Mount has played significantly higher mins than Kovacic. Also won their player of their award twice vs one for Kovacic. He was also in CL squad of the season when they won it.

KovacicStartsSubMins% of mins
2018-19
21​
11​
1745​
51.02%​
2019-20
23​
8​
2073​
60.61%​
2020-21
21​
6​
1820​
53.22%​
2021-22
16​
9​
1557​
45.53%​
2022-23
17​
10​
1708​
49.94%​
Total
98​
44​
8903​
52.5%​
MountStartsSubMins% of mins
2018-19
2019-20
32​
5​
2875​
84.06%​
2020-21
32​
4​
2892​
84.56%​
2021-22
27​
5​
2365​
69.15%​
2022-23
20​
4​
1658​
48.48%​
Total
111​
18​
9790​
71.56%​

Apart from this, Mount is a home grown player and just 24 years old, Kovacic is non home grown player and 29 years old also with lot of niggling injuries.

Not talking much about their qualities btw, like I said I don't rate Mount highly as some others do but I'm very open to the idea that I'm missing some of his qualities that others might be seeing including managers like Tuchel, Klopp, Arteta, Poch, EtH and few others. It's just that price comparison between Mount and Kovacic is not like for like comparison.
 
I’ve never been this unexcited over a transfer
Hope he proves me wrong
 
We need to walk away.

I do not even see him as a starter if all current players are in form (Eriksen back to the form he started last season in).

Just inform that we move on to other targets. If Chealsea change their mind the new offer is 40 mill and the closer we get to the end of the window the lover our offer will become.

I do not even see any other clubs trying to get involved. This should be a clear indication that we are about to overpay for an average player again.
 
roonster09 said:
I have seen people comparing Mount's price with Kovacic (in Kovacic thread), I don't think that's really a valid comparison.

IMO Kovacic is a good midfielder but for many known and unknown reasons he didn't play much especially in league games. Highest league starts for him at Chelsea is 23 games.
His league starts -
Chelsea- 17, 16, 21, 23,21
Madrid - 10,19, 8
Inter - 26, 14

His highest league starts in top league is 26 and that was in 2012-13 season.

Just comparing Kovacic and Mount game time at Chelsea, not sure about the reason but it's clear that Mount has played significantly higher mins than Kovacic. Also won their player of their award twice vs one for Kovacic. He was also in CL squad of the season when they won it.

KovacicStartsSubMins% of mins
2018-19
21​
11​
1745​
51.02%​
2019-20
23​
8​
2073​
60.61%​
2020-21
21​
6​
1820​
53.22%​
2021-22
16​
9​
1557​
45.53%​
2022-23
17​
10​
1708​
49.94%​
Total
98​
44​
8903​
52.5%​
MountStartsSubMins% of mins
2018-19
2019-20
32​
5​
2875​
84.06%​
2020-21
32​
4​
2892​
84.56%​
2021-22
27​
5​
2365​
69.15%​
2022-23
20​
4​
1658​
48.48%​
Total
111​
18​
9790​
71.56%​

Apart from this, Mount is a home grown player and just 24 years old, Kovacic is non home grown player and 29 years old also with lot of niggling injuries.

Not talking much about their qualities btw, like I said I don't rate Mount highly as some others do but I'm very open to the idea that I'm missing some of his qualities that others might be seeing including managers like Tuchel, Klopp, Arteta, Poch, EtH and few others. It's just that price comparison between Mount and Kovacic is not like for like comparison.
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The Chelsea fans i know couldn't wait to get rid of Kovacic. About 5 world class games, apart from that a lot of nothing happening with him on the pitch. A bit similar to Willian, world class in the reels, but game after after game not so much.

Pep knows what he's doing, though. Can see him replacing Gundogan, but Kovacic doesn't seem to the standalone midfielder. Kante made Chelsea's midfield, with his demise the struggles came.

United shouldn't be getting either of them. Just not good enough and no wonder Chelsea like to get rid of both of them.
 
Mourinhonista said:
I don't get what United are doing. For me, Mount is a second striker, someone who has a decent shot and good positioning. He'd be a good backup to Bruno. Having him playing as a 8 or 7 isn't United standard. For the money, Mount is being quoted i'd expect someone with a lot more skill, who has fans on the the edge of their seats. If United want to go big on an English player, go for Kane. Even for 100 mil., much better value, imo.

Sure, there are people who say trust in Ten Hag. What about Antony, United paid big money and he's nothing more than average. Managers really shouldn't be in charge of transfers, we desperately crave for a sporting director. Van der Sar would be the most important signing. Then get a couple of 10-20 mil. transfers in, there's much better value in the market than Mount.

About 60 mil. for Mount who had a very poor season with just one year left on his contract, you're having a laugh.
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How do you know how he's going to do there? His skillset indicate he'd do decent, and Ten Hag's plan is to play two attack-oriented midfielders who also work hard and track back and one defensive midfielder. A problem that we had this season, along with a lot of other problems, was lack of goals from our midfielders and only Bruno was able to create chances.

Mount, while not as skilled in possession as Frenkie de Jong, can progress the ball from the back as he's quite press resistant, quick and nimble and he also has decent passing and range of passing. He will also join the attack as he's creative in the final third, while Casemiro will be the holding midfielder.
 
Mourinhonista said:
The Chelsea fans i know couldn't wait to get rid of Kovacic. About 5 world class games, apart from that a lot of nothing happening with him on the pitch. A bit similar to Willian, world class in the reels, but game after after game not so much.

Pep knows what he's doing, though. Can see him replacing Gundogan, but Kovacic doesn't seem to the standalone midfielder. Kante made Chelsea's midfield, with his demise the struggles came.

United shouldn't be getting either of them. Just not good enough and no wonder Chelsea like to get rid of both of them.
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From what I read from Chelsea fans here, they don't want to lose Mount, Chelsea are also not pushing him to leave. It's because of contract situation they don't have any other option.

Mourinhonista said:
I don't get what United are doing. For me, Mount is a second striker, someone who has a decent shot and good positioning. He'd be a good backup to Bruno. Having him playing as a 8 or 7 isn't United standard. For the money, Mount is being quoted i'd expect someone with a lot more skill, who has fans on the the edge of their seats. If United want to go big on an English player, go for Kane. Even for 100 mil., much better value, imo.

Sure, there are people who say trust in Ten Hag. What about Antony, United paid big money and he's nothing more than average. Managers really shouldn't be in charge of transfers, we desperately crave for a sporting director. Van der Sar would be the most important signing. Then get a couple of 10-20 mil. transfers in, there's much better value in the market than Mount.

About 60 mil. for Mount who had a very poor season with just one year left on his contract, you're having a laugh.
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VdS is not sporting director. Overmars was their sporting director.
 
The fact that Chelsea fans I know want to keep Mount and have shirts with his name tells me that we can't be far wrong. I also trust EtH.
 
Deja Vu summer again. Overpaid for Maguire. Overpaid for Sancho. Overpaid for Antony. Hopefully when we overpaid for Mount he can actually make big contribution to the team unlike the above stated.
 
Castia said:
A lot of people will be surprised he’s a very good player. One of Chelsea best in the past 2-3 years by a mile.
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I'm open to be surprised and be completely wrong, as it is I find this transfer extremely underwhelming.

Suv666 said:
I’ve never been this unexcited over a transfer
Hope he proves me wrong
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Same feeling basically.
 
zaafi said:
How do you know how he's going to do there? His skillset indicate he'd do decent, and Ten Hag's plan is to play two attack-oriented midfielders who also work hard and track back and one defensive midfielder. A problem that we had this season, along with a lot of other problems, was lack of goals from our midfielders and only Bruno was able to create chances.

Mount, while not as skilled in possession as Frenkie de Jong, can progress the ball from the back as he's quite press resistant, quick and nimble and he also has decent passing and range of passing. He will also join the attack as he's creative in the final third, while Casemiro will be the holding midfielder.
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It's a game of opinions. I'm just an amateur who watches Premier-League from time to time, so i could easily be in the wrong wrong here.

Personally, i want quality on the ball. I see Mount as a worse version of Frank Lampard and that's not a good thing. In his prime Lampard was obviously a world class player, but as time went by he went back further on the pitch. Lampard was never a class 8 and neither is Mount. Both of them don't know how to make a midfield tick.

Sure, defensively Mount knows how to position himself and knows when to close down the space and so on. But for me that's not what United should be looking for, we should aim to have the ball as much as we can and as i said, i don't see it with Mount.

The difference in quality becomes obvious when someone like Grealish plays in Mount's position.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Deja Vu summer again. Overpaid for Maguire. Overpaid for Sancho. Overpaid for Antony. Hopefully when we overpaid for Mount he can actually make big contribution to the team unlike the above stated.
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It’s infuriating how bad we are in the transfer market. And that is just three examples of our ineptitude.

We need to not have Chelsea take the piss here. £55 million with add one gets this done surely and while that’s too much, let’s not leave it until September and end up offering double that.
 
Precident has been set recently, domestically for players with a single season left on their contract;

Sterling - city to chelsea £47.5m
Kovacevic - chelsea to city £30m

So a £50-55mil bid sounds fair to me. £60-65mil demanded by chelsea seems excessive.
 
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