Not defensively but surely as an attacking player he's an improvement on Fred and better than eriksen at work rate. VDB is frankly useless so let's just say he's a better player overall
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Not defensively but surely as an attacking player he's an improvement on Fred and better than eriksen at work rate. VDB is frankly useless so let's just say he's a better player overall
It was the catchphrase in 2022 as well
Probably gets done at 50+5m add-ons
Its going to be done, Mount's head is probably in Manchester at this stage and it's too advanced for it to collapse. Anything can happen I guess but very credible journos are saying that an agreement will likely be reached.
I understand what Ten Hag is trying to achieve, and I think another 8 is vital to play the way he wants. But Mount would need some serious work to do it at an elite level. I really don't think he's worth it.
I also think this idea we'll shift loads of players to accommodate this fee is complete fantasy. We haven't done it before, so why would we now?
I also think this idea we'll shift loads of players to accommodate this fee is complete fantasy. We haven't done it before, so why would we now?
That's fair and I actually Agree Romano as source has gotten better in general but if I remember correctly he was actually called out for not crediting the original sources earlier so had to change that but now he is certainly more in legit category but he still certainly has the tendency to pretend more ITK than he actually is .
Exactly, we need a midfield that works smarter, not necessarily harder. Upfront is probably where we do need more graft (the only thing that Weghorst brought to the team).
You've got to walk away now, it's over
We are ages off City, I think that's pretty wishful thinking. Indeed City didn't come overnight, so it will take more than one summer on a tight budget with huge holes in the squad. It is a very risky set-up anyway that very few teams use, especially in a league as hard as the PL.
That's every journalist tbh, they pretend to know more than what they really do.
I feel like we should just leave this now, on no planet with a year left is he worth more than 50 million.
55+5 because we always get mugged
Just fecking pay it and hope there WILL be new owners and they have deep pockets.
Just fecking pay it and hope there WILL be new owners and they have deep pockets.
The biggest issue to our control was goalkeeper and CF. We had 0 hold up play ability up top, and had 0 ball playing ability to start. We couldn't play short out of a press not could we bypass the press effectively as both the mid/long passing was shite, and the efforts to get those long balls was shite.
The biggest issue we had in midfield was Eriksen not being able to play more than 45 minutes, or just being way off the pace when against a more intense team, or not having the legs to cover ground in midfield, or when out it was Fred not having the consistency on the ball. We just won't have those issues with Mount.
Yes, we won't be able to slow the game down and calm it down, dominate on the ball in that fashion but that is really the last step and needs a lot more than just 1 CM to be able to do that. Most of our other players aren't capable of playing like that, so it's building the other aspects that can still lead to a really successful team and then also adapting towards that at the same time, but takes much longer. To start, we are building towards a counter pressing side, and hopefully we add a competent CF and a GK who can play out from the back effectively. As that would transform us.
With Eriksen aging and looking slower and being unable to play more than 1 half of football, we needed legs in midfield too without losing what he brings when he can run. Fred is likely off too - and we needed to replace his off the ball work. Mount does both.
It raises our floor significantly, as we had huge drop offs last season when Fred had an off day or when Eriksen got tired (every 2nd half). This gives us roughly the best of what both offer, but in a 24 year old.
Is this true? So many folks saying this on this thread. Who can United get that is “so much more for so much less?” And for how much do you think we can get them?
I'm coming around to this signing personally, after watching some analysis videos of his game. I don't think we should go any higher than the current offer though. Its more than fair.
Let Chelsea sit on it as long as they like and get searching for alternatives in the meantime.
Let Chelsea sit on it as long as they like and get searching for alternatives in the meantime.
This is the caf. Posters will convince themselves of something just for a new transfer.
Who remembers when posters here swore Grealish was a No.8 because he said he preferred it or something. You had people adamant that he'd be Pogba's replacement. Fast forward, he's now playing under Pep who knows CMs better than anyone and he's firmly a wide attacking midfielder just as he was at Villa.
Same thing with Mount, posters trying to push Mount in a position that isn't really beneficial to him or us. As you said if we play him in this attacking 8 system along with Bruno, nothing will change. We'll be great at home and get demolished away vs tougher teams.
We didn't struggle defensively when Fred was in there with casemiro and Bruno... At least not due to defensive work rate or positioning in midfield. Mount doesn't need to be better than Fred at that. Just needs to be pretty close, which he is IMO. He's a huge improvement on the ball on Fred, but similar enough to Eriksen in that (when Eriksen can run).
So this signing should be one that lets us play how we want to in midfield more consistently, and for full matches rather than having the huge drop off when Eriksen tired or compromises one way or the other depending on who played between Eriksen and Fred.
I can follow that line of thinking, but I am very sceptical of how effective that will be trying to compete with Liverpool, Arsenal, City and the other teams in the CL. It will work against a lot of the opposition outside the top 8, but away from home we will continue to get dominated I fear. This seems like a short term solution, and partially because we are spending so much of our budget on a player like Mount.
I also really wonder if this is what Erik Ten Hag presented to Murthough, but it does show that he is able to pragmatic which is good. I do disagree that Mount is close to Eriksen in terms of what they bring on the ball, it is rather different. Mount is better in the final third, Eriksen is more able to influence from deep.
Rubbish signing this, paying 50m for another average player, this Club would never learn.
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Wait till you hear about how Shaw and Dalot/AWB will become inverted fullbacks and help out in midfield when we play Bruno-Mount-Casemiro.
.Thinking we got demolished away vs tougher teams because of midfield balance of the equivalent of Bruno/Fred/casemiro is completely missing what happened in those games. Mental blocks, being useless at playing out from the back and useless at CF was the reason. Not to mention we actually didn't play that midfield in those games. We used Eriksen far more, or casemiro just missed games through injury so McTominay was in (but even so, we weren't getting killed with teams getting in behind our midfield defensively).
Agree with all of this. People are talking like he’s trash. He’s a very good player and we will see the best of him at united. I’m sure of that.
I think it's absolutely insane we're bidding £50m for Mount, absolutely insane. He's a decent player, but he's not shown any consitency and he only has a year left on his contract.
With much less organized pressing.
He hasn't shown any consistency, he just won two player of the year awards in a row.
Realistically we won't seriously challenge for the title next season, we are a few steps away from that. But building towards being an elite counter pressing side is definitely the path for us right now, and it's a team that can challenge for the CL. I don't think it will have us be dominated in big games, I think it helps us loads as we'll be able to deal with the press better right from the back (goalkeeper) and will be able to press far better ourselves (midfield and CF). If anything, those are exactly the games that Mount would help in. It turns them into more even games, less likely for us to be dominated as we'd be able to coordinate a press well and make it harder for the opposition to play while also making it harder for them to press us. Both of those were huge weak points in those big games. We had an uncoordinated press as Eriksen was a bit useless at it (to add to the front 3 that was mostly available being a bit useless at it), and de Gea is hopeless with the ball at his feet (and going long was hopeless as our attack couldn't deal with long balls or hold up the ball).
Looking unlikely this unless they budge. If it was city they’d of got him for 50m. So much hatred for us
It's a bit ridiculous really.Wait till you hear about how Shaw and Dalot/AWB will become inverted fullbacks and help out in midfield when we play Bruno-Mount-Casemiro.
I remember how Arsenal fans were convinced that Draxler would be the new van Persie for them, guess they have another opportunity with Havertz but there is so much wishful thinking.
He’s been incredibly consistent for us for years up until this past one.
Just been reading about his stalking, No wonder he fancies a fresh start somewhere.
Mount is an excellent presser. As is Bruno, he just spent most of the past 2 years covering for Ronaldo and his midfield partner being useless at it. Get a CF who can press and a midfield of Mount/Bruno/casemiro and there is 0 reason why we can't become an extremely effective counter pressing side. Get a goalkeeper like Onana and suddenly we can also play against opposition teams pressing us. Then it's up to Ten Hag to coach us effectively to press as a team, and to play against the press. But it's a very good starting point. All 3 of CF, GK and CM are vital for it though.
We didn't struggle defensively because of Fred, remove Fred from the midfield and replace him with Mount, you are more likely to struggle defensively in midfield. Mount can press but he isn't close to Fred defensively in the 8 role, in terms of tackling and being a Kante level pest.
Tbf he is consistent. But I just don’t see how or why Utd need him.
Yes, I’m not ETH, I know nothing compared to ETH. But I just don’t think Utd should be spending 50m on this transfer.
A top class striker is needed, a top class PL legend striker is available, just pay the money and take Kane.
It’s so much more important than signing Mason Mount.
He is not far off Fred in his off the ball work. There's a reason Southgate has such a hard on for the guy... It's balanced perfectly fine from a defensive POV. Just needs to be coached effectively both in rest defence and in pressing as a team. You can only cover for so many players effectively. Rashford is the only player in our team who we can afford to be a bit of a passenger off the ball. Leave him high to make the run the second there is a mistake and that can be used to our advantage. You can't have multiple of them though, and previously we had Ronaldo, Rashford, Sancho, Eriksen all a bit useless with it. Mount in for Eriksen solves that issue, but we still need the CF and then still need the GK to he able to deal with opposition presses.
Totally agree but in fairness we have Sancho u25 who can't run the length of himself. He needs moved on and money used on another option. Unfortunately the wages has us nailed against the wall when it comes to such things.
I like your optimistic mindset. We need more of that on here.
Mount in for Fred doesn't solve that issue, it makes it worse. Not sure why you've changed it to Eriksen to fit your argument.
Yeah Sancho is a whole other issue unfortunately. 350k per week squad player is what he is for the forseeable future unless we can get 50m for him.
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