It's a midfield with a lot of turnovers, there's a limit to how much their hard work will benefit the team if they're losing the ball as much as they usually do.
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It's a midfield with a lot of turnovers, there's a limit to how much their hard work will benefit the team if they're losing the ball as much as they usually do.
If Mount is the only midfield signing then we're in trouble. If its supplemented with deeper lying mids like Rabiot and Rice/some other DM, then we will be fine. I'd expect ETH to be smart enough to realise the way he now has to play big games away from home after the wallopings he's received last season.
15 million pounds of a difference isnt exactly what I would call a deal getting closer.
There were plenty of good performances with that system, the issue was very clearly fatigue and other players not suiting the system, not having a CF, our goalkeeper being garbage... Eriksen was injured and then when he came back struggled with the pace of things, especially as he tired, but had good spells. Fred had a lot of good games in there and gave us a lot off the ball. It's extremely easy to see Mount coming in to that 3 and just providing something close to Fred's off the ball work while providing something close to Eriksens on the ball work when he isn't gasping for air. And he's only 24. Has a history of showing up in big CL games. Has a great engine on him. And had a very good injury record before this past season.
People are way too down on this, he'll be a very good signing if we get him and will help our play both on and off the ball loads in midfield. Also helps loads with depth. Eriksen can now cover Bruno and Mount, and we should be fresh between the two #8's pretty much always.
Why not just meet in the middle of what they are asking and what we are offering and move on to the next target then?
If he's good enough then he'll be worth it, if he flops then what we are offering now will still be far too much anyway.
If he's good enough then he'll be worth it, if he flops then what we are offering now will still be far too much anyway.
Walk away. Anything more than £40m is too much.
Most of the time we have been involved in these kind of deals, we cave in and pay.
He's ours. Ten Hag is absolutely fixed on him.
We played it but we got battered quite a few times and our away form was terrible. City changed systems to have Stones in the midfield and won the treble. Liverpool learnt a lesson and started playing Trent in midfield. Arsenal play with 2 defensive minded mids. Chelsea do. In fact very few if any teams play 1 DM and 2 8's. It will work. Heck we should batter teams especially at home. But will it work over the course of a season against all teams and systems is yet to be proven.
It's basically a Klopp midfield with extra creativity. I think we'll end up playing more like that than a Guardiola side or Ten Hag's Ajax.
Even gave credit to the guy who broke the story…
He moves the needle loads in our off the ball play.
On the ball we will be chaotic still, but Ten Hag is going towards more of a counter pressing side anyway. Mount is reasonably press resistant, not in a deep playmaker way but does a good job at it as an 8/10. He's more dynamic than Bruno at moving with the ball, and can get across the pitch much better. It gives us a brilliant work rate in there and add a pressing CF and we should see excellent counter pressing. Control, being able to slow down the play will come in time and with other signings. Can't get them all right away, and there are many ways to be successful. Klopp at Liverpool was very successful before he tried to get that playmaker like Thiago in who could slow the play down. It's a very rare breed of player.
It will be fun, that is for sure. Our problem was with Fred, we lacked the quality and consistency on the ball while with Eriksen, we lacked the workrate and ability to play more than 45 minutes with that level of quality. Mount pretty much combines them in a player who can play 90 minutes consistently, so he does provide a lot.
It is time to walk away. We can get so much more for significantly less than what we have offered Chelsea here.
There is no Hatred mate and I don't even think he as a source outside of Obvious Club's Mouthpieces is that bad and not great but Ok .
And just to clarify I don't believe he is doing any thing wrong unless he is directly taking money from his gullible followers for this , I just find it rather amusing and all .
We won't be walking away, this will get done, much to the fury of the caf.
55m + Add-Ons will get it done and we need to get this window moving in the right direction. Pay the money.
Not disagreeing with what you said but if City can do it, we for sure can do it. City's didn't come overnight and it took some time. Isn't Arsenal also going to do the same thing with Havertz /Odegaard and Rice sitting?
We are replacing Eriksen with Mount. For 50m it's a fair deal.
This is happening. There won't be any walking away.
I think 45+5 is more than fair and Chelsea need to sell to meet FFP rules, we just have to sit and wait for Chelsea to accept the offer, Mount is doing his bit by asking his club to accept the proposal.
Not liking this at all. Feels all wrong.
If he's right I sincerely hope that's that. Just repeating myself now but he's a luxury addition compared to our real target areas, and not even that good anyway.
It's impossible to sort out every issue in 1 go. Mount sorts out a lot of issues but yes still leaves us chaotic in our approach play where we go "fast fast fast" rather than having somebody who can slow things down. It is what it is. Those players are very hard to find, and ten hag is picking the counter pressing route ahead of that "calm, dominating football" route to start the build off with which I don't really disagree with, given the other players we have.
For lot of transfers David Ornstein credited Romano for breaking the news first, for Havertz news some Guardian reporter credited Romano was reporting it first.
Yes, he might not have insight for every transfer but he has lot of sources and he isn't club mouthpiece. He usually gets news from agents. Ofcourse he copies news too and he credits the journalists when he does.
£65m
he’s bang average. Chelsea can keep him. I wouldn’t even want him for £45m. This whole saga is ridiculous.This is possible. Rabiot's decision is imminent (few days), and if his choice is United, the club could be in comfortable situation to start making poker moves, like you're suggesting. Chelsea doesn't have too many clubs ready to pay huge amounts for Mount, anyway.
Exactly. A midfield of Bruno Mount Casemiro works in home fixtures, the type of games we didn't have a problem with last season. Our problem lies in the away games, where we need a midfielder with Fred's defensive engine to make up for the lack of technical precision and efficiency in our side and win possession back against opposition that are hard to tackle. We need a second all rounded midfielder that excels defensively next to Casemiro as long as we have Bruno in our midfield, Mount isn't that and doesn't solve our away game dilemma.
I think a lot of people will be very pleasantly surprised by what he will bring to the table, should this deal get done! He's at a great age and we need more u25 players to balance the old guys like Bruno, Eriksen, casemiro, Varane, Lindelof.
I think this is very optimistic, for a team who's biggest problem has been control after finishing probably, I don't think this move brings us much closer to that. Especially with the fees and budget involved. If we had a solid team all around and made such a move, fair play, but there are still so many holes and gaps to fill. With those present, I am quite pessimistic to seeing it work.
£65m
Its a fecking joke. We need to walk away from this deal now. We tried and they just want too much money.
Its funny when we hear briefs that Manutd dont want to be known for overpaying... overpaid for every transfer though.
Malacia was only one we got a good price, other than that we dont get good deals.
£50M + £5M add ons gets this done I think.
Looks like this is happening for sure but for the life of me I cannot understand why ETH wants him this badly. We need a transition midfielder and we are getting an attacking one. Maybe he's a replacement for eriksen but does not have his range of passing.
Best I can think of is that we are getting rid of both Fred and VDB and he's an improvement on both
Best I can think of is that we are getting rid of both Fred and VDB and he's an improvement on both
ETH really wants him, we are not walking away, simple as that. I support him and will wait to see how he will do with us before throwing toys out of pram like many on here. He is not simply "bang average" like many FIFA merchants want to present in here.
Is "walk away" the official Caf summer 2023 catchphrase?
£65m
Same, hard pass.
Agreed. Ornstein says a deal is getting closer so it's just a matter of time.
He's nowhere near an improvement on Fred defensively.
There were many reasons for that. Being useless at playing out from the back or dealing with the press being among the biggest. Also it became a mental block for whatever reason. Also having 0 attackers who knew how to hold up the ball.
Hard to compare teams with Pep and their systems. Liverpool adjusted to push TAA up because Van dijk wasn't what he was, fabinho wasn't what he was, their midfield was dying, etc. They aren't a good example because they worked really well as a counter pressing team when they had energetic midfielders (who could actually run). Of course you have to adjust when players can't cover ground like before. It will happen to us too as Bruno and Casemiro age. Mount is a very good balance for now.
The tactic is definitely to go for a more high pressing, counter pressing system, rather than a control system for next season. We were at our best this past season when we could do that. We need to be able to play out of the back effectively to deal with the press and then be able to press well ourselves. Turning into a dominant and calm team in possession takes time, who knows if we'll get there but you need very specific players to make that work as well, and they really aren't available. Barella, Mount, Mac Allister all provide roughly the same things for how we'd use them and we had links with each of them. It's very clear the direction we're heading in imo.
Mata Matic and Mount. Feels like we’re about to go 0-3 with Chelsea midfielders
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