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hes arguably better. Certainly on the better trajectory at the moment.
Hes not though. Mount had a season of turbulence through no fault of his own.

He was Chelseas player of the season for 2 seasons and is only 24. This idea that he shouldn't be worth more than Mac Alister is knee jerk nonsense.
 
Can someone please explain the thread title to me? We’ve agreed personal terms but not a fee? Why are we even allowed to talk to the player if a fee hasn’t been agreed?

We haven't talked to the player officially. We've obviously talked with the agent and have no problem on the salary. Its what every club does.

Imagine you haggle with another club for 3 months to sign a player, finally settle on a fee, then the player himself asks 5x the amount you were willing to pay. Doesn't make sense to not touch base with the player while the negotiations are ongoing with the club.
 
Hes not though. Mount had a season of turbulence through no fault of his own.

He was Chelseas player of the season for 2 seasons and is only 24. This idea that he shouldn't be worth more than Mac Alister is knee jerk nonsense.

I would place both in the 50m range. Macallister did have a fantastic World Cup, and is press resistant when facing his own goal. I’m not convinced thah a demanding Old trafford is the best place to come to rediscover your form, but having friends in the squad would probably help mount. By all accounts, seems like a very good dressing room fit.

also read that mount is actually a Portsmouth fan, he had just been with the Chelsea academy since a young age so he’s probably not as tied to them as some may think.
 
Hes not though. Mount had a season of turbulence through no fault of his own.

He was Chelseas player of the season for 2 seasons and is only 24. This idea that he shouldn't be worth more than Mac Alister is knee jerk nonsense.
For obvious reasons it's not as exciting signing a player that has had a disappointing and unproductive season compared to one that recently won the World Cup and was part of an exciting team that defied all expectations.
 
Alexis Mac Allister who? Sounds like a Home Alone family member who the parents forget on purpose because he's so useless.

Mount! Mount! Mount!
 
Imagine you haggle with another club for 3 months to sign a player, finally settle on a fee, then the player himself asks 5x the amount you were willing to pay. Doesn't make sense to not touch base with the player while the negotiations are ongoing with the club.

Or worse, you spend 3 months dealing with the club only to find out that the player has no intention of joining you and you have to stupidly panic buy at the end of the transfer window as a result.

In other words, you get a FdJ to United saga.
 
I stand corrected but I think once you are in the last year of your contact you are allowed to talk to other clubs and your club cannot stop you.

You can talk to other clubs in the last 6 months so you are nearly right!

The thread title is just bollocks taken from someone's Twitter.
 
Found myself thinking. In a shitty season for Chelsea, Felix looked preferred to Mount and it can be said both players had an affected season.
Likelier will cost about the same at 70m and wage demands might also be the same.

Why are we going for the lesser player?

I’ve seen people saying ETH might want to use him as a CM but is it not a 70m gamble too far. If we are talking about competition for Bruno, who is the likelier on to push him harder. It be like signing Kane for 100/80m so he can be played in AM.
I don’t mind having Mount in our team but I’d rather screw the competition than bail them out. They are not having an auction either and after their blunders, we are expected to come share the burden of it.
 
Found myself thinking. In a shitty season for Chelsea, Felix looked preferred to Mount and it can be said both players had an affected season.
Likelier will cost about the same at 70m and wage demands might also be the same.

Why are we going for the lesser player?

I’ve seen people saying ETH might want to use him as a CM but is it not a 70m gamble too far. If we are talking about competition for Bruno, who is the likelier on to push him harder. It be like signing Kane for 100/80m so he can be played in AM.
I don’t mind having Mount in our team but I’d rather screw the competition than bail them out. They are not having an auction either and after their blunders, we are expected to come share the burden of it.
Totally different type of players. Mount was injured so he didn't play lot alongside Felix much.

Felix luxury player and eth demands workrate which Felix won't provide you. If you buy Felix you should build team around him.
 
When did Mount suddenly become good on the caf? Before the summer most posts about him would moan that he didn't do much and was overrated.
 
Totally different type of players. Mount was injured so he didn't play lot alongside Felix much.

Felix luxury player and eth demands workrate which Felix won't provide you. If you buy Felix you should build team around him.
I’m not too (bold) sure about that. I remember watching him a lot in Spain and luxury player? Confusing silky and lack of work rate.

They play the same positions, both players are attacking midfielders. Simeone using him as a striker is down to his unique tactics, Greizman was also used in the same way at times.
 
If they want between 60-70m when Bellingham has just moved for 80m they can get fecked.
 
I said it before, when it comes to United, everything seems to be doubled.

I like Mount, and I think he suits the modern day style that ten Hag is moving towards. However, having seen Mac Allister about to finalise his move to Liverpool for 35M, then you're thinking, how is Mount going for so much when he has one year left on his contract?
 
I said it before, when it comes to United, everything seems to be doubled.

I like Mount, and I think he suits the modern day style that ten Hag is moving towards. However, having seen Mac Allister about to finalise his move to Liverpool for 35M, then you're thinking, how is Mount going for so much when he has one year left on his contract?

The answer is that he had a release clause, Mount doesn't. Chelsea are playing hard ball.

We also don't know that it was £35m. One guy said this. Other fairly reputable sources have suggested the actual figure is higher, or will be eventually.
 
LFC paying £35-40m for Mac Allister without Champions League football while we spend the next few weeks haggling over £70-80m for an older and in my opinion, less talented Mason Mount.

Whoever takes over the club this summer, the first thing they need to do is get rid of whoever is dealing with transfers.
 
LFC paying £35-40m for Mac Allister without Champions League football while we spend the next few weeks haggling over £70-80m for an older and in my opinion, less talented Mason Mount.

Whoever takes over the club this summer, the first thing they need to do is get rid of whoever is dealing with transfers.

He isn't older and there hasn't been any indication the club will pay what Chelsea want or even close to it.
 
LFC paying £35-40m for Mac Allister without Champions League football while we spend the next few weeks haggling over £70-80m for an older and in my opinion, less talented Mason Mount.

Whoever takes over the club this summer, the first thing they need to do is get rid of whoever is dealing with transfers.

Assuming that Mount is older because you've heard of him for longer is pretty funny. :lol:
 
LFC paying £35-40m for Mac Allister without Champions League football while we spend the next few weeks haggling over £70-80m for an older and in my opinion, less talented Mason Mount.

Whoever takes over the club this summer, the first thing they need to do is get rid of whoever is dealing with transfers.

He's younger, not older. We're also not going to pay £70-80m for him.

He's more talented than MacAllister and quite comfortably so. This is MacAllister's first good season, and it hasn't even been that great. Winning the WC with Argentina has made people believe he's better than what he is.
 
£30m? Tasty. But a silly number indeed. There would be dozens of interested clubs at that price. To establish what he’s worth you need to find the lowest figure at which there is only one interested buyer.
I think you are under estimating the wages Mount is expecting. Apparently, Chelsea are already offering him more than 150k so I am assuming he is looking closer to 200K. Just like at Chelsea, he wont necessarily be a starter at the other big clubs, so not many clubs would be interested in paying > 30m + those wages for non-starter player.
 
I think you are under estimating the wages Mount is expecting. Apparently, Chelsea are already offering him more than 150k so I am assuming he is looking closer to 200K. Just like at Chelsea, he wont necessarily be a starter at the other big clubs, so not many clubs would be interested in paying > 30m + those wages for non-starter player.
Yeah, someone else raised that and I agreed, because of the wage burden there will not be quite as many takers.

At £30m fee plus £10m a year wages you get a top player for four years for £70m all in. That’s a bargain and there’s a fair few clubs could afford that these days.
 
Yeah, someone else raised that and I agreed, because of the wage burden there will not be quite as many takers.

At £30m fee plus £10m a year wages you get a top player for four years for £70m all in. That’s a bargain and there’s a fair few clubs could afford that these days.
Yeah no doubt there will be a few clubs interested at that price. IMO many clubs wont need him for starting 11 but at price will definitely try to boost their squads.
 
Yeah no doubt there will be a few clubs interested at that price. IMO many clubs wont need him for starting 11 but at price will definitely try to boost their squads.
Yeah. The question is, as that £30m becomes £40m or £50m, at what point do you get down to only one buyer left?
 
I don't think we need him on first half of the season, anyway. Maybe we should just come back on winter window, when his price will be significantly lower. Meanwhile, we can just make agreement directly with Mount.

That's how Bayern usually save lots of transfer fee.
 
I don't think we need him on first half of the season, anyway. Maybe we should just come back on winter window, when his price will be significantly lower. Meanwhile, we can just make agreement directly with Mount.

That's how Bayern usually save lots of transfer fee.
That’s actually not a bad idea, cheeky 15m bid in winter, it’s up to them to take it or let him go for free next summer.

In the meanwhile we could just take Rabiot for free. He will do fine for us in first half of season.
 
That’s actually not a bad idea, cheeky 15m bid in winter, it’s up to them to take it or let him go for free next summer.

In the meanwhile we could just take Rabiot for free. He will do fine for us in first half of season.

Although we're risking that Poch may get him back to his best, and Chelsea offer him whatever wage he demands to stay.

But most likely Poch will be gone by winter.
 
I don't think we need him on first half of the season, anyway. Maybe we should just come back on winter window, when his price will be significantly lower. Meanwhile, we can just make agreement directly with Mount.

That's how Bayern usually save lots of transfer fee.

See that would actually be a good move. Wait until winter and go after another midfielder + Rabiot for about 40m combined. Someone like Lavia or similar.
 
See that would actually be a good move. Wait until winter and go after another midfielder + Rabiot for about 40m combined. Someone like Lavia or similar.

Yeah. 40m now for Rabiot plus another CM is a great business. With a big IF we can get Mount at heavily discounted price this winter.
 
That’s actually not a bad idea, cheeky 15m bid in winter, it’s up to them to take it or let him go for free next summer.

In the meanwhile we could just take Rabiot for free. He will do fine for us in first half of season.
Sounds like a smart move. To smart for our owners though. Leaving Mount for the winter would only be good if we brought in someone now like you said Rabiot.
 

:wenger::wenger::wenger:

Got to dust off my old bingo card, with "Man United Remain Calm while pointlessly pursuing a dead end for much of the transfer window".

Are you calm? I was calm until I read that Man United are calm.
 
As I point out earlier the the way FFP is applied going forward is a whole different ball game from how things have worked in the past .

Just looking at transfer income post 2022 will become even more complex because there will be a requirement to meet a % of income on wages/ amortisation & agents fees.In year one it’s 90%then 80% down to 70%

Whilst of course getting a fee is important from a cash flow perspective selling an academy product in accounting term generates a 100% profit however when it comes to the likes of say Kovacic who cost £40 million over a 5 year deal from an accounting point of view his value has depreciated to £8 million which will be charged in 23/24.
If he is sold for £35 million there would be a profit of £27 million but there remains £8 million that won’t then be charged so the bottom line benefit is indeed £ £35 million

As for which players think it’s going to be like this assuming the amortised values are roughly correct and of course ignore any wage savings and of course me guessing the fees

Player Fee in millions Amortised value as at 30/6. 23/24 Accounting benefit

Mendy. £20 £8 £16 million
Havertz. £60. £30. £45
CHO. £10. 0. £10
RLC. £15 0. £15
Chalobah. £25. 0. £25
Pulisic. £20. £8. £ 20
Ziech. £20. £12. £18
Sarr. £8. £2. £8
Mount. £55. 0. £ 55
Mattesen. £15. 0. £15
Gallagher. £40. 0. £40

Those names are who I expect to leave there will be a couple others who will not be expected.

Just curious, but is there now an incentive for Boehly to say "play Madueke and Gallagher, they'd be good to sell on for accounting purposes?"

I mean you've been hoarding talents for years, who might be able to generate some profits if played, but it's also quite bad if the owner interferes in what is already a terrible mix of players/dressingroom
 
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