Mason Mount | Confirmed

[WeePat]

Reality is Chelsea need to sell before June 30th for FFP compliance and Mount represents 100% profit on the balance sheet whilst only having a year left and is known to have rejected Chelsea’s contract offers.

Yes they have others they can sell but not that help with FFP as much as Mount so whilst they may be stronging it at the moment asking for £70 million the closer it gets to June 30th the more reality will hit Chelsea, no one else is coming in for Mount anywhere near that price and everyone else’s interest in Mount seems to have ended since the reports that he only wants to come to United.

Out of interest what do people believe Chelsea would get for their deadwood and players they’re happy to offload ? I’m guessing one of the keepers so maybe £20 million for either, looks like £30 million from City for Kovacivic, seen £12-£13 million for Loftus-Cheek from Milan then maybe a combined £60 million for Broja, Gallagher and Pulisic so you’re looking at possibly £125 million which I wouldn’t imagine touches the sides for what they need but then if you include Mount at say £40-£50 million then that’s two academy players in Mount and Gallagher that can be put down as 100% profit and say £60-£70 million pure profit which puts a massive dent in FFP.

I think your estimations are incorrect but you’re also wrong about Mount and Gallagher being the only pure profit academy sales. You listed 4 academy players in the list of sales in your post. And we’re not selling Broja, but if we did he would go for more than £20m on his own but he’s still recovering from an ACL injury so he’s not going anywhere. Gallagher would clear £30m but I would suspect closer to £40m. Pulisic will be a low fee of around £15-20m. So I would guess Gallagher and Pulisic would be enough to hit your £60m marker.

I don’t know how much we need to raise but I suspect it won’t be as much as you’re saying here. I’m not an accounting whizz but I’m pretty sure for FFP accounting purposes for this year a £40-50m sale would be fine. We’re not having a fire sale solely because of FFP. We just have too many players and a lot of them got to go.

 

[Lash]

While I'm still not convinced that Mount as an #8 is the profile of player we need, and that we need more of a Kovacic than a Mount, I think this thread needs more videos to get the muppet juices flowing. Here's Mount playing in a CM role :

Forgot he can take corners. Worth it for that alone.

 

[Trex]

While I'm still not convinced that Mount as an #8 is the profile of player we need, and that we need more of a Kovacic than a Mount, I think this thread needs more videos to get the muppet juices flowing. Here's Mount playing in a CM role :

It's a game were the opponent gave up midfield control for defensive security. But you can see his switch of plays and line breaking passes in addition to the driving runs. We also know he's an aggressive presser and very agile. He could make a bigger impact than most will have you believe.

 

[Highfather_24]

But you can see his switch of plays and line breaking passes in addition to the driving runs.

Cant be the only one who spotted the FDJ turn multiple times

 

[WeePat]

I think he's a fantastic player, very excited to see him in a United shirt.

Like has been pointed out - his quiet season with Chelsea and England has somehow made people forget that he was Chelsea's PoTY two seasons in a row before this one, and that he's one of those Bruno-esque players who seem to have an eye for goal contributions irrespective of where they play. In the PL alone, he had 11 G+A in 20/21 and 21 G+A in 21/22. As for where he'll fit in, I trust EtH to know what he's doing.

Someone in this thread described him as a player who doesn’t seem like he gets a decent number of goals and assists but he actually gets a decent number of a goals and assists. I thought it was an apt description. He has many other qualities too of course but I thought that summed up the discussion around Mount in a nutshell. I obviously hope this sale falls through and we get to keep him but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re losing a player I love dearly to our rival.

 

[Trex]

Cant be the only one who spotted the FDJ turn multiple times

I always thought he had more of the skillset of a CM. As a more advanced player he lacks the sharp edges that excites. I always thought England should be playing Rice with two of the likes of Bellingham, Mount, Foden, Madison in front. I think the more defensive approach with Kalvin Philips in midfield and Mount at 10 is a major reason he isn't all that fancied here.

 

[Rajiztar]

Someone in this thread described him as a player who doesn’t seem like he gets a decent number of goals and assists but he actually gets a decent number of a goals and assists. I thought it was an apt description. He has many other qualities too of course but I thought that summed up the discussion around Mount in a nutshell. I obviously hope this sale falls through and we get to keep him but I’ve resigned myself to the fact that we’re losing a player I love dearly to our rival.

I am as same as many of our fans who want him to go for free next season but getting his service one more season and earn cl place next season by doing so he earn us the money what United willing to pay for his service.

Pochettino loves him without a doubt. The type of player most of the managers want in their team.

 

[Varun1]

Burnley want maatsen and bid rejected worth 15mn. Inter wants chalobah and willing to pay more than 20mn. Then there is pulisic and ziyech who combinedly could go for 30 mn. Gallagher still in demand Newcastle/crystal palace wants him we will expect minimum 30 mn-40 mn. Then real and havertz we can expect minimum 50 mn. Still we have cho, broja who can generate decent money if we wanted to sell.

From above with out mount we can get 150 mn and further 50 mn as you mentioned 200 mn more than enough to keep us safe from ffp thing.

We are not that desperate for money from mount sale alone. So why we want top dollar from you. Pay up get his services. Sure he will be one of your best players at the end of the next season.

Agree with you, I also feel Chelsea will want more from United especially. Chelsea probably see United as a direct rival whereas City are a step above, and historically, City will just move on to other targets whereas United are mugs.

 

[cyberman]

Burnley want maatsen and bid rejected worth 15mn. Inter wants chalobah and willing to pay more than 20mn. Then there is pulisic and ziyech who combinedly could go for 30 mn. Gallagher still in demand Newcastle/crystal palace wants him we will expect minimum 30 mn-40 mn. Then real and havertz we can expect minimum 50 mn. Still we have cho, broja who can generate decent money if we wanted to sell.

From above with out mount we can get 150 mn and further 50 mn as you mentioned 200 mn more than enough to keep us safe from ffp thing.

We are not that desperate for money from mount sale alone. So why we want top dollar from you. Pay up get his services. Sure he will be one of your best players at the end of the next season.

I thought that’s not how ffp works? Mount needs to be sold because it’s pure profit?
You can want top dollar all you like, ffp doesn’t change the fact he has one year left. What happens next year with ffp when Mount leaves on a free?

 

[Idxomer]

It's a game were the opponent gave up midfield control for defensive security. But you can see his switch of plays and line breaking passes in addition to the driving runs. We also know he's an aggressive presser and very agile. He could make a bigger impact than most will have you believe.

It looks like the typical Eriksen performance against weak opposition but with more defensive work.

 

[saivet]

I always thought he had more of the skillset of a CM. As a more advanced player he lacks the sharp edges that excites. I always thought England should be playing Rice with two of the likes of Bellingham, Mount, Foden, Madison in front. I think the more defensive approach with Kalvin Philips in midfield and Mount at 10 is a major reason he isn't all that fancied here.

Southgate has tried that a few times to be fair but the midfield has then been quite open and we've looked quite shaky defensively, particularly in transition. England vs USA, was a Rice, Bellingham and Mount in a midfield trio at the WC and I think they had problems as a midfield unit defensively.

I would also argue that for England Mount has largely played as a no.8, rather than as a 10 - he's just given more attacking freedom and less defensive responsibilities than the other no.8, which has typically been either Henderson or Phillips. I think that's been a reason why Southgate hasn't played Foden or Maddison centrally as he views them as more traditional no.10s, where as Mount is more of a hybrid.

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

I thought that’s not how ffp works? Mount needs to be sold because it’s pure profit?
You can want top dollar all you like, ffp doesn’t change the fact he has one year left. What happens next year with ffp when Mount leaves on a free?

Nothing happens with FFP should he leave on a free - he's just off the books.

When a player is sold, the remainder of the amortised transfer fee still outstanding is subtracted from whatever outgoing transfer fee is received, and that number plus their annual wage equates to the positive book value of that player for that financial year. Mount, Chalobah, and Gallagher all have no incoming transfer fee given they are academy players - this is why people say that their transfer fee is "pure profit", which is an oversimplification.

So yes - Chelsea will be motivated to sell Mount this year rather than lose him on a free, but at the same time that doesn't necessarily account for a breakthrough in negotiations, the team potentially being worse, etc. This isn't a situation where Chelsea have no alternatives.

 

[Trex]

It looks like the typical Eriksen performance against weak opposition but with more defensive work.

Except the penetrative runs on the ball. It actually one quality we lack in midfield. So that's two points in his favour.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

£50m at the absolute most. If Chelsea demand more than that we should tell them to go feck themselves and sign Mount on a free next summer instead.

 

[cyberman]

Nothing happens with FFP should he leave on a free - he's just off the books.

When a player is sold, the remainder of the amortised transfer fee still outstanding is subtracted from whatever outgoing transfer fee is received, and that number plus their annual wage equates to the positive book value of that player for that financial year. Mount, Chalobah, and Gallagher all have no incoming transfer fee given they are academy players - this is why people say that their transfer fee is "pure profit", which is an oversimplification.

So yes - Chelsea will be motivated to sell Mount this year rather than lose him on a free, but at the same time that doesn't necessarily account for a breakthrough in negotiations, the team potentially being worse, etc. This isn't a situation where Chelsea have no alternatives.

But what I’m saying is his fee wouldn’t be there to offset any more problems next summer (if no CL again)
You’re basically going to spend what you sell this summer anyway, ffp doesn’t slow down or go away.
Mount will leave for around 50m and no more imo.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I think he and Rashford would combine really well

 

[Rajiztar]

I thought that’s not how ffp works? Mount needs to be sold because it’s pure profit?
You can want top dollar all you like, ffp doesn’t change the fact he has one year left. What happens next year with ffp when Mount leaves on a free?

Ffp can work for us in many ways if he stays for one more season and get us cl account wise we get more money than 70 mn we wanted. He is not some random home grown player mate. Two times he got poty for us played integral to getting us into cl and won it once too. Who knows if he stays and team gel well he might change his mind and could extend his contract too.

It's your management choice it's either now or may never get him.

 

[Yagami]

Cant be the only one who spotted the FDJ turn multiple times

That's the first thing I noticed. I always respect your posts on football but how much did that video impress you? That video didn't really change my mind despite showing a move I love. It was labelled as an amazing game by the uploader and, if that's one of his better ones, it's not that promising to me. I sorta get the same feeling as @Idxomer except Eriksen lacks the agility to pull those turns off.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

£70m? Chelsea can feck right off.

How about we just pay an extra £10m and sign Caicedo instead? We get a far better player plus we feck Chelsea over for messing us about.

 

[Trex]

That's the first thing I noticed. I always respect your posts on football but how much did that video impress you? That video didn't really change my mind despite showing a move I love. It was labelled as an amazing game by the uploader and, if that's one of his better ones, it's not that promising to me. I sorta get the same feeling as @Idxomer except Eriksen lacks the agility to pull those turns off.

I'm curious to know what else you'll want from a cm in this game scenario.

 

[cyberman]

Ffp can work for us in many ways if he stays for one more season and get us cl account wise we get more money than 70 mn we wanted. He is not some random home grown player mate. Two times he got poty for us played integral to getting us into cl and won it once too. Who knows if he stays and team gel well he might change his mind and could extend his contract too.

It's your management choice it's either now or may never get him.

Im not saying he’s some random home grown player though?
I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be in a good position to sign him next year as this? What will change? It’s not as if we have a free run at him, he wants to join us over other top clubs.
First of all I don’t believe a word of this 80m nonsense. If it were true we would have walked away by now. Second of all you do not hold the cards. It’s a buyers market.
I can see why you’re trying to create urgency here but it’s simply not a factor.
We’re going to sell x, y and Z instead.
Let’s just see if you can sell them first. I can’t imagine this hard line act will stand up at all when you have to sell and everybody knows it. Let’s see who offers 30m for Gallagher etc.

 

[Yagami]

I'm curious to know what else you'll want from a cm in this game scenario.

Well, if we're going to pay what it needs to take, which will be, what, around £50m, and give him hundreds of thousands of pounds a week, I don't expect passes that are constantly weighted poorly. I also don't expect a game as average as that where only the bare minimum was done to be labelled as "amazing" either as it tells me that his standard is pretty low to begin with.

After seeing that video, I've be on YouTube looking at some of his other performances and not been blown away once. There's concerns over his passing (which our midfield already struggles with as Bruno and Casemiro aren't the most consistent in that regard either) and this video I came across highlights that:

 

[CantonaManc]

If Chelsea don't want to negotiate the £70m price tag they can feck off!

Buy Caicedo for £80m.
Make a deal with Atletico Madrid for Joao Felix for 1 year Ioan + option to buy for games played and GA.
+ Maybe sign Rabiot on free .

 

[TheMagicFoolBus]

But what I’m saying is his fee wouldn’t be there to offset any more problems next summer (if no CL again)
You’re basically going to spend what you sell this summer anyway, ffp doesn’t slow down or go away.
Mount will leave for around 50m and no more imo.

Ah I see. Yes, you are correct that Chelsea are incentivised to sell rather than let him go for free - but my point is that those aren't the only two possible outcomes.

 

[Trex]

Well, if we're going to pay what it needs to take, which will be, what, around £50m, and give him hundreds of thousands of pounds a week, I don't expect passes that are constantly weighted poorly. I also don't expect a game as average as that where only the bare minimum was done to be labelled as "amazing" either as it tells me that his standard is pretty low to begin with.

After seeing that video, I've be on YouTube looking at some of his other performances and not been blown away once. There's concerns over his passing (which our midfield already struggles with as Bruno and Casemiro aren't the most consistent in that regard either) and this video I came across highlights that:

The video highlighted instances where he didn't complete the final ball across many games. I'm sure you'll find or possibly create a similar compilation of De bruyne, Odegaard, Bruno. I'll be more worried if he was getting robbed off the ball the ball in deeper areas or misplacing the basic give and go's.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Well, if we're going to pay what it needs to take, which will be, what, around £50m, and give him hundreds of thousands of pounds a week, I don't expect passes that are constantly weighted poorly. I also don't expect a game as average as that where only the bare minimum was done to be labelled as "amazing" either as it tells me that his standard is pretty low to begin with.

After seeing that video, I've be on YouTube looking at some of his other performances and not been blown away once. There's concerns over his passing (which our midfield already struggles with as Bruno and Casemiro aren't the most consistent in that regard either) and this video I came across highlights that:

That is a brutal video

To be fair, you can make compilations like that for even better players too. You can make a compilation of some shocking De Bruyne passes.

People just don't do it.

 

[Rajiztar]

Im not saying he’s some random home grown player though?
I don’t understand why we wouldn’t be in a good position to sign him next year as this? What will change? It’s not as if we have a free run at him, he wants to join us over other top clubs.
First of all I don’t believe a word of this 80m nonsense. If it were true we would have walked away by now. Second of all you do not hold the cards. It’s a buyers market.
I can see why you’re trying to create urgency here but it’s simply not a factor.
We’re going to sell x, y and Z instead.
Let’s just see if you can sell them first. I can’t imagine this hard line act will stand up at all when you have to sell and everybody knows it. Let’s see who offers 30m for Gallagher etc.

Yes we are not in strong position so why we are willing to even talk about mount departure. But then also we are not desperate for him to go. Our manager wants him to stay. So getting one more year of his service from him and allow him for free not a bad thing for us.

He is also type of player pochettino likes. He is our only experienced Chelsea player in attack at the start of the season if he stays with us. So why we are playing hard ball.

Gallagher i know many mid table teams already enquired about his service including villa,Fulham,palace and Newcastle too. We didn't encourage them yet otherwise bidding war already started for him. Maatsen bid rejected by us already. Chalobah wanted by inter. Ruben in talks with Milan.

Then kovacic,pulisic,ziyech and havertz also in market. You can't play hardball with us if you genuinely want him in this window. That's all I can say. You can sign whoever you want for more money or lesser money but not him. We love him to stay which is not bad for us in my opinion as some on here try to spin and ffp not at all problem for us.

 

[Yagami]

The video highlighted instances where he didn't complete the final ball across many games. I'm sure you'll find or possibly create a similar compilation of De bruyne, Odegaard, Bruno. I'll be more worried if he was getting robbed off the ball the ball in deeper areas or misplacing the basic give and go's.

That's another thing, though. He isn't the player for Chelsea or England who receives the ball deep from the CBs and that's the type of midfielder we need.

So we're either buying him to play further forwards where his poor final ball will be a problem, and he isn't as good as Bruno there anyway, or we're buying him to play in a role he's never played before which is to be the CM who drops deep to advance our play, and, from everything I've seen of him, he doesn't have the qualities for that role.

That is a brutal video

To be fair, you can make compilations like that for even better players too. You can make a compilation of some shocking De Bruyne passes.

People just don't do it.

Very true, but, with the elite ones who make errors themselves, you can still count on them pulling off some magic. Bruno, who's a big offender and isn't elite himself, has shown this so many times, but I don't think Mount is even on his level. Definitely not as a playmaker.

Mount may grab a goal or get an assist, but I've never seen a game of his from a playmaking pov where he's just consistently opened a team up.

 

[Trex]

Mount is a UCL winning player who was also the Chelsea player of the year two years in a roll including in the UCL winning season. He got double figures in both goals and assist as recent as 21/22 season. He's one of the first name on the team sheet for every single manager he's played for in his career. And he's only 24. The debate I feel should be more on his profile and if he is the right fit for the team and not his level as a player. ETH fancies him to improve us so personally I will trust his judgement.

 

[Trex]

That's another thing, though. He isn't the player for Chelsea or England who receives the ball deep from the CBs and that's the type of midfielder we need.

So we're either buying him to play further forwards where his poor final ball will be a problem, and he isn't as good as Bruno there anyway, or we're buying him to play in a role he's never played before which is to be the CM who drops deep to advance our play, and, from everything I've seen of him, he doesn't have the qualities for that role.

Except the initial video is of a game were he was getting on the ball deeper in midfield and progressing it forward.

 

[Jacob]

Mount is a UCL winning player who was also the Chelsea player of the year two years in a roll including in the UCL winning season. He got double figures in both goals and assist as recent as 21/22 season. He's one of the first name on the team sheet for every single manager he's played for in his career. And he's only 24. The debate I feel should be more on his profile and if he is the right fit for the team and not his level as a player. ETH fancies him to improve us so personally I will trust his judgement.

Well said.

 

[Highfather_24]

That's the first thing I noticed. I always respect your posts on football but how much did that video impress you? That video didn't really change my mind despite showing a move I love. It was labelled as an amazing game by the uploader and, if that's one of his better ones, it's not that promising to me. I sorta get the same feeling as @Idxomer except Eriksen lacks the agility to pull those turns off.

Yep, same here, and I have alluded to this before also.

Not going for someone like McAllister/Kovacic who are so much better on the ball, is rather confusing.

What we have struggled this season is with buildup play in midfield whenever Eriksen doesnt play. We can play out of a press. Mount/Rabiot will not help with that.

Underwhelming.

None of our midfielders have a passing success rate over 85. That is a problem. Neither Rabiot or Mount are particularly high volume or high accuracy passers.

I'm just baffled that of all the #8s in the PL and the world ETH can get, he chose Mason Mount. To go from FdJ to Mount is disappointing.

 

[WeePat]

I am as same as many of our fans who want him to go for free next season but getting his service one more season and earn cl place next season by doing so he earn us the money what United willing to pay for his service.

Pochettino loves him without a doubt. The type of player most of the managers want in their team.

I think if Chelsea are given another 12 months to resolve this contractual standoff, he ends up signing a long term extension. I said a couple of months ago before Potter was sacked and the fanbase was in tatters and really not happy with the ownership, that a couple of really easy wins for them would be to secure the contract renewals of Mount and Colwill. They have managed neither so far but they're at least standing firm on Colwill. They have made a complete mess of the situation with Mount.

 

[Yagami]

Except the initial video is of a game were he was getting on the ball deeper in midfield and progressing it forward.

How rare is that, though? One game is a small sample to go off, and, in said sample, it's very underwhelming. To pay what we'll have to, you'd think we'd be buying a player to play in their actual position. It's a big gamble.

Yep, same here, and I have alluded to this before also.





I'm just baffled that of all the #8s in the PL and the world ETH can get, he chose Mason Mount. To go from FdJ to Mount is disappointing.

I'm with you. There are players out there more suited for the role that, one, wouldn't take an absurd amount of money to buy, and, two, would bring in the qualities our midfield is lacking like composure under pressure that Mount will not.

I'm not talking established names like Kovacic and Mac Allister either. Players of this ilk aren't as rare as people think. We just actually have to use our scouts.

 

[GaryLifo]

It's a game were the opponent gave up midfield control for defensive security. But you can see his switch of plays and line breaking passes in addition to the driving runs. We also know he's an aggressive presser and very agile. He could make a bigger impact than most will have you believe.

His speed of picking his passes is what stood out to me in the video. One thing I've long found frustrating when we win the ball back and counter is the time it takes for the first pass to be made. So often there is a 3-4 second delay and the opposition get back into position or close down the player on the ball before he passes it.

 

[Trex]

How rare is that, though? One game is a small sample to go off, and, in said sample, it's very underwhelming. To pay what we'll have to, you'd think we'd be buying a player to play in their actual position. It's a big gamble.


I'm with you. There are players out there more suited for the role that, one, wouldn't take an absurd amount of money to buy, and, two, would bring in the qualities our midfield is lacking like composure under pressure that Mount will not.

I'm not talking established names like Kovacic and Mac Allister either. Players of this ilk aren't as rare as people think. We just actually have to use our scouts.

I guess were we'll disagree is your assessment that he was poor in that video. We'll have to wait and see if/when he arrives.

 

[Big Ray]

Mount is a UCL winning player who was also the Chelsea player of the year two years in a roll including in the UCL winning season. He got double figures in both goals and assist as recent as 21/22 season. He's one of the first name on the team sheet for every single manager he's played for in his career. And he's only 24. The debate I feel should be more on his profile and if he is the right fit for the team and not his level as a player. ETH fancies him to improve us so personally I will trust his judgement.

Fans player or players player?

 

[Trex]

His speed of picking his passes is what stood out to me in the video. One thing I've long found frustrating when we win the ball back and counter is the time it takes for the first pass to be made. So often there is a 3-4 second delay and the opposition get back into position or close down the player on the ball before he passes it.

Yea such quick passing is the difference between Martinez and Maguire in possession. Its crucial in the build up phase.

 

[flappyjay]

His speed of picking his passes is what stood out to me in the video. One thing I've long found frustrating when we win the ball back and counter is the time it takes for the first pass to be made. So often there is a 3-4 second delay and the opposition get back into position or close down the player on the ball before he passes it.

You should watch him more often boy loves holding on to the the ball. That video doesn't show the full picture.

 

[Trex]

Fans player or players player?

The equivalent of the sir Matts Busby award.