Dont think it will be Maguire/Awb all over again. In their case , they were on long contracts and we were desperate. As much as Chelsea trying to play hard ball, they know he won’t sign new contract and can go free next year. Also not many clubs seem to be interested in signing as well.
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This is pretty much how I feel. Some people saying he's a £70m player if he had 4 years left on his contract. Cloud cuckoo land.
feck that, time to move on expeditiously if that's the case
They basically have to sell by the end of the month so I think they'll cave. 1 year left, they need the sale and nobody will offer them over 50m.
Don’t forget he’s English though. You always get fleeced for English players. Ridiculous how there always overpriced.
Feck off Boehly.
Exactly. We should play the waiting game and lets force them to cave. They have to sell players in order to buy new ones so we should take advantage of their situation.
what makes them have to? Is it an FFP thing or what’s with the 1 month thing?
Ask for 70, get 50 for a player who isn't worth more than 30. We're quite easy to manipulate in this market even for dumbf*cks like Chelsea.
June 30 is a season accounts closing period. If they sell this month, they can book the sale amount within 22-23 season accounts and stay within regulations. Given how wildly they spent, they need income to be compliant with FFP. Exact numbers are not known but any sale, particularly a home grown player like Mount who's entire fee would be a profit, would help them massively.
£30m? Tasty. But a silly number indeed. There would be dozens of interested clubs at that price. To establish what he’s worth you need to find the lowest figure at which there is only one interested buyer.
I'll tell you my frame of reference. Assuming Rashford doesn't extend his contract and we want to sell him, what to do you think we'll get? 70, maybe 80? Now compare him with what is being asked for Mount.
Paying 50 million for Mount right now will be quite stupid when you can just agree terms and get him on a free next season. I'm quite sure he wouldn't have a 50 million for one season sort of an impact. Liverpool are buying a WC winning midfielder who's just come off an outstanding season for less than 45 million. We have to learn when to walk away otherwise every club will keep on stiffing us.
They also all went out on loan after being signed, Do you want us to only sign 4 or 5 players this summer and then send them all out on loan?
Scouts at a club this size are mainly for the likes of Amad and Garnacho, players that are 20 and under that can break into the first team in a year or two (which is what all of those Brighton players did).
Outstanding season? His unreal amount of 2 assists and 4 non-penalty goals in almost 3000 minutes disagree.
How much less than 45 million?
There's no way we are overpaying for his signature, if we do he'll be hated quickly here, more than half the fan base don't want him signed.
He'll be seen as the problem of the club when things go tits up.
He'll be seen as the problem of the club when things go tits up.
Unless he performs really well which of course many have ruled out it seems.
Not sure what the argument is? Why is Mount with 1 year left on contract supposed to be priced higher than MacAllister?
PTSD. Very few of our signings actually are successful so its not an automatic thought.
Don't underestimate stupidity of boehly. Us Chelsea want big money if you want to get his service. If not we will happily keep him at Chelsea and pochettino big fan of him.
Things could change in year time may be we look like a team and who knows we will be in top 5 and mount extend his contract. Pay up or leave it. We can make money through other sales not him only our saleable asset. Chelsea can get 50 mn you supposedly want to give for mount through other sales instead of him.
How good is he though? I watch quite a lot of Chelsea games (especially this season
) but he never came across as the danger man or the player who can become elite. Other posters here seem to have a similar opinion. What are we all missing? And if you had to compare him to another player (past or present), who would it be?We will happily get his service of one more season and send him for free. That much we love his game and two times we finished top 4 in past three seasons he was our poty including cl winning season.How good is he though? I watch quite a lot of Chelsea games (especially this season
May be your manager who wants him knew lot more about him in my opinion.
It’s possible that he’s only worth £30m to us but his market value is higher. Clubs aren’t going to be paying £50m just for one year, it’s to stop him going to another club which is willing to pay £49m. The market will decide that figure. It’s not as simple as saying “why pay £50m when we can get him free next year?”. We can’t. Chelsea will sell him somewhere else.
But I’m open to the argument that £50m can be spent better elsewhere. We just won’t get Mount for free as well.
Ahh cheers. They’ll probably have quite a lot of their “old” homegrowns to sell I guess.
on the top of my head: Gallagher, RLC, Broja, Chalobah
He hasn’t been off the boil for 18 months. I’ve posted his numbers for the second half of last season on here.
This has the feeling like it will rumble on and on. Possibly while Chelsea can see what cash they can raise from other player sales and possibly in the hope they can convince Mount to stay. £70m for a player of his calibre in the last year of his contract isn't good value.
It's a foolish argument because players can pick where they want to go. You would have seen it with Frenkie picking us over Chelsea last year if he'd wanted to move. And indeed you did see it with Frenkie refusing to move at all. It didn't matter that Chelsea had offered more than us. It didn't matter that both clubs had offers accepted. Agreeing terms with Mount suggests he wants to come here to me so we should be playing hardball over the fee unless there's some dodgy backroom FFP agreement being cooked up between us and Chelsea.
I'd say the offer is £45m this week, next week it will be £40m and then we'll see from there.
I'm quite relaxed about this, either it will happen for 50m or we will move to other targets that suit us better.
While I'm still not convinced that Mount as an #8 is the profile of player we need, and that we need more of a Kovacic than a Mount, I think this thread needs more videos to get the muppet juices flowing. Here's Mount playing in a CM role :
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You’re right that the player has some say but, again, it’s not just a case of him deciding to join us and then us deciding the fee. Players often agree personal terms with several clubs anyway. You could be right about the eventual fee, I hope so, but if the fee is low, other clubs will surely get involved and Mount may get a better offer from one of them.
Reality is Chelsea need to sell before June 30th for FFP compliance and Mount represents 100% profit on the balance sheet whilst only having a year left and is known to have rejected Chelsea’s contract offers.
Yes they have others they can sell but not that help with FFP as much as Mount so whilst they may be stronging it at the moment asking for £70 million the closer it gets to June 30th the more reality will hit Chelsea, no one else is coming in for Mount anywhere near that price and everyone else’s interest in Mount seems to have ended since the reports that he only wants to come to United.
Out of interest what do people believe Chelsea would get for their deadwood and players they’re happy to offload ? I’m guessing one of the keepers so maybe £20 million for either, looks like £30 million from City for Kovacivic, seen £12-£13 million for Loftus-Cheek from Milan then maybe a combined £60 million for Broja, Gallagher and Pulisic so you’re looking at possibly £125 million which I wouldn’t imagine touches the sides for what they need but then if you include Mount at say £40-£50 million then that’s two academy players in Mount and Gallagher that can be put down as 100% profit and say £60-£70 million pure profit which puts a massive dent in FFP.
Yes they have others they can sell but not that help with FFP as much as Mount so whilst they may be stronging it at the moment asking for £70 million the closer it gets to June 30th the more reality will hit Chelsea, no one else is coming in for Mount anywhere near that price and everyone else’s interest in Mount seems to have ended since the reports that he only wants to come to United.
Out of interest what do people believe Chelsea would get for their deadwood and players they’re happy to offload ? I’m guessing one of the keepers so maybe £20 million for either, looks like £30 million from City for Kovacivic, seen £12-£13 million for Loftus-Cheek from Milan then maybe a combined £60 million for Broja, Gallagher and Pulisic so you’re looking at possibly £125 million which I wouldn’t imagine touches the sides for what they need but then if you include Mount at say £40-£50 million then that’s two academy players in Mount and Gallagher that can be put down as 100% profit and say £60-£70 million pure profit which puts a massive dent in FFP.
The fact that Chelsea aren’t in a UEFA competition next season means that there is no requirement for a UEFA licence those licences are measured over a three year period.
It seemed to me that some are focusing on a one year period where those that are far closer to the numbers may well feel it would be better to include transfer dealings in the current trading year to counter that it may be better to include them in the 2023/24 trading year when I would imagine with a full years charge of the 22/23 incomings will appear.
UEFAs version of FFP is being massively overhauled and with it there is going to be quite a different focus in terms of which period transfers will be monitored but the worry here isn’t just about squad costs there are also significant requirements regarding debt on a clubs balance sheet
Then you have the PL version which is a whole different debate
Watch us do an Antony and pay 80 mil in 2 months.
City are in for Kovacic and Milan are in for RLC, they'll probably raise around 50m by selling these 2.
Edit: Just seen @terraloo post above.
I don't think he should be, but there is a difference between what Chelsea want for Mount and what we're going to end up paying for him. The same applies to the rumoured fee that Brighton want and what Liverool will actually pay.
Either way, while I think MacAllister is a good player, I think Mount is better. What he's done previously seems to have been forgotten about due to his uninspiring performances for England (as with almost every other player under Southgate) and this season for Chelsea. He has played almost half of MacAllister's minutes but has better output if you look away from MacAllister's 6 penalties, while also playing for an awful Chelsea while MacAllister plays in a fluid, structured Brighton.
I think around £40-50m is fair for him, even if he only has a year left.
I think he's a fantastic player, very excited to see him in a United shirt.
Like has been pointed out - his quiet season with Chelsea and England has somehow made people forget that he was Chelsea's PoTY two seasons in a row before this one, and that he's one of those Bruno-esque players who seem to have an eye for goal contributions irrespective of where they play. In the PL alone, he had 11 G+A in 20/21 and 21 G+A in 21/22. As for where he'll fit in, I trust EtH to know what he's doing.
Like has been pointed out - his quiet season with Chelsea and England has somehow made people forget that he was Chelsea's PoTY two seasons in a row before this one, and that he's one of those Bruno-esque players who seem to have an eye for goal contributions irrespective of where they play. In the PL alone, he had 11 G+A in 20/21 and 21 G+A in 21/22. As for where he'll fit in, I trust EtH to know what he's doing.
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MacAllister has a release clause
Would Mount agree to join all those “interested “ clubs? Any club can pay 30m transfer fee but no club can match a 200+k weekly wages for Mount. That sort of wage would destroy the existing wage structure of all PL clubs. That’s the advantage we have to use to negotiate better.
Burnley want maatsen and bid rejected worth 15mn. Inter wants chalobah and willing to pay more than 20mn. Then there is pulisic and ziyech who combinedly could go for 30 mn. Gallagher still in demand Newcastle/crystal palace wants him we will expect minimum 30 mn-40 mn. Then real and havertz we can expect minimum 50 mn. Still we have cho, broja who can generate decent money if we wanted to sell.
From above with out mount we can get 150 mn and further 50 mn as you mentioned 200 mn more than enough to keep us safe from ffp thing.
We are not that desperate for money from mount sale alone. So why we want top dollar from you. Pay up get his services. Sure he will be one of your best players at the end of the next season.
As I point out earlier the the way FFP is applied going forward is a whole different ball game from how things have worked in the past .
Just looking at transfer income post 2022 will become even more complex because there will be a requirement to meet a % of income on wages/ amortisation & agents fees.In year one it’s 90%then 80% down to 70%
Whilst of course getting a fee is important from a cash flow perspective selling an academy product in accounting term generates a 100% profit however when it comes to the likes of say Kovacic who cost £40 million over a 5 year deal from an accounting point of view his value has depreciated to £8 million which will be charged in 23/24.
If he is sold for £35 million there would be a profit of £27 million but there remains £8 million that won’t then be charged so the bottom line benefit is indeed £ £35 million
As for which players think it’s going to be like this assuming the amortised values are roughly correct and of course ignore any wage savings and of course me guessing the fees
Player Fee in millions Amortised value as at 30/6. 23/24 Accounting benefit
Mendy. £20 £8 £16 million
Havertz. £60. £30. £45
CHO. £10. 0. £10
RLC. £15 0. £15
Chalobah. £25. 0. £25
Pulisic. £20. £8. £ 20
Ziech. £20. £12. £18
Sarr. £8. £2. £8
Mount. £55. 0. £ 55
Mattesen. £15. 0. £15
Gallagher. £40. 0. £40
Those names are who I expect to leave there will be a couple others who will not be expected.
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