Mason Mount | Confirmed

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Can we ever sign a decent player without being quoted ridiculous prices. Just walk away then, to be fair you only have to go back 12 months to see how stupid we are at transfers so can’t really blame Chelsea.

Up to Mount to make a stink now (or see out his contract) otherwise this like every transfer will take months.
 
After years of massively overspending, clubs see us coming and think they can rinse us. After caving in to Ajax's demands for Antony it's no wonder Chelsea think they can take the piss
 
simonhch said:
There are two ways to play 4-3-3, when boiled down to its simplest definitions. With a regular triangle, or with an inverted triangle in midfield.

Against Spurs at OT, for example, we played with an inverted triangle with Fred pushed high. Likely our best performance of the season. The high press was superb. And Fred was magnificent. But he’s not consistent in that role. More often than not last season we played with a regular bottom heavy triangle with Casemiro’s partner sitting deep. The front press and the overloads suffered significantly as a result.

Mount would allow us to play a more aggressive front press and regularly give us more overloads in the transition. He also has the legs to get back, and the creativity to provide good service to the front players.

i can easily see why ETH wants him so much. I think we’ll be able to play his preferred system more regularly with two forwards thinking 8s. It’s why I prefer him over Caicedo.
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Is he defensively adept? I'd seriously worry about getting overrun with a Bruno, Mount, and Casemiro midfield. Having legs is one thing, having the tactical and positional awareness and discipline to contribute when we are under pressure is another and is just as important (if not more so).
 
There's just no way we're getting the better of Chelsea in a transfer fee negotiation. The rank amateurs vs the best in the business at extracting value for their duds.
 
We're probably gonna make the big and again be a laughing stock of the football world.
 
flappyjay said:
Exactly, more than 50 it would mean he is a 100m player if he had years on his contract, which I don't think he would be worth.
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Yeah which for me is why £50m seems on the steep side but just about acceptable. I’d expect a Mason Mount with a couple of years left to be upwards of £70m but last year when they desperately need funds is a different kettle of fish.
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If they won’t negotiate I’d walk away at that figure.
 
Berbaclass said:
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They’re going to get about half of that for Pavertz. He has a year left on his contract and we’ve reportedly agreed terms with him - Chelsea would be acting pretty unreasonable in relation to one of their own trying to leave here.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Yeah which for me is why £50m seems on the steep side but just about acceptable. I’d expect a Mason Mount with a couple of years left to be upwards of £70m but last year when they desperately need funds is a different kettle of fish.

If they won’t negotiate I’d walk away at that figure.
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Just tell him to sit tight don’t sign a contract and we’ll offer £20-25m in winter window !
 
Woziak said:
Just tell him to sit tight don’t sign a contract and we’ll offer £20-25m in winter window !
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Just seems bizarre that Chelsea would walk away from that much “profit” on a player for their FFP.

I like Mount but not for that fee. I’d much rather do as you say and wait till January if necessary or just move on.
 
NoLogo said:
You really have to give it to our scouts they are stealing a living out there if this is the kind of targets they "dig up".
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Mount, Rice, Kane, Caicedo, D. Costa, Kim Min Jae, Osimhen.

Seems like not much changed on that side.
 
hobbers said:
There's just no way we're getting the better of Chelsea in a transfer fee negotiation. The rank amateurs vs the best in the business at extracting value for their duds.
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Ask for £80 million, thereby convincing us £55 million is a good deal, job's a good'en.
 
Anything over £35/£40 million for a player of his quality, who’s been off the boil for 18 months and has a year left on his contact would be insanity. Especially if the rumours are true about Mac Alister costing Liverpool £45 million.

So naturally I expect us agree a deal for around £60 mil. It’s Maguire/AWB all over again.
 
Just walk away, I wish our directors could just stop EtH (and actually come up with some good targets).
 
Malone_Post said:
Anything over £35/£40 million for a player of his quality, who’s been off the boil for 18 months and has a year left on his contact would be insanity. Especially if the rumours are true about Mac Alister costing Liverpool £45 million.

So naturally I expect us agree a deal for around £60 mil. It’s Maguire/AWB all over again.
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he's a better player than Macalister so i don't really care what he cost.

we won't pay 70/80 million for him that's for sure, but he's a very good footballer and would be a fantastic signing.
 
AdNani said:
he's a better player than Macalister so i don't really care what he cost.
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That’s highly debatable. And he certainly wasn’t this season. Chelsea fans have been openly talking about how he’s stagnated over the past 18 months, while MacAlister is coming off the best season of his career. That should reflect in the price. And that’s before we even get into his contact situation.

And not caring what players cos is part of the reason we’ve been in such a mess for so long. At some point we have to stop constantly overpaying for squad level players. We can’t be dropping £50+ million on every player we sign. It’s completely unsustainable.
 
NoLogo said:
You really have to give it to our scouts they are stealing a living out there if this is the kind of targets they "dig up".
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Pretty sure there’s been countless instances of our scouts actually, you know, scouting, only for those in charge to opt for their options. The scouts can only recommend, they have no say in who we actually end up with in the end.
 
If everyone is going to believe every single tweet they read, then you just have to accept the ups and downs of a transfer sage.

Just enjoy the ride like a transfer muppet, the summer has only just begun.
 
Todd Woodward is stupid enough to price him out of a move.

Woodward held onto Pogba, Lingard and probably a few others when it made sense to sell.

I can see Bhoely being that stupid. But I’m also sure they need to raise £100m before they can even buy.
 
Malone_Post said:
That’s highly debatable. And he certainly wasn’t this season. Chelsea fans have been openly talking about how he’s stagnated over the past 18 months, while MacAlister is coming off the best season of his career. That should reflect in the price. And that’s before we even get into his contact situation.

And not caring what players cos is part of the reason we’ve been in such a mess for so long. At some point we have to stop constantly overpaying for squad level players. We can’t be dropping £50+ million on every player we sign. It’s completely unsustainable.
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£50m gets you a big standard squad player these days. Or a reasonable player with potential.
 
Can we not just move on please: plenty fish in the sea. Remember Casemiro last year - came out of the blue.
 
Is Arsenal signing Rice in order to upgrade Partey? If so, is there any chance Partey would be made available for transfer?
 
Big Andy said:
£50m gets you a big standard squad player these days. Or a reasonable player with potential.
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Absolute nonsense. Just because we as a club are incapable of finding talent in the market for a reasonable price, doesn’t mean other clubs aren’t. Brighton and Brentford are prime examples of clubs that can buy well without having to overspend. They’ve constructed their whole squads on a fraction of our budget. Arsenal brought in the likes of Zinchenko & Trossard for reasonable prices, City with Alverez & Akanji, Newcastle have turned themselves into a CL club with signings like Trippier, Bruno, Pope etc They’ve spent over £50 million on just one single player (Isaak). The players are out there. We’re just absolutely awful at identifying and buying them.
 
Roll a die, that decides that the first of digits we'll bid for him

Roll a die a second time, that decides the second number

Take those two numbers and add 6 zeroes.

It could be £11m, it could be £66m
 
hobbers said:
There's just no way we're getting the better of Chelsea in a transfer fee negotiation. The rank amateurs vs the best in the business at extracting value for their duds.
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This is a new Chelsea regime tbh - I wish we were investing this heavily in the best young players (from Fernandzez to now Paz and possibly Caicedo etc) and there's a 50/50 chance it works out well for them longer-term but... there's no Marina/Cech double-team and there's not even the barest sign of actual negotiation beyond 'naming a bigger number' when it comes to their purchases and even with the crazy exemptions they've been granted, as an ironic reward for their previous owner supporting the Putin regime, they still need to address FFP seriously at some point soon if they want to buy an expensive new striker, top-line GK and midfield upgrades
 
Liverpool sign Mac Allister for £60m while we negotiate with a team who don't want to sell and get quoted £80m
 
Highfather_24 said:
Feel like he will turn out to be a better Van de Beek.

Really feel like what this team needs someone with high passing volume and accuracy, as we just lack someone who is really elite on the ball in midfield. \

We have a Keane in Casemiro, we need a Scholes.
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Herrera, Fred, dvb were all signed when we needed a Scholes not our thing as a club and mount is barely any better
 
Malone_Post said:
Absolute nonsense. Just because we as a club are incapable of finding talent in the market for a reasonable price, doesn’t mean other clubs aren’t. Brighton and Brentford are prime examples of clubs that can buy well without having to overspend. They’ve constructed their whole squads on a fraction of our budget. Arsenal brought in the likes of Zinchenko & Trossard for reasonable prices, City with Alverez & Akanji, Newcastle with Trippier, Bruno, Pope etc The list goes on. The players are out there. We’re just absolutely awful at identifying and buying them.
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It’s true enough. The deeper truth is even more depressing.

Brighton, Brentford and Newcastle are below us in the league. Most of their players are just not good enough to play for united and our fans would not be happy if we had signed them, bar one or two.

Not signing Trippier was a big mistake. Some of the other players you mentioned are okay but could they get into our team and consistently produce? They’ve had a good season but let’s see how they get on next year. To succeed, Utd have to sign better players than all of those - a lot of so-called great signings would be seen as unambitious punts if we bought them.

When you start shopping a tier up from that, you’ve got Madrid, Barca, PSG and Bayern to contend with.

We can’t swoop in and get the next star before anyone else finds out - there are no unknown players; they’re all on the database. But we managed to pick out Garnacho and we have others who might make it - Hannibal, Amad, Pellistri.

I’m not saying it’s fine but it’s not as easy as we might think.
 
redcucumber said:
Is he defensively adept? I'd seriously worry about getting overrun with a Bruno, Mount, and Casemiro midfield. Having legs is one thing, having the tactical and positional awareness and discipline to contribute when we are under pressure is another and is just as important (if not more so).
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He is. He’s a pressing machine for a start. But he’s also very defensively aware. Here is an excerpt article from the season before last on his contributions through all phases of play. For context, a left sided 8 is exactly the position he’s being recruited for

Defensive contributions
Impressing in the defensive phase is nearly impossible when N’Golo Kante is your teammate. Yet, Mount is regarded very highly for his defensive awareness and efforts. He matches Kante’s work ethic and desire to win the ball back whenever Chelsea loses it. Other than the anomaly that is Kante, Mount has made more successful tackles than any other Chelsea player (21).

Mount and pressing go hand in hand. I previously mentioned his desire and work ethic to win the ball back, and this is evidenced from his pressing statistics. The pressing machine is once again only behind Kante for number of pressures (278 compared to 315). Even though Kante applies pressure more often than Mount, the young Englishman is tasked with leading Chelsea’s press, with 80 of his pressures coming in the attacking third. This rushes defenders on the ball, forcing them to go long in an attempt to beat the press and effectively winning the ball back for the Blues.

Comparing Mount’s defensive numbers of this season to last season, one can see a stark improvement. The evidence suggests that Mount is intercepting more per game (1.1 versus 0.4), tackling more (2.1 versus 1.0) and winning more duels (5.0 versus 3.4). Those numbers are really impressive considering Mount has not missed a single game through injury in his Chelsea career.
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I really hope we stick to our guns. We pay anything more than £55m (and even that’s a big much) then we become putty in their hands and every club will know how to feck with us.

English or not, man wants to leave in the last year of his contract while they are actively seeking out a new midfield while trying to empty their stacked locker room.

When we start talking about £70m nonsense, you can arguably spend the extra 5-10m and get a better player.
 
mikeyt said:
But £58million is daylight robbery, I wouldn't pay that if he had 4 years left on his contract let alone 1!
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Absolutely daylight robbery but the English tax comes in & the fact that more than one team is interested will drive the price up.
 
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