Mason Mount | Confirmed

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He's a good player, but the issue is he's not really what we need right now, and nobody's quite sure where best to use him!

But as a general strengthening the squad signing, he could be decent.
I guess he would mainly play where Eriksen plays, as Eriksen needs to be used far more sparingly to keep him fresh. He can also play further forward as cover or rotation for Bruno.
 
Think he'd replace Eriksen in the starting 11. Gives us an option to rotate Bruno as well. Eriksen looks finished as a starter. Legs are gone.

Eriksen was never likely to be a long term player. He has done well as a stop gap, but Mount will be a significant upgrade on the 2023 version of Eriksen.

A midfield three of Casemiro, Mount and Fernandes has a good balance to it.
 
PL goals and assists:

19/20: 7 goals, 6 assists
20/21: 6 goals, 7 assists
21/22: 11 goals, 11 assists
22/23: 3 goals, 4 assists (missed 15 games due to injury).

More goals/assists than I thought.
 
Gabri Veiga scored 2 against Barca yesterday, could we really not get someone better than Mason Mount at CM if we're spending £50m?
 
I don't think Southgate played him to the left?

I'm sure he was supposed to be the most advanced midfielder, more so than Rice, Henderson/Phillips.

The problem was he tended to get completely lost in games. Ineffectual.
He has but only when Southgate has played 3 at the back, with Mount on the left a front in a 343 formation. It's a set up that Southgate goes to from time to time but as of recently he generally favours more of a 433. Rice as the sitting DM, a defensive no.8 (Henderson, Phillips or Bellingham) and an attacking no.8 (Bellingham or Mount).

When playing 4 at the back Mount has typically been the most advanced midfielder, playing LCM (typically in a 433, though could be considered a 4231), playing a hybrid no.8/no.10 role drifting out to the left. Phillips and Henderson have had licence to roam forward but to a lesser extent than Mount.

At the Euros, in the games he started, Mount was the LCM as part of a 433 (or 4231) in every game apart from the final where Mount was on the left in the front 3 as part of a 343.

At the World Cup, Mount had the same role as the Euros, just with Bellingham replacing Henderson as the more conservative no.8. Mount did eventually lose his starting place to Henderson, with Bellingham being the more attacking no.8 at the end of the tournament.
 
Gabri Veiga scored 2 against Barca yesterday, could we really not get someone better than Mason Mount at CM if we're spending £50m?
Let’s go one step further and just sign whoever scored a hat trick this past weekend
 
I don't think Southgate played him to the left?

I'm sure he was supposed to be the most advanced midfielder, more so than Rice, Henderson/Phillips.

The problem was he tended to get completely lost in games. Ineffectual.
He's played a number of games on the left of midfield for Chelsea.
 
Why don't we go for Mac Allister instead? He apparently has a low release clause at around £45m due to him signing a new contract in October (otherwise he would've been a free agent this summer). For me that's far better value than Mount at a similar price. He plays both CM and AM to a high standard.
 
Why don't we go for Mac Allister instead? He apparently has a low release clause at around £45m due to him signing a new contract in October (otherwise he would've been a free agent this summer). For me that's far better value than Mount at a similar price. He plays both CM and AM to a high standard.

because he went to Liverpool?
 
Why don't we go for Mac Allister instead? He apparently has a low release clause at around £45m due to him signing a new contract in October (otherwise he would've been a free agent this summer). For me that's far better value than Mount at a similar price. He plays both CM and AM to a high standard.

AM to a high standard, but never had more than 2 assists in a PL season. Not so sure about that.
 
No wonder Liverpool ditched Mount for Mac Allister. Probably asking for less wages and lower transfer fee
 
No wonder Liverpool ditched Mount for Mac Allister. Probably asking for less wages and lower transfer fee

Ditched? All the news reported that Mount prefers ManUtd. No wonder Liverpool quickly moved on.
 
58M for a player Chelsea wants to get rid of is not what I would call a good deal, but I actually rate Mount, so I'm ok with that as long as he plays good football.
 
Ditched? All the news reported that Mount prefers ManUtd. No wonder Liverpool quickly moved on.
Mac Allister is the one we need (in my opinion). But EtH will know best which players he needs for his team so I'll just try not to get sucked in to crazy transfer season.
 
True. Not what we need though.
We do need that, especially with Fred leaving. If we want to play better against good sides away from home, a consistent Fred like player in midfield vs Eriksen or Mount next to Bruno is part of the solution.
 
58M for a player Chelsea wants to get rid of is not what I would call a good deal, but I actually rate Mount, so I'm ok with that as long as he plays good football.

Except they don't want to get rid of him. Not that it would be relevant even if they did as the ones who want him out are more concerned with the finances rather than his footballing abilities.

Barcelona wanted De Jong out, and he is currently one of the best midfielders in the world.
 
And being in much better form.

I like Mount. I don't know why he always got a bad press from Chelsea and England fans. But he does come with an annoying hefty English tax, much like Kane and Rice.
 
Its reported that Rashford , who yes is in the last year of his contract, is looking for close to £500k a week, I will say that again £500k a week. Ok it’s just a rumour but if it’s correct do you think Utd should just pay that sum to keep him at any cost ?
https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...ter-united-paper-round_sto9535123/story.shtml

Mount it was said turned down £200k and that in the current market seemed about right players like James maybe getting more but they have agreed to contracts a couple of years longer than Mount was prepared to sign so yes pay is key but also contract length seems to be another major factor in all this

I believe that come the end of season 23/24 Utd have around 8 are out of contract ( Luke Shaw isn’t one of them) but of that number the vast majority(5) have a one year option so I guess decisions re their futures will be made in season 23/24 not before the season starts


The bit about home grown players made me smile because we actually don’t have any problem with that nor do we have any issues with club trained if that’s what you actually mean.

Reece James HG & CT,
Ben Chillwell HG CT
Lewis Hall HG CT
Trevoh Chalobah HG CT
RLC HG CT
Connor Gallagher HG CT
Ethan Ampadu HG CT
Omari Hutchinson HG
Armando Broja HG CT
Reeham Sterling HG
Harvey Vale HG CT
Levi Colwill HG CT
Carney Chukwuemeka HG
CHO HG CT

Those names are off the top of my head and yes I fully acknowledge that some would just be squad fillers and yes again I fully acknowledge that some will be sold or loaned out but HG slots won’t be something that wont be taken up but when you also factor in that many will be under 21 wont take up a squad slot in the PL and the UEFA club trained, home grown requirements for at least season 23/24 wont be a major issue then I can’t see that we have any real concerns going into 23/24

As for midfielders I wouldn’t suggest we are short of them the debate is more about how they will fit into the new coaches system, what their contract situation is be it current length or player demands and also yes a need to get some money in and reduce the sums being charged in respect of amortisation

Mount is said to be very much a coaches player many supporters just don’t get what Mount brings to the party and I get it that many Utd supporters just don’t see his value but I think you are way off when you suggest that Chelsea heiracy dont rate him as a top 6 club player .

Happy to discuss Rashford in the Rashford thread but if you are Rashford and Sancho is on £350k a week, how much would you ask for?

As for Mount, I’m getting the same feeling I got when we signed Harry Maguire.
 
I don't think we should view any one player as bridging the gap between us and City. We can easily fall into the trap of thinking a few players would have us competing on their level.
Of course no one player can do that. But they will be favourites for every competition we are in next season so we have to reduce that gap by bringing in several personnel and by further improving what we have already got.
 
50m I might just be able to cope with. I really hope we’re not paying him 200k a week though.
 
£50m is the absolute maximum but really for being in the last year of his contract it should be £40m as a fair deal.
 
In reality the team could do with improving in every position. So we shouldn't be that surprised if a left sided midfielder/attacker is the first position to be improved (all be it slightly) this summer.
 
I don’t get why anyone would want MacAllister over Mount ? Because he played in a World Cup winning team ? Because he’s looked good at times this season ? I’m not a massive Mount fan but he’s shown consistently on a higher level that he at £50 million is a better buy than MacAllister at £45-£50 million.

As for where Mount will play I’d imagine ETH knows exactly where he wants Mount to play as ETH doesn’t strike me as the type to buy a player just to spend money, he’ll already know where Mount would fit into his tactical approach which I’d take a guess at moving to a 4-3-3 and Mount in Eriksen’s role as Mount has the engine to get up and down the pitch.
 
Let’s go one step further and just sign whoever scored a hat trick this past weekend

Well he's nearly equalled Mason Mount's season tally in one game week so you be sniffy if you like but being more whelming than Mount is not that big a task.
 
Why don't we go for Mac Allister instead? He apparently has a low release clause at around £45m due to him signing a new contract in October (otherwise he would've been a free agent this summer). For me that's far better value than Mount at a similar price. He plays both CM and AM to a high standard.

Because he wants to join Liverpool, that’s why.
 
Why don't we go for Mac Allister instead? He apparently has a low release clause at around £45m due to him signing a new contract in October (otherwise he would've been a free agent this summer). For me that's far better value than Mount at a similar price. He plays both CM and AM to a high standard.

Macallister stinks of being a flavour of the month.

I'm not a huge fan of Mount but you don't have a significant risk of him going back to being bang average next year.
 
58M for a player Chelsea wants to get rid of is not what I would call a good deal, but I actually rate Mount, so I'm ok with that as long as he plays good football.
Chelsea need to sell some home grown players to compensate for the insane buying frenzy that Todd instigated . Selling Mount would help them immensely.
 
Macallister stinks of being a flavour of the month.

I'm not a huge fan of Mount but you don't have a significant risk of him going back to being bang average next year.

Are you there's no risk in Mount because Mount is already bang average? :lol:

I get what you mean with Mac Allister, Brighton players overperform due to the team, but tbf he did also look very good with Argentina.

Because he wants to join Liverpool, that’s why.

If we were in for him we'd be a much more attractive proposition than Liverpool I'd think.
 
Macallister stinks of being a flavour of the month.

I'm not a huge fan of Mount but you don't have a significant risk of him going back to being bang average next year.

Yeah, I think that MacAllister is massively overhyped. Solid, good player, but nothing special. One of those players that no one can really say what he does exceptionally well. An all-rounder more than anything.
 
You're saying because Mount is already bang average? :lol:

I get what you mean with Mac Allister, Brighton players overperform due to the team, but tbf he did also look very good with Argentina.

Mount is not bang-average. He may not be the glamour name that many on here want but he was Chelsea player of the season two years in a row before this season. He'd be a good signing.
 
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