Think he'd replace Eriksen in the starting 11. Gives us an option to rotate Bruno as well. Eriksen looks finished as a starter. Legs are gone.
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Its reported that Rashford , who yes is in the last year of his contract, is looking for close to £500k a week, I will say that again £500k a week. Ok it’s just a rumour but if it’s correct do you think Utd should just pay that sum to keep him at any cost ?
https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...ter-united-paper-round_sto9535123/story.shtml
Mount it was said turned down £200k and that in the current market seemed about right players like James maybe getting more but they have agreed to contracts a couple of years longer than Mount was prepared to sign so yes pay is key but also contract length seems to be another major factor in all this
I believe that come the end of season 23/24 Utd have around 8 are out of contract ( Luke Shaw isn’t one of them) but of that number the vast majority(5) have a one year option so I guess decisions re their futures will be made in season 23/24 not before the season starts
The bit about home grown players made me smile because we actually don’t have any problem with that nor do we have any issues with club trained if that’s what you actually mean.
Reece James HG & CT,
Ben Chillwell HG CT
Lewis Hall HG CT
Trevoh Chalobah HG CT
RLC HG CT
Connor Gallagher HG CT
Ethan Ampadu HG CT
Omari Hutchinson HG
Armando Broja HG CT
Reeham Sterling HG
Harvey Vale HG CT
Levi Colwill HG CT
Carney Chukwuemeka HG
CHO HG CT
Those names are off the top of my head and yes I fully acknowledge that some would just be squad fillers and yes again I fully acknowledge that some will be sold or loaned out but HG slots won’t be something that wont be taken up but when you also factor in that many will be under 21 wont take up a squad slot in the PL and the UEFA club trained, home grown requirements for at least season 23/24 wont be a major issue then I can’t see that we have any real concerns going into 23/24
As for midfielders I wouldn’t suggest we are short of them the debate is more about how they will fit into the new coaches system, what their contract situation is be it current length or player demands and also yes a need to get some money in and reduce the sums being charged in respect of amortisation
Mount is said to be very much a coaches player many supporters just don’t get what Mount brings to the party and I get it that many Utd supporters just don’t see his value but I think you are way off when you suggest that Chelsea heiracy dont rate him as a top 6 club player .
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I was going through his season there, he had 12 assists and 7 goals for your lot after Christmas. He did better in the second half of the season than the first and carried your team in his back.
It really was just this season that he dipped
And has every excuse as to why.
Eurosport link haha. United haven’t paid more than 350/375K a week to anyone ever and you think Rashford will get 500k a week?
I doubt they will or indeed do I think they should but the point being made was in response to a previous post suggesting that if you want to keep a player you should in effect just pay what they ask for.
As for Utd’s top earners it’s near enough impossible to get to the true numbers but this link , and yes it’s only the Mirror suggests that £500k may be achievable
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-cristiano-ronaldo-wages-28056738
Rashford came out and rubbished these reports straight away.
He did indeed but to a degree the sun isnt the issue it was trying to highlight the folly being made by a poster that any club should just meet a players demands
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Yes, I hope so!
Alexis got insane money in fairness
As a Manchester United fan I will know peace when we stop buying #10s and trying to convert them into #8s.
Bruno and Mount are both hard workers, but neither of them are as good on the ball as the likes of KdB, Silva, Bernardo or Gundogan. Bruno's passing is erratic and Mount is not an elite ball player either.
With Casemiro as a lone #6, in most games we will still be fine, but he is 31 and cannot cover the entire midfield, and we still need a proper backup/completion for him, preferably someone young.
Mount looks like he'd be pretty good in the 8 though.
How can we have agreed personal terms with him before submitting a bid if we're not allowed to approach players without their club's consent?
Have the rules around tapping up been changed?
Have the rules around tapping up been changed?
You're new into this transfers stuff?
I agree with Orc here.
It can be done against easier teams just like how ETH used Eriksen/Sabitzer next to Casemiro, but if Casemiro gets injured our whole team falls apart.
Mount's defensive numbers compared to midfielders is not good.
I suppose an argument to this would be that he's not been playing in a more traditional midfield role that would be expected at United.I agree with Orc here.
It can be done against easier teams just like how ETH used Eriksen/Sabitzer next to Casemiro, but if Casemiro gets injured our whole team falls apart.
Mount's defensive numbers compared to midfielders is not good.
I do generally agree though that while Mount is a good defensively for an attacking player, this doesn't and probably won't translate into him being a CM that is also good defensively. The skill set to defend defend deeper and in transition is an entirely different skill to pressing high and trying to win the ball back in the opposition half. It's not to say he can't do it or his game might change to adapt but I'm not convinced it will work, particularly in our away games or games against tougher teams.
This doesn't take into account anyone else that United might be aiming for this summer
Mount is a good player, but for feck sake please do not blow a third of our budget on him.
I'm no huge fan of Mount but this is important: too often this season, we could change personnel but didn't have the players to change the shape/way/we/played/tactics... at least not enough to change games or how we played against certain teams. the better the squad and the more adaptable we can be, can only be a good thing. You can't go into a game at City or Sevilla with the sme mind-set as, say, West Ham at home and expect to get the right result
No idea honestly just saying Ducker is usually one of the credible voices in regard to United .
There is another possibility as well which many are quick to dismiss , Mount might actually be bought in to lessen our Dependence on Fernandes going forward and possibly replacing him in not so distant future .
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I think Orc is just saying where Mount has been utilised. In truth he hasn't played anywhere near enough games to conclude he is ineffective there.I agree with Orc here.
It can be done against easier teams just like how ETH used Eriksen/Sabitzer next to Casemiro, but if Casemiro gets injured our whole team falls apart.
Mount's defensive numbers compared to midfielders is not good.
Ten hag has retrained players before to new positions and it appears hel do the same with Mount.
Worth noting hes played the majority of his career under Lampard who is tremsndously shite, and tuchel who played a completely different system to us. He actually has untold potential in Ten Hags system.
I think so, yes. Eriksen is fine for a certain type of game, particularly at home against teams that are going to sit back. Give him a bit of time and let him pick a killer pass. Playing 30 games a year he can add a lot of value still. You're right that he's not going to be able to cope in the higher intensity matches against the top teams, cup final demonstrated that. We need more physical intensity in midfield, esp if we're trying to press more.
Certainly a big risk to have such a big transfer in such an important position and then hope he does well in a new position.
Think the smarter thing to do would be to just buy the best possible natural #8 around, a proper Eriksen upgrade. But ehh, ETH has earned our trust so far(except Weghorst).
Pretty sure ETH will use Mount similar to how he used Sabitzer, who is a similar profile(hard worker box to box, decent on the ball). He will play in the left/right channel on the ball, combining with the wingers/fullbacks, and drop into a midfield pivot with Casemiro off the ball.
---------------------Bruno
--Mount-----------
---------Casemiro
Hopefully not Rabiot
we need a proper Casemiro understudy/replacement.He's not what we should be prioritising yes but I do think we need a player like him. Someone who will press, run all day long and is good at progressing the play as well.
I don't religiously follow every Chelsea game but whenever I have watched Mount he's mostly played as an attacking midfielder or on the left side of midfield. This includes when playing for the national team. Unless the scouts/coaches think they can mould him into a number 8, or have a different system in mind I would think it's best to buy a player who specialises in any given position.
I agree with that, but I also feel like Mounts skillets may well be very well suited to an 8 at the same time. His ball carrying, pressures and mobility make him quite attractive on paper.
My worry is how lightweight he may or may not be in that role.
I heard Ten Hag wanted Mount when he was at Ajax so he may have a very specific role for him in mind. It's the perfect time to buy with a pre season to work under, plus I think his fee would be reasonable given the home grown quota, age and potential.
His coaching history doesn't tell you that. His teams before Ajax weren't possession focused and the way he setup Ajax in the CL wasn't possession focused either. ETH isn't a possession disciple.
It seems like that latter. He definitely has qualities that make him look like he could do a job as a no.8 but he hasn't done it one regular basis for England or Chelsea.
Certainly a big risk to have such a big transfer in such an important position and then hope he does well in a new position.
Think the smarter thing to do would be to just buy the best possible natural #8 around, a proper Eriksen upgrade. But ehh, ETH has earned our trust so far(except Weghorst).
Pretty sure ETH will use Mount similar to how he used Sabitzer, who is a similar profile(hard worker box to box, decent on the ball). He will play in the left/right channel on the ball, combining with the wingers/fullbacks, and drop into a midfield pivot with Casemiro off the ball.
---------------------Bruno
--Mount-----------
---------Casemiro
Hopefully not Rabiot
Even with Shaw and AWB/Dalot tucking inside it still feels like we'll continue to have a large hole in midfield.
However whenever I watched Ajax under ETH they seemed to suffer the same issue. Out of possession teams had space to attack Ajax if they could beat the initial press. I guess on the flip side is it drew teams out and made them susceptible to a counter.
That's from my limited viewing so someone can correct me if it's wildly wrong. I can see Mount and Bruno being asked to do the initial press rather than pack the midfield to block passing lines and space.
If we sign Mount, it will be good news for Antony. The cafe will have a new player to moan about every time he puts a foot wrong.
He's not a Pep disciple. People need to stop making that mistake.
He's very much his own man who has used different influences to shape his vision, but at his core he is pragmatic.
At Ajax he was successful by being the least 'Ajax-esque' manager that they'd had in a long time. It's one of the reasons the fans didn't warm to him at first, that and the fact he apparently has a farmer's accent...or something.
I think he does want to build a team that uses possession better rather than solely relies on counters, because at the end of the day that's what a modern team needs to do in order to win trophies. I don't think he's married to a particular style or formation with which to do that though.
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It's funny because it's not the easier teams we've had a problem with this year, we've lost a lot of points against the harder opponents mainly away from home and when Casemiro isn't playing. Mount in midfield isn't a proper solution to that, Fred's defensive engine over Eriksen was eventually preferred after our midfield kept on getting bullied, we need a player with strong defensive and technical ability as the 8, someone like Caicedo or Rabiot, not Mount.I agree with Orc here.
It can be done against easier teams just like how ETH used Eriksen/Sabitzer next to Casemiro, but if Casemiro gets injured our whole team falls apart.
Mount's defensive numbers compared to midfielders is not good.
He'd be an improvement on Eriksen but still cant get excited about this, especially for anything above £50m. Don't see him bring a player to close the gap to the likes of City.
If we pay 45 million we're good. Not a pound more.
For a heavily out of form player with a year left on his contract £45 million is still a big stretch, especially relative to our current budget. No one pays that sort of money on out of form players.
I am, Macallister for 115k a week.
I don't think we should view any one player as bridging the gap between us and City. We can easily fall into the trap of thinking a few players would have us competing on their level.
I don't think Southgate played him to the left?
I'm sure he was supposed to be the most advanced midfielder, more so than Rice, Henderson/Phillips.
The problem was he tended to get completely lost in games. Ineffectual.
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