Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player

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The club have done him no favours in their handling of the situation either.

This imaginary internal investigation thats taken months then out of nowhere they hint hes coming back, was never going to impress anyone.

They could have organised an interview with him and his new wife, he could have done work with charities that deal with domestic abuse, they then could have loaned him out to ease him back in etc.

The whole thing has been a mess.

The club most probably wanted him back to save money instead of buying other attacker after our shit attacking form starting the season, so they hinted at it through some leaks to test water and see how the fans will react before taking the final decision.
 
Actually the point being made when you quoted me was what mistakes Greenwood was himself taking responsibility for in the statements we have seen.
.... and the poster you were quoting was talking about the club.

You know what, never mind. You're right.
 
Which is why the semantics is important. New material can also be a different statement from witness or the alleged victim and neither are evidences but certain statements can make the prospect of conviction very difficult.

So yeah, it's semantics and it's extremely important when it comes to the law.
But we do not know and we never will but it could have equally been something very damning for the prosecution
 
The only way this could of went differently would of been for his gf to come out and basically say it wasn’t true
 
I'll be seriously pissed off if he rocks up at another premier league club with no fuss.
 
Same here... You guys have no clue about what really happend, yet you are ready to judge individuals or slam others who do it for a job with way more information than you do. Seems like "you" got your way, the player isn't going to play for us anymore. It feels a bit dodgy that you still feel the need to guess or estimate about motivations and backgrounds.
Nor do you know the reason she made the u turn.
 
How can he say “ he did not do the things hes been accused of”

Literally the world has heard the recordings, seen the pictures and read the transcripts.

He is a rapist and the only reason he got off and isnt in jail is because he breached bail conditions and won ******* back. Imagine being the girls father and thinking them rape recordings and transcrips involving your daughter is ok.

Glad hes gone.
 
You can't slander someone who hasn't been successfully charged with whatever you claim he/she has done. I'm sorry but the world doesn't work that way.
I can claim right here and right now that I, truly and to the best of my knowledge, believe him to be guilty of everything he’s been accused of and nothing could happen to me legally. That’s how the world works.
 
Out of context right guys?

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Shouldn't you be on that Arsenal forum posting Partey stuff?
 
That is what a lot are not grasping. It is like a girl not going through with rape charges because of what they go through in court.
I think there is more what "a lot" are not grasping. It isn't the victim who is needed to bring a bad actor to justice. Its the state itself. It the state gets to know about wrong doings, it is obliged to take care. If the only evidence is the statement of the victim, that would mean that other things aren't as conclusive as some people seem to think. You are obviously free to judge anybody based on next to nothing, but the state is required more. Acting as if Greenwood would be in some sort of limbo in between guilty and unguilty is wrong - everybody is unguilty until the moment a judge speaks a different verdict.
 
Dragging it out for so long turned it into a soap opera. When its happened elsewhere theyve either moved them on or played them without all the fannying around.
I can see them examining everything to be honest - especially if they as they claim have evidence of which the public isn't privy to for whatever reason - simply because he has been with us since he was a child. Practically grew up with the club. It's a little complicated.

In any case, it's over and he can go and rebuild his life.
 
What we do know and the important part is that he won't continue putting on the United's jersey.

Whether we will receive a fee for him is another matter and not really fully dependent on United.

If you mean whether the statement in regards to whether or not United take a side in the charges - then yes, that part is conflicting and the PR team have done a poor job once again putting the whole message through.
Ah yes, what happened 18 months ago can all get hidden down the back of the sofa now he’s wearing Club X FCs jersey. . .

The fact people are acting like their sense of responsibility ends at him leaving United says all we need to know about what peoples real motivations are here. He’s still with the same GF this all centres around, but ah well we can tell rival fans we stood for something. . .
 
But we do not know and we never will but it could have equally been something very damning for the prosecution

Which is why you should stick to "new material" instead of turning it into "new evidence". You do realize that if you don't know then you have no reason to talk about new evidence ?
 
The club have told you they haven't seen everything.

Also, reports from the Athletic (who have been bang on correct about this whole thing) go further and say that United heard Mason's explanations but the family of the girl won't confirm nor deny and as such they can't confirm the truth of it.
And don't you think they would have something to say? The "new material" is clearly of some importance. and even without it, no evidence was ever tested in court
 
Ah yes, what happened 18 months ago can all get hidden down the back of the sofa now he’s wearing Club X FCs jersey. . .

The fact people are acting like their sense of responsibility ends at him leaving United says all we need to know about what peoples real motivations are here. He’s still with the same GF this all centres around, but ah well we can tell rival fans we stood for something. . .

Genuinely baffling take.
 
.... and the poster you were quoting was talking about the club.

You know what, never mind. You're right.

The exchange that started all this was:

They certainly didn't think he was 100% innocent. They specifically said that Mason made mistakes, mistakes that he himself "takes responsibility for".
I think the mistake was getting himself into this situation in the first place.
Breaching bail conditions too.

So yes, thanks, I was right.
 
Whatever the truth maybe, I wish him the best in his career and hope he does what's right for him, his partner and his newborn. Will be the greatest regret in the last 30 years, along with Ravel Morrison.
 
Well I'm pissed right off, some club is getting a top quality player, and it will be for peanuts...
I wanted him back in , but UTDs board have given in to peer pressure from other quarters..

I hope the boy goes on and plays his football abroad and scores shit load of goals , comes back as a visiting player in CL or Europa league or conference league and scores a Hattrick .... and i will cheer every fecking goal, I've followed this club since 8 yrs of age and I'm seriously thinking of feck it now .....

I was about to do the same if he came back.
 
Well feck that...from a purely footballing point of view. This is all very sad and unfortunate
 



Richard Arnold statement on Mason Greenwood: "Dear fans, now that we have concluded and announced the outcome of the club's investigation into Mason Greenwood, I want to be direct and transparent with our fans about the process and the reasons for our decision.

This was an internal disciplinary investigation between employer and employee which would ordinarily take place outside of the public eye. Given the public nature of the allegations and Mason's profile, I acknowledge that this was not an ordinary situation, but I felt it important that we still follow due process and, so far as possible, avoid media comment until I had made a definitive decision.

When audio footage and imagery was posted online in January 2022, my feelings were of shock and concern for the alleged victim. Her welfare, wishes and perspective have been central to the club's approach ever since, as have the club’s standards and values. While we immediately concluded that Mason should be suspended pending investigation, we were also conscious of our duty of care towards him and the importance of making a decision based on full information. Until February this year, this was a matter for the police and the Crown Prosecution Service. It was only when charges were dropped that the club discussed the allegations with Mason and others involved in the case.

Our investigation sought to collate as much evidence as possible to establish facts and context. This was not a quick or straightforward process for a variety of reasons. It was essential for us to respect the rights and wishes of the alleged victim. Also, we have limited powers of investigation which meant we were reliant on third party cooperation. Timings have also been influenced by my desire to minimise the impact of the investigation on our men's and women's teams, as well as our Lionesses. I acknowledge that this gave more time for speculation, but the alternative would have been to compromise due process or create untimely disruption.

While we were unable to access certain evidence for reasons we respect, the evidence we did collate led us to conclude that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with. I am restricted as to what I can say for legal reasons, including the alleged victim's ongoing right to anonymity, but I am able to share the following with you which should give you some insight into the complexity of this case.

• The alleged victim requested the police to drop their investigation in April 2022.
• We were provided with alternative explanations for the audio recording, which was a short excerpt from a much longer recording, and for the images posted online.
• The alleged victim's family participated in the process and were given the opportunity to review and correct our factual findings.

Last week the media reported that we had decided to reintegrate Mason and that elements of a plan to do so had been leaked to them. Reintegration was one of the outcomes we considered and planned for. For context, over the course of the past six months several outcomes have been contemplated and planned for, and my view has evolved as our process progressed. While the ultimate decision rested with me, I was taking various factors and views into account right up until the point of finalising my decision.

While I am satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with, Mason’s accepted that he has made mistakes which he takes responsibility for. I am also mindful of the challenge that Mason would face rebuilding his career and raising a baby together with his partner in the harsh spotlight of Manchester United. Further, this case has provoked strong opinions, and it is my responsibility to minimise any distraction to the unity we are seeking within the club.

Although we have decided that Mason will seek to rebuild his career away from Manchester United, that does not signal the end of this matter. The club will continue to offer its support both to the alleged victim and Mason to help them rebuild and move forward positively with their lives.

Thank you for your continued support,

Richard Arnold"

Predictable and somewhat satisfying. There was no way back after the backlash but they will not be washing their hands of it, they will keep helping the family which is good.

Disappointed but not surprised at the handwaving of United's statement, specifically where they state they think he is not guilty. Good luck to them, but seriously hope Mason sorts his head out.
 
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Happy with the decision as long as there is consistency everywhere. The content we heard of mason, you can't really make it up, he was being a little spoilt boy, but used domineering behaviour to belittle the victim. For me, that's not rape, domestic abuse. Any footballer found doing similar things should be banned moving forward and I think that would send a clear message. But the message also has to go baxk out there to people who abuse there position, Mendy, although I don't hace all the facts, was accused of rape, proven not guilty but his career was destroyed as well as his name. You cannot have one rule for one and one for the other. It needs to be total equality.

Whereby I was hoping he would be given a second chance as I do believe they are important and send bigger messages, I can respect that from a PR view but also morale, it would be terrible for him to come back. Good luck Mason, I hope you have changed and hope you rebuild your life properly and become an example to people to make sure this kind of thing does not happen again.
 
I wonder how much the 'fan' backlash influenced this decision. Rachel Riley and co? City soon ditched Mendy when he was charged, he was eventually found not guilty which also means his accussers were lying. The CPS dropping the case against Greenwood because they thought they couldn't secure a conviction means to me that their witnesses either couldn't stand up to cross examination or they were got at which seems to be the general perception when this stuff happens. Whatever, Mason would have been torn to bits by away crowds and some United fans, so the best decision is for him to leave, let him and his 'victim' get their lives back on track elsewhere. There is no perfect solution to this one.


This was 100% influenced by the backlash.. It seemed as if R.A had made the decision already with preparations set.

It should have been a easy decision made a long time ago. Regardless of the outcome its unbelievably bad press that Utd should have steered clear of as much as possible
 
Fair enough! Concluding that her allegations are false, is also not right. But we can make an assumption based on the fact that the evidence we have seen is deemed conclusive by so many people, yet the police have decided it is not enough to convict. Which means either the audio and the images are false and construed, or they are simply not conclusive enough to make a conviction. Which of these you find more plausible is ofcourse up to you.

You've now completely reveresed everything you said, yet just a few minutes ago you didn't understand how it can even be a debate.
 
I wonder if people will be happy that both the victim that they were rooting for and the kid who was born after this will be punished also.

That poor child, the internet never forgets.

I still now find the whole thing strange, her fathers reaction, having a kid and getting married - it's just weird.

He also on breached bail, because he was still dating her.

I do wonder if one day we'll look at this at different view point.
 
Which is why you should stick to "new material" instead of turning into "new evidence". You do realize that if you don't know then you have no reason to talk about new evidence ?
But it was clearly of some importance otherwise the CPS wouldn't have mentioned it. Material could, for instance, be something on her phone. The point is we have no idea and therefore shouldn't be rushing to find anyone guilty of anything
 
The club have done him no favours in their handling of the situation either.

This imaginary internal investigation thats taken months then out of nowhere they hint hes coming back, was never going to impress anyone.

They could have organised an interview with him and his new wife, he could have done work with charities that deal with domestic abuse, they then could have loaned him out to ease him back in etc.

The whole thing has been a mess.
This is what I would have done as well. However, it seems very clear to me that his partner does not want to address this issue publicly and we have to respect her privacy.
 
Like everything else this has been a a clusterfeck the way they've handled this. If the club was terminating his contract it could have been done in February or July 1st. The fact they've waited this long means they were planning on keeping him, but everyone knows that now. So they might as well have just had the balls to follow through with that decision. It is concerning that the club's planning seems so easily swayed by leaks and online chatter.

But ultimately I'm just glad it's over now, he's leaving and the club can move forward without all the drama that would have followed Greenwood returning to United.
 
Out of context right guys?

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Are you aware that you are instrumentalize those words for your personal righteousness? If you don't know, what happened before or after - then it is out of context. Doesn't mean it would change much on "our" outlook about being right or wrong but acting as if we'd know everything needed to just dump his a** in a cell is crazy. It only invites more extreme positions. THis thread will be locked in an hour I guess.
 
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