Out of context right guys?
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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Doesn't mean both have equal value. Losing a key witness kills 95% of your case. Whatever the "new material" is, it may not matter much or enough to sway someone's opinion. But added to the previous, more important loss of a witness it makes it worse.
Yet you're accusing someone of making false accusations, which is a crime. To be fair this doesn't contradict what you're saying, because the person you're accusing is not a man. I think if we want to fully capture what you meant, you should elaborate:
" I can't understand how this is even a debate, if a man is not charged with a crime and convicted of said crime, it is not our job to make up our own opinion on that matter. If it's a woman it's our job, though."
Better, don't you think?
Dragging it out for so long turned it into a soap opera. When its happened elsewhere theyve either moved them on or played them without all the fannying around.
Going by the way the club U-turns on a whim, this effectively means nothing
Okay - let’s have a debate.
I think people who have clearly assaulted a woman should not play football for a club I support! Over to you!
I wonder how much the 'fan' backlash influenced this decision. Rachel Riley and co? City soon ditched Mendy when he was charged, he was eventually found not guilty which also means his accussers were lying. The CPS dropping the case against Greenwood because they thought they couldn't secure a conviction means to me that their witnesses either couldn't stand up to cross examination or they were got at which seems to be the general perception when this stuff happens. Whatever, Mason would have been torn to bits by away crowds and some United fans, so the best decision is for him to leave, let him and his 'victim' get their lives back on track elsewhere. There is no perfect solution to this one.
We are looking to sell or loan rather than cancelling his contract with immediate effect. He's finished at United and will never wear the shirt again, but he might remain on the United books for a year or more while the club tries to shift him.
“I fully accept the clubs decision that my career should continue elsewhere. I apologize to my partner- the mother of my child, for being the sole reason that all of this occurred. I have no explanation for what was on that audio recording, but can tell you that I will never be able to forgive myself for having been the sole reason that it happened. Wherever I play football, I will be sending a portion of my salary for the rest of my career to domestic abuse charities. I cannot change what happened, but I can change who I am today, and in the future”
There you go Mason.
There you go Mason.
Thank God.
I was afraid of the club making a stupid decisions based on our shit results and form and bring him back to the team against all common sense and logic.
I was afraid of the club making a stupid decisions based on our shit results and form and bring him back to the team against all common sense and logic.
No it doesn’t.
It definitely seems highly suspect. All that statement really says is pad out what the police said - i.e. we can't charge him
You can see some fans latching onto it already without even knowing what it said, if it said anything at all.
The first sentence there is really the only one relevant to the point being made.
Well, suggesting the alleged victim was out to get something with her accusations would be a worthy one for sure.
I would have liked to know what the evidence was in that longer recording etc. though I accept they cannot do this for legal reasons.
Under the circumstances, I think Richard Arnold's communication is fine.
He does need to go abroad though and rebuild his career. I hope he has learnt his lesson, and will get help for whatever the hell is going on with him.
On another cynical note, it would be very interesting to see how the media would react if Mason actually fulfils his talent elsewhere and another English club buys him... I bet they would do a 360 and talk about he's been rehabilitated etc
Under the circumstances, I think Richard Arnold's communication is fine.
He does need to go abroad though and rebuild his career. I hope he has learnt his lesson, and will get help for whatever the hell is going on with him.
On another cynical note, it would be very interesting to see how the media would react if Mason actually fulfils his talent elsewhere and another English club buys him... I bet they would do a 360 and talk about he's been rehabilitated etc
Sure if you say so. Social media trial is what the current society is moving towards without even thinking about the repercussions.
Did anyone here bothered to see what alleged victim wanted? Or is it just scoring brownie point on internet that mattered?
the fact that this is apparently an incorrect position to same fans really tells you everything you need to know.
Why? The point being made is the club decision which is clearly about public opinion and not the legal decision.
Don't want to get involved in the rest of the matter but relationships are never easy and straightforward. You indicating "its fairly obvious" isn't really reflecting well on you. You just can't know those things, acting as if you do, is problematic, being judgy based on it, is even more problematic.
Same here... You guys have no clue about what really happend, yet you are ready to judge individuals or slam others who do it for a job with way more information than you do. Seems like "you" got your way, the player isn't going to play for us anymore. It feels a bit dodgy that you still feel the need to guess or estimate about motivations and backgrounds.
Jesus fecking wept
Then they wouldn't have bothered mentioning it
I'd like to refer to you Johnny Depp vs Amber Heard, sometime transcripts of only partial video clips are VERY misleading as are photos. This is why things should NEVER be made public until investigations criminal or otherwise are completed in full.Out of context right guys?
That's where I'm too. I know it could be sensitive stuff that they don't want to talk about, it could implicate someone else etc..I understand. But not doing it makes it impossible to clear Greenwood's name and the club should've come out with a decision long ago.
They shouldn't have made implications of his innocence or any of that - just a short statement that he's released and that's it. But we're talking about a Glazers run club. Indecisiveness and pure incompetence are their bread and butter.
We are under the Glazers' curse.
Greenwood has said in public today he did not do those things
Actually the point being made when you quoted me was what mistakes Greenwood was himself taking responsibility for in the statements we have seen.
I’m going to probably get a word after this but it needs saying, I’ve done daft things before, as have a lot people as you say.
But I don’t know a single person in my family, circle of friends, or anyone ive crossed paths with that has video evidence against them of these accusations.
Let’s be clear, if he was innocent he’d be playing for Man Utd simple as
Man, this guy really is a sick cnut. I hope that his career goes to shit.
I mean its all confusing.
It doesnt tell us whats going to happen, just that he's going to continue his career somewhere else which was always going to be the case. He was either going to be hidden elsewhere on loan hoping it would blow over in a year or two, or he was going to be sold.
It says based on the evidence he didnt do what he was charged with, which is obviously suggesting he's innocent and taking that side of things. But then also being weak in that stance and sending him away
Disappointed but with the media reacting the way they have we had absolutely no choice. Now the club needs to do the right thing and find a replacement, we need fecking goals in this team.
Said this in the other thread.
Biggest mistake was being indecisive & not setting the narrative. The way Crafton/The Athletic posed the story there was only ever one outcome.
The context here is that Greenwood was suspended by United for 18 months and had his career derailed because of an "alleged" crime that he never ended up being charged for. The language about the club believing he's guilty is probably there to cover the club in case Greenwood decides to file some kind of constructive dismissal or libel suit, which he'd have had a very strong case for if the statement said something like "we're releasing him because he beat and raped his girlfriend."
Can we go sign a midfielder now?
You can't slander someone who hasn't been successfully charged with whatever you claim he/she has done. I'm sorry but the world doesn't work that way.
Fair enough! Concluding that her allegations are false, is also not right. But we can make an assumption based on the fact that the evidence we have seen is deemed conclusive by so many people, yet the police have decided it is not enough to convict. Which means either the audio and the images are false and construed, or they are simply not conclusive enough to make a conviction. Which of these you find more plausible is ofcourse up to you.
I am so fecking proud of our club! There are things greater than money.
Without her co-operation, there wasn't enough to charge. Even less so, if she changes her story under pressure from the accused and/or a decision from her to patch thing up. They were court ordered not to meet, yet were seen doing so.
And that's not evidence either. you can be as desperate as you like to think he's guilty but I suggest you look at the Benjamin Mendy case
Yeah, I added something that goes in that direction. The statement makes sense if they are trying to justify their initial leaked decision. But it would have been better to simply not mention it.
There's a reason Johnny was given his career back.
None of the transcripts in the Depp vs Heard case are anywhere near this.
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