Trequarista10
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No, you cut them from your life.
That's a recipe for a very lonely life.
No, you cut them from your life.
I completely get that, I agree with you. It's just an incredibly complex situation where what's best for her has to be no.1 priority, and her choices have to be respected.I don’t care if he does or doesn’t play for your club again. What I do care about is people making arguments that both perpetuates a culture that leads to abusers being emboldened. There’s a long history of abusers with talent having rabid support, especially online. Which that picture you posted is a prime example of
There’s more to suggest that has happened than the flipping around of that argumentSo we're just going to assume that's the case here with zero evidence?
That's a recipe for a very lonely life.
This is impossible to know, and a dangerous conclusion to draw, given the alarming rate of domestic violence recidivism and reoccurrence.
And that is after accounting for the fact that many abusers who successfully stop abusing go through a lengthy process of therapy and acceptance of responsibility/accountability for their actions, the latter of which seems lacking in what we know about this situation, unfortunately.
I don't believe your family is perfect.No, you cut them from your life.
I completely get that, I agree with you. It's just an incredibly complex situation where what's best for her has to be no.1 priority, and her choices have to be respected.
I'm not really sure on that. He does little to no pressing or tracking back and has only faced tired opposition, currently. The talent is definitely still there from shot creation and speed, but the conditioning looks way off to me.He came on in the 68th minute after his side went down 4-2. Was involved in their goal to make it 4-3, made a promising run down the right wing, and got a curling shot off near FT, which the oppo keeper mishandled but managed to cover up. Based on his two appearances so far, he's probably ready for a bigger role beyond the usual 60th minute sub appearance.
No he wouldn’t he’d either be playing loads of reserve team football or loaned out because it’s clear that he’s nowhere near what’s required for PL yetHe's publicly stated he wants a fresh start and to resume his career.
He's not been found guilty of anything at all legally.
The victim has forgiven him, the victims family have forgiven him.
If it was a footballing decision he'd be playing for us, not loaned out to a poor Spanish team
I don't believe your family is perfect.
Oh no, all crypto and tech bros cut from your life.No, you cut them from your life.
No he wouldn’t he’d either be playing loads of reserve team football or loaned out because it’s clear that he’s nowhere near what’s required for PL yet
Exactly mate, who here hasn't had a family member or friend threaten to rape their partner? Just life innit.
How do you know this is the case with her now, are you her counselor or something? For all we know she just might not want to see the father of her baby go to prison. If the victim is willing to give him second chance, why shouldnt we? we are nobody to their relationship anyway.
More like an uncle or grandparent who might've once hit a woman before he was even born.Exactly mate, who here hasn't had a family member or friend threaten to rape their partner? Just life innit.
Very true.
It's also much easier to distance yourselves when you don't know the person, or know the nuance. Yet we all have friends and family members who have done bad things yet we forgive and/or forget, because we empathise with the complex mix of circumstances that led to them doing those things.
It gets more difficult the worse the action, and the more distant the connection. In my job, one of the patients I have worked with the past few years is a convicted killer. Yet knowing his history and the circumstances, I know that he is isn't an evil person. He's a damaged individual who was in a near impossible situation, sought help but didn't receive any, and ended up making a decision that has cost him his freedom for decades, first prison, then forensic wards, and now he's still in the psychiatric system despite his criminal sentence expiring. He's genuinely one of the kindest patients I have worked with. I can't explain the circumstances for obvious reasons because they're fairly unique to his case, but what's sad is that some people are so black and white in their thinking they won't stop to consider what possible circumstances I'm alluding to because X simply = Y. On the flip side, there's a few staff, and plenty of "regular" citizens, who have respectable jobs and public image, and yet when you get to know them it's obvious they are narcissistic, manipulative and abusive and cause pain and turmoil wherever they go. I'd trust the convicted killer I work with, with my life, I wouldn't trust some of the staff with my car keys.
I'm not really sure on that. He does little to no pressing or tracking back and has only faced tired opposition, currently. The talent is definitely still there from shot creation and speed, but the conditioning looks way off to me.
The facts of this case are anything but clear. There was no trial so no opportunity to provide a defence.I understand your point, of course, but the facts of this case are clear, uncontested and without apparent mitigation. To have MG back would be to actively look the other way, which I think many would find uncomfortable. My sister had the crap kicked out of her by her intimate partner. Like most abusers, he terrified her out of providing evidence for the case and the cops dropped it - a bit like this case. Speaking personally, the idea of playing football with someone like that would not be appealing to me at all. The idea that he’s walking around a free man, most likely doing it to other women, is infuriating.
Also, given we have a women’s team, perhaps we should be sending a message that we don’t hire people who abuse women.
So while I agree he would improve the team, I think there is a standard of basic behaviour that everyone needs to meet. Beating up and threatening women would fail to meet that standard, for me, even if the victim were subsequently dissuaded from testifying, as is the case here. Such a shame. He’s a fabulous player.
He seems to get the yard of space against a man and the shooting is still as accurate as ever on both feet. I agree, I did expect him to show more signs of rust being out that long.Although a bit expectedly rusty, he seems surprisingly more match fit than I would've previously expected for a player who was unavailable for 18 months.
He came on in the 68th minute after his side went down 4-2. Was involved in their goal to make it 4-3, made a promising run down the right wing, and got a curling shot off near FT, which the oppo keeper mishandled but managed to cover up. Based on his two appearances so far, he's probably ready for a bigger role beyond the usual 60th minute sub appearance.
Not that important but it was actually 3-2 when he came on
Getafe have 2 matches this week so he's likely to get more minutes and maybe even a start
Exactly mate, who here hasn't had a family member or friend threaten to rape their partner? Just life innit.
Very true.
It's also much easier to distance yourselves when you don't know the person, or know the nuance. Yet we all have friends and family members who have done bad things yet we forgive and/or forget, because we empathise with the complex mix of circumstances that led to them doing those things.
It gets more difficult the worse the action, and the more distant the connection. In my job, one of the patients I have worked with the past few years is a convicted killer. Yet knowing his history and the circumstances, I know that he is isn't an evil person. He's a damaged individual who was in a near impossible situation, sought help but didn't receive any, and ended up making a decision that has cost him his freedom for decades, first prison, then forensic wards, and now he's still in the psychiatric system despite his criminal sentence expiring. He's genuinely one of the kindest patients I have worked with. I can't explain the circumstances for obvious reasons because they're fairly unique to his case, but what's sad is that some people are so black and white in their thinking they won't stop to consider what possible circumstances I'm alluding to because X simply = Y. On the flip side, there's a few staff, and plenty of "regular" citizens, who have respectable jobs and public image, and yet when you get to know them it's obvious they are narcissistic, manipulative and abusive and cause pain and turmoil wherever they go. I'd trust the convicted killer I work with, with my life, I wouldn't trust some of the staff with my car keys.
Look at the evidence and make a decision, like everyone does every single day.
Rio Ferdinand might understandably be a bit unhappy with John Terry, because he racially abused his brother, even though Terry was found not guilty. Suarez wasn't even charged, yet many people believe Evra. Most non-City fans think they're dodgy, even though no crimes have been proven in a court of law. We just had a World Cup in Qatar, and it's widely accepted that this happened because of bribery and corruption. That's illegal!
An extremely iconic piece of United history is the Cantona kung fu kick. That was a crime. He wasn't charged, but technically he could have been. He is therefore treated as innocent by the state, yet no one doubts that he did it. We saw it, it's on video! We don't need to rely on the justice system, because we have eyes.
The justice system isn't infallible so I'm not sure why it tracks that you're not allowed an opinion, because it didn't go to trial.
Everyone is entitled to make their own opinion on it, but they have to truthfully answer the question I posed with would they be comfortable with someone like a daughter being in a relationship with him now - with all the information available to you now. If the answer is yes, then fair enough. As someone who's about to have a daughter, it's a hard no for me, purely for the possibility he could be a risk.
Not the point being made, and you know it.
The point was about people being absolutist in their thinking and demonising those who do wrong as being beyond forgiveness, to which I added that we all forgive the discretions of our friends and family because we have the empathy to understand what led them to make those mistakes.
I fortunately haven't had any friends or family members commit serious criminal offences. But as I said in my post, which you didn't respond to other than a snarcy quip to a response to a response to the post, I do work with a convicted murderer. I do and have worked with a large number of ex-cons. My opinion on them as people changes as I get to know them and familiarise myself with their history. There isn't one who was a demon or a monster, there wasn't one who wasn't capable of compassion, kindness, humility, respect and remorse, and there wasn't one who wasn't worthy of empathy and respect. And I've certainly had every friend or family member make numerous mistakes or unpleasant actions, from microscopic comments, to fairly significant things. If they are close family or close friends then I have some insight into the cocktail of factors which led them to making that decision, and I have (near) unconditional love for them. As do you for your family and friends.
There is a lot of potential nuance and depth to this topic. I'd suggest if you aren't capable of joining the discussion without simple, snarcy gotchas, out of context to what was actually said, in order to score kudos points on an internet forum that you've spent far too much of your life frequenting and which you use as a source of validation and social acceptance, then you're probably best off not contributing at all.
Not the point being made, and you know it.
The point was about people being absolutist in their thinking and demonising those who do wrong as being beyond forgiveness, to which I added that we all forgive the discretions of our friends and family because we have the empathy to understand what led them to make those mistakes.
I fortunately haven't had any friends or family members commit serious criminal offences. But as I said in my post, which you didn't respond to other than a snarcy quip to a response to a response to the post, I do work with a convicted murderer. I do and have worked with a large number of ex-cons. My opinion on them as people changes as I get to know them and familiarise myself with their history. There isn't one who was a demon or a monster, there wasn't one who wasn't capable of compassion, kindness, humility, respect and remorse, and there wasn't one who wasn't worthy of empathy and respect. And I've certainly had every friend or family member make numerous mistakes or unpleasant actions, from microscopic comments, to fairly significant things. If they are close family or close friends then I have some insight into the cocktail of factors which led them to making that decision, and I have (near) unconditional love for them. As do you for your family and friends.
There is a lot of potential nuance and depth to this topic. I'd suggest if you aren't capable of joining the discussion without simple, snarcy gotchas, out of context to what was actually said, in order to score kudos points on an internet forum that you've spent far too much of your life frequenting and which you use as a source of validation and social acceptance, then you're probably best off not contributing at all.
Not the point being made, and you know it.
The point was about people being absolutist in their thinking and demonising those who do wrong as being beyond forgiveness, to which I added that we all forgive the discretions of our friends and family because we have the empathy to understand what led them to make those mistakes.
I fortunately haven't had any friends or family members commit serious criminal offences. But as I said in my post, which you didn't respond to other than a snarcy quip to a response to a response to the post, I do work with a convicted murderer. I do and have worked with a large number of ex-cons. My opinion on them as people changes as I get to know them and familiarise myself with their history. There isn't one who was a demon or a monster, there wasn't one who wasn't capable of compassion, kindness, humility, respect and remorse, and there wasn't one who wasn't worthy of empathy and respect. And I've certainly had every friend or family member make numerous mistakes or unpleasant actions, from microscopic comments, to fairly significant things. If they are close family or close friends then I have some insight into the cocktail of factors which led them to making that decision, and I have (near) unconditional love for them. As do you for your family and friends.
There is a lot of potential nuance and depth to this topic. I'd suggest if you aren't capable of joining the discussion without simple, snarcy gotchas, out of context to what was actually said, in order to score kudos points on an internet forum that you've spent far too much of your life frequenting and which you use as a source of validation and social acceptance, then you're probably best off not contributing at all.
This last paragraph is well phrased and could apply to many, many posters in this thread.
The last para is broadly applicable not only in this thread, but the site in general.
Excellent post. As others have said, not even relating to this particular point or site but life really. Consideration and context helps all parties.Not the point being made, and you know it.
The point was about people being absolutist in their thinking and demonising those who do wrong as being beyond forgiveness, to which I added that we all forgive the discretions of our friends and family because we have the empathy to understand what led them to make those mistakes.
I fortunately haven't had any friends or family members commit serious criminal offences. But as I said in my post, which you didn't respond to other than a snarcy quip to a response to a response to the post, I do work with a convicted murderer. I do and have worked with a large number of ex-cons. My opinion on them as people changes as I get to know them and familiarise myself with their history. There isn't one who was a demon or a monster, there wasn't one who wasn't capable of compassion, kindness, humility, respect and remorse, and there wasn't one who wasn't worthy of empathy and respect. And I've certainly had every friend or family member make numerous mistakes or unpleasant actions, from microscopic comments, to fairly significant things. If they are close family or close friends then I have some insight into the cocktail of factors which led them to making that decision, and I have (near) unconditional love for them. As do you for your family and friends.
There is a lot of potential nuance and depth to this topic. I'd suggest if you aren't capable of joining the discussion without simple, snarcy gotchas, out of context to what was actually said, in order to score kudos points on an internet forum that you've spent far too much of your life frequenting and which you use as a source of validation and social acceptance, then you're probably best off not contributing at all.
This last paragraph is well phrased and could apply to many, many posters in this thread.
Won some kudos points on a internet forum though, so all good I guess?The last paragraph undermined his whole point. It's an unnecessary dig which is based on pure conjecture. Comments like that make someone look like a bit of a dick imo.
Nah, because I don't surround myself with people like GreenwoodThat's a recipe for a very lonely life.
Apparently that's a bridge too far..... I mean it took a pivotal moment to actually get this thread opened.does he have a player performance thread? i just want to be updated on the football side of things.
does he have a player performance thread? i just want to be updated on the football side of things.
The last paragraph undermined his whole point. It's an unnecessary dig which is based on pure conjecture. Comments like that make someone look like a bit of a dick imo.
Won some kudos points on a internet forum though, so all good I guess?
I wonder why Alvaro Fernandez isn’t getting the same slavish devotion to every kick of the ball he makes while out on loan?
Maybe. Although, on the plus side, he’s never been recorded threatening to violently rape someone. Which has to count for something, right?