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Aguero has a ridiculously low centre of gravity with a powerful core, which makes him nightmarishly difficult to fairly knock off the ball and is still explosive over 5 yards.Sure he isn't slow or weak, but he wasn't one of the fastest or strongest forward around during his premier league days.
I don't recall Augero, probably one the best striker Premier league ever had, is either really fast or very strong.
Really? I thought Aguero was very fast in his younger days and is still very strong and nimble on the ball.
Aguero has a ridiculously low centre of gravity with a powerful core, which makes him nightmarishly difficult to fairly knock off the ball and is still explosive over 5 yards.
In his younger days he was arguably the fastest over [very] short sprints in the game alongside Messi.
Imo Aguero and Messi are very similar type of player. Both looks small but actually strong as a bull and very physically resistant. They're not strong in the regular definition of strong but it's very hard for defenders to beat them in a physical challenge. Probably it's because of their tough legs and great balance with low center of gravity.
And that combines with their crazy acceleration, agility, dribbling, the ability to change direction at high speed is what make them so unique imo. In contrast to popular belief, Messi doesn't have a great pace. But his acceleration with the ball is just terrifying. Same thing with Aguero.
Mason is just not that type of player.
I see what you mean, and if you read my post you'd see I said that he'd be a 100 £m player one day. There are a lot great attacking players with average pace or acceleration. My point is he'd be much better if he's a bit faster and stronger. He's still very young, still developing physically and there's still room for this imo.Sure they are different type of players. But I don't see why we need to have certain criteria for forward players to succeed in Premier league.
Fast, strong, low centre of gravity, or whatever you call it. It doesn't have to be it, although with those players will usually have more advantages over others.
Greenwood doesn't have any of it, yet he already scored 9 goals midway through the season. Not a huge amount, but way better than 99% of 18 year old kid out there. He only rely on finishing and technique, and finding space to shoot at whatever angle. If thats what he has, and thats what he does it better than others, then its good enough for me.
Sorry I gotta reply you here, I run out of quota.should he bulk up and improve his strength instead? Maybe, but then he may loss some of agility he has which works well with his technique, and which enables him to find space to shoot.
I don't recall Augero, probably one the best striker Premier league ever had, is either really fast or very strong.
I see what you mean, and if you read my post you'd see I said that he'd be a 100 £m player one day. There are a lot great attacking players with average pace or acceleration. My point is he'd be much better if he's a bit faster and stronger. He's still very young, still developing physically and there's still room for this imo.
And tbh I'm a bit worried about both his max speed and strength in the future. Atm he's not strong/physical enough to play as a #9, and not fast enough to play as a winger (both pace and acceleration).
I don't mean to play down his talent, I just want to look at him as he is. It seems Ole has realised this as well saying this:
""He has grown into his frame, he won't get much quicker now so it's all about what's going on between the ears."
Hope he, Ole and the coaches are doing their best to help him on this. If he can get a bit faster and stronger, what a beast we'd have for the next decade.
I've spoken about this in the past too.On the subject of his pace, I don't think we've seen enough yet to truly form a definitive opinion on it. He has just recently become an adult, 18 years of age.
I remember reading what his youth coach said about him, and to quote the following article:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/10570399/mason-greenwood-man-utd/
"I think he’s his own man. I’ve not seen another player like him. His style means his pace is deceptive because he is absolutely rapid."
“I think he turned up at a Great Britain under-13 100m sprint race and broke the Great Britain record."
"All the athletics people were after him at one point. Athletically he’s unbelievable.”
You don't just lose that natural athleticism suddenly, I just think it's more a case he hasn't shown it yet.
@Adnan ....if I'm correct you've mentioned that you've seen/known him from a very young age. Perhaps you could give your opinion on it?
Hate to be that guy. He's young and he'll improve and he is one of the most fantastic prospect in the club but that was far from the level of standard we need to see at the club. Apart from one lay off to Martial he was hiding during the game, doesn't fill me with much confidence to start against Liverpool just yet.
I mean he's just turned 18 a few months ago. How many strikers are in their peak in terms of level of standard required by then? The inconsistency is going to happenHate to be that guy. He's young and he'll improve and he is one of the most fantastic prospect in the club but that was far from the level of standard we need to see at the club. Apart from one lay off to Martial he was hiding during the game, doesn't fill me with much confidence to start against Liverpool just yet.
Good analysis. His movement is superb. Got a bit desperate at times and mistimed some runs. Without more of an involvement on the ball, it seemed like a rather dull performance overall but I agree with your post actually, and to me he is a striker and a lot of great strikers did that ghost thing, invisible just up until they aren't.Watch the game again and focus on his movement when United attack; he’s literally a ghost to the defenders, but also the primitives in red who constantly ignore him.
A few occasions Martial and Fred shot rather than find him in space; if he’s playing with De Bruyne, Silva, Eriksen etc he gets 3 clear chances in the box, of which he’ll likely score 2.
Should be playing as a #10 and gradually #9, rather than wide; he’s like a Van Persie/Rivaldo type player, and most of his best work will be done within the width of the 18 yard box.
What’s impressed me most is that he’s acknowledged his physical limitations at senior level, so keeps the ball moving rather than inviting - and losing - duels; once he fills out he’ll be fine, but for now he is doing the right thing.
Good post.Watch the game again and focus on his movement when United attack; he’s literally a ghost to the defenders, but also the primitives in red who constantly ignore him.
A few occasions Martial and Fred shot rather than find him in space; if he’s playing with De Bruyne, Silva, Eriksen etc he gets 3 clear chances in the box, of which he’ll likely score 2.
Should be playing as a #10 and gradually #9, rather than wide; he’s like a Van Persie/Rivaldo type player, and most of his best work will be done within the width of the 18 yard box.
What’s impressed me most is that he’s acknowledged his physical limitations at senior level, so keeps the ball moving rather than inviting - and losing - duels; once he fills out he’ll be fine, but for now he is doing the right thing.
Watch the game again and focus on his movement when United attack; he’s literally a ghost to the defenders, but also the primitives in red who constantly ignore him.
A few occasions Martial and Fred shot rather than find him in space; if he’s playing with De Bruyne, Silva, Eriksen etc he gets 3 clear chances in the box, of which he’ll likely score 2.
Should be playing as a #10 and gradually #9, rather than wide; he’s like a Van Persie/Rivaldo type player, and most of his best work will be done within the width of the 18 yard box.
What’s impressed me most is that he’s acknowledged his physical limitations at senior level, so keeps the ball moving rather than inviting - and losing - duels; once he fills out he’ll be fine, but for now he is doing the right thing.
Quiet game from Mason today, but thats to be expected. The one crticism I have of him though is his casual nature. I understand thats his style and it probably wont change, but I want to see him a bit busier. Pressing, running off the ball, etc. Other than that, he's probably surpassed everyone's expectations this season.
He seems to have a much bigger impact coming on as a sub than as a starter. Still got some way to go before he'll become a first team regular. Plenty of time for him to do that, of course.
While he's fit enough, he's not up to the standard of a top EPL player, he's going to struggle for endurance against a team like Wolves. That was a tough assignment for him, on the same side as Traore, I suspect the coaches are pretty happy.
I agree, I just think it's too much to ask of a guy who just turned 18 to have the fitness levels it takes to do that. So he's pacing himself. But that being said he isn't that strong on the defensive end, and he certainly does need to get more aggressive there.I understand as the game advances he will get tired, however I'd like to see more intense running from him, both on and off the ball. Rashford did this when coming in to the team at such a young age. This opinion was not formed against just Wolves either. Its something ive said about him before. Other than that, as I said, he's been fantastic and surpassed expectations.
Hate to be that guy. He's young and he'll improve and he is one of the most fantastic prospect in the club but that was far from the level of standard we need to see at the club. Apart from one lay off to Martial he was hiding during the game, doesn't fill me with much confidence to start against Liverpool just yet.
