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I've seen the same but didn't want to mention it because I thought I'd be called a loony.I’ll be honest, I see some of Lionel Messi in him. Technically, he is without flaw. In addition to his fantastic goalscoring, be does everything right. The simple things, that a lot of forwards struggle with, especially young ones. He takes the ball under pressure, keeps it from the defender, and lays it off to a teammate every single time. He plays the right pass all the time. He dribbles effectively yet economically. He is a complete forward in the making. Creativity, ball retention, dribbling , passing and finishing all at a potentially elite level, and a good physique and speed to go with it. I was adamant that I didn’t want Haaland because of him, and I stand by that. He is outrageous.
I've seen the same but didn't want to mention it because I thought I'd be called a loony.
I’ll be honest, I see some of Lionel Messi in him. Technically, he is without flaw. In addition to his fantastic goalscoring, be does everything right. The simple things, that a lot of forwards struggle with, especially young ones. He takes the ball under pressure, keeps it from the defender, and lays it off to a teammate every single time. He plays the right pass all the time. He dribbles effectively yet economically. He is a complete forward in the making. Creativity, ball retention, dribbling , passing and finishing all at a potentially elite level, and a good physique and speed to go with it. I was adamant that I didn’t want Haaland because of him, and I stand by that. He is outrageous.
Whilst I rate Greenwood extremely highly, I'm not sure he's more talented than Martial, let alone Messi. Messi was being talked about as the future best player of all time when he was 16/17 by people inside and outside Barcelona. I realise you aren't comparing him to Messi, but I'm struggling to see many similarities in their playing style at all.I’ll be honest, I see some of Lionel Messi in him. Technically, he is without flaw. In addition to his fantastic goalscoring, be does everything right. The simple things, that a lot of forwards struggle with, especially young ones. He takes the ball under pressure, keeps it from the defender, and lays it off to a teammate every single time. He plays the right pass all the time. He dribbles effectively yet economically. He is a complete forward in the making. Creativity, ball retention, dribbling , passing and finishing all at a potentially elite level, and a good physique and speed to go with it. I was adamant that I didn’t want Haaland because of him, and I stand by that. He is outrageous.
Whilst I rate Greenwood extremely highly, I'm not sure he's more talented than Martial, let alone Messi. Messi was being talked about as the future best player of all time when he was 16/17 by people inside and outside Barcelona. I realise you aren't comparing him to Messi, but I'm struggling to see many similarities in their playing style at all.
This made me smile.
Greenwood has no significant weaknesses to his game. Those that knew him were also speaking of the certainty of his greatness since he was 16. He does everything at a very high level. Except heading, which is neither here nor there, he could become an all-time great without ever improving his heading.
There’s a cleanliness to his technique, his handling of the ball in every single phase of the game, not just the much discussed finishing, that I find extremely rare for someone his age. Something I don’t think I saw since Messi, who could also dribble, pass, finish, create etc at a very high level - plus make the right decisions consistently as a teenager.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mason trumps the competition and becomes the heir to Messi personally. In terms of minutes, he’s player 21 games this season, and has 15 goals. As a 17-18 gear old, not playing centre forward. Most of the goals he’s created for himself, and he can also create for others. I think he’s more talented than Martial personally. He’s not a ‘natural goalscorer’, he’s a ‘natural footballer’. So pure.
I agree, he's supremely talented but I don't think he's as big a talent as Messi, he doesn't have that incredible pace or close control. He could well end up being the best in the world but I think Martial is just as if not more talented. I'm just delighted we have both and they're looking great along with Rashford.Greenwood has no significant weaknesses to his game. Those that knew him were also speaking of the certainty of his greatness since he was 16. He does everything at a very high level. Except heading, which is neither here nor there, he could become an all-time great without ever improving his heading.
There’s a cleanliness to his technique, his handling of the ball in every single phase of the game, not just the much discussed finishing, that I find extremely rare for someone his age. Something I don’t think I saw since Messi, who could also dribble, pass, finish, create etc at a very high level - plus make the right decisions consistently as a teenager.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mason trumps the competition and becomes the heir to Messi personally. In terms of minutes, he’s player 21 games this season, and has 15 goals. As a 17-18 gear old, not playing centre forward. Most of the goals he’s created for himself, and he can also create for others. I think he’s more talented than Martial personally. He’s not a ‘natural goalscorer’, he’s a ‘natural footballer’. So pure.
Sorry mate, I have to strongly disagree. You prefer Martial, fair enough, but in no way was Martial a bigger talent at 19 than Greenwood is now at 18 even. In some respects I’m sure, like Martial was more physically developed (maybe). I love Martial, though clearly not as much as you!Greenwood's finishing talent is all time great and if compared to Martial he's simply the more talented finisher. But Martial is still more talented than him because outside of finishing where Martial himself is terrific himself, a 19 year old Martial in his first season simply showed more talent and abilities outside finishing(he was no slouch in this department either) than Mason.
I think what goes against Martial are the 3 years spent under Mourinho which stunted his growth by a lot. I remember threads on the Caf claiming they wouldn't swap Martial for anyone in the world. At 19 he showed finishing, dribbling, pace, good pacing and maturity in his game that current Greenwood has yet to show. Talent is a funny thing, if not nurtured right, it get wasted and easily forgotten.
Greenwood is a more talented finisher than Martial but the latter at 19 was a better talent than Greenwood overall. The good thing about Greenwood is that he has the chance to nurture his talent in a good environment with a manager that will trust him and let him grow, something which was not afforded to Martial and Rashford. They should have started capitalizing on their talents a few years ago rather than starting now.
Greenwood's finishing talent is all time great and if compared to Martial he's simply the more talented finisher. But Martial is still more talented than him because outside of finishing where Martial himself is terrific himself, a 19 year old Martial in his first season simply showed more talent and abilities outside finishing(he was no slouch in this department either) than Mason.
I think what goes against Martial are the 3 years spent under Mourinho which stunted his growth by a lot. I remember threads on the Caf claiming they wouldn't swap Martial for anyone in the world. At 19 aside from finishing(again in which he was good himself), he showed dribbling, pace, technical abilities and maturity in his game that current Greenwood has yet to show. Talent is a funny thing, if not nurtured right, it get wasted and easily forgotten.
Greenwood is a more talented finisher than Martial but the latter at 19 was a better talent than Greenwood overall. The good thing about Greenwood is that he has the chance to nurture his talent in a good environment with a manager that will trust him and let him grow, something which was not afforded to Martial and Rashford. They should have started capitalizing on their talents a few years ago rather than starting now.
I agree, he's supremely talented but I don't think he's as big a talent as Messi, he doesn't have that incredible pace or close control. He could well end up being the best in the world but I think Martial is just as if not more talented. I'm just delighted we have both and they're looking great along with Rashford.
Mason is incredibly talented as a overall player but his finishing is so all time great level that it just strikes you more. Reason I say and emphasis about his finishing ability. especially compared to Martial is because it's that obvious whereas the other part of his games can;t really be said to be better. His finishing is clearly and obviously better than Martial hence why it pops up more.The sample with Mase is so small in terms of games at the moment, and I think his finishing is the current topic of conversation. That said, he is so much more than a brilliant finisher. When the ball comes to him 40 yards from goal, he is effective with it under pressure. He’s economic with his dribbling, but he doesn’t struggle to go past players. His touch is so tidy, he’ll spin away from an opponent and lay it off retaining possession far more often than players of his age usually do.
The rest of his game isn’t as flash yet, but it is so polished already. Half of his goals have involved him beating a defender first. It’s just so effortless, he’s not a Sancho type of player, but I’m sure statistically, he has a very high rate of dribbling success. Likewise passing success.
No they aren’t. Goals in the prem are the metric we use to chart how good a player in a prem team really is. Greenwood scored a fair few in Europa against some not so great teams.Why are we looking at PL goals? Goals in all competitions are a much better metric...
No they aren’t. Goals in the prem are the metric we use to chart how good a player in a prem team really is. Greenwood scored a fair few in Europa against some not so great teams.
I honestly expect him to be one of the top scorer in the league next season if he start regularly. That's how ridiculously rare his finishing abilities are. In terms of scoring goals his talent in that department remind me of Messi, not quite young Ronaldo yet but not far off either. Heck I'll wait to see how he ends this season to see if he can be compared to Il Fenomenon finishing talent.
Mason is incredibly talented as a overall player but his finishing is so all time great level that it just strikes you more. Reason I say and emphasis about his finishing ability. especially compared to Martial is because it's that obvious whereas the other part of his games can;t really be said to be better. His finishing is clearly and obviously better than Martial hence why it pops up more.
Overall game wise, Martial was terrorizing PL defenders and his overall game was just so mature and technical which I haven't seen current Mason show. In fact it's only lately that Mason has finally started showing more to his game in the league beside his ridiculous finishing. He used to just be on the periphery of game and just be quiet. He's currently showing more than just finishing and like someone mentioned somewhere it could have had to do with him filling himself first into the first team before being free to play his entire game.
You're right about the sample size for Mason being small and next year he could show a better overall game than Martial's first season but so far his finishing is the one obvious thing that separate him from Martial or anyone for that matter while he's yet to show Martial overall and technical abilities.
That was weird. I wonder if he did it just to look cool, or he actually is right-footed, but extremely comfortable with the left foot.15 goals this season, 12 on his left foot, and 3 on his right... Which would be normal if one of those right footed goals wasn't a penalty. Weirdo.
The Premier league is full of woeful teamsNo they aren’t. Goals in the prem are the metric we use to chart how good a player in a prem team really is. Greenwood scored a fair few in Europa against some not so great teams.
Likely.The thing is if him, Rashford and Martial played an equal amount of minutes next season I reckon Greenwood would comfortably score more than the other two.
Feel he’s too much of a goal threat not to play 90 mins every week. Needs a half chance to score and can create that for himself too.
The thing is if him, Rashford and Martial played an equal amount of minutes next season I reckon Greenwood would comfortably score more than the other two.
Feel he’s too much of a goal threat not to play 90 mins every week. Needs a half chance to score and can create that for himself too.
Apparently he takes all his pens with his right foot since youth level. What I heard is that he once missed a pen with his left foot so decided to take all his penalties with his right foot from that point on.That was weird. I wonder if he did it just to look cool, or he actually is right-footed, but extremely comfortable with the left foot.
I have no idea which is weirder than other, but I don't think that I've ever seen a player taking a penalty with his weaker foot (I have seen free-kicks and corners, but not pens).
Apparently he takes all his pens with his right foot since youth level. What I heard is that he once missed a pen with his left foot so decided to take all his penalties with his right foot from that point on.
Same here. When people were fussing about Haaland, my mind kept thinking this guy is like a year older than Mason while the latter is a lot more talented. Of course Haaland has had time to show his talent on stage while Mason has finally gotten his opportunity this season.I wouldnt change him for Haaland, thats how high I rate him.
100% agree.Greenwood has no significant weaknesses to his game. Those that knew him were also speaking of the certainty of his greatness since he was 16. He does everything at a very high level. Except heading, which is neither here nor there, he could become an all-time great without ever improving his heading.
There’s a cleanliness to his technique, his handling of the ball in every single phase of the game, not just the much discussed finishing, that I find extremely rare for someone his age. Something I don’t think I saw since Messi, who could also dribble, pass, finish, create etc at a very high level - plus make the right decisions consistently as a teenager.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Mason trumps the competition and becomes the heir to Messi personally. In terms of minutes, he’s player 21 games this season, and has 15 goals. As a 17-18 gear old, not playing centre forward. Most of the goals he’s created for himself, and he can also create for others. I think he’s more talented than Martial personally. He’s not a ‘natural goalscorer’, he’s a ‘natural footballer’. So pure.
It’s not that they are more or less important, it’s just they are an easier way to chart the relative success of players. If we were looking at day Aguero vs Rashford and Rashford has scored more overall goals, mostly coming in the EL, but Agüero had scored more Premier league goals by some distance, then you would be right to argue Agüero had a more successful season. It’s the only real way to compare the two players as they’re playing mostly the same opponents.he scored in EL playing alongside not so great teammates (Lingard etc), while started very few PL matches.
Besides, contrary to some other clubs, ManUtd actually tries to WIN EL and domestic cup, and a trophy is something that stays forever in club’s history book. As such, cup goals are by no means less important than PL goals - this season at least.
I'm glad someone mentioned he's had some quiet games, his average Caf rating is only 5.8, which doesn't match how people are talking about his season.I honestly expect him to be one of the top scorer in the league next season if he start regularly. That's how ridiculously rare his finishing abilities are. In terms of scoring goals his talent in that department remind me of Messi, not quite young Ronaldo yet but not far off either. Heck I'll wait to see how he ends this season to see if he can be compared to Il Fenomenon finishing talent.
Mason is incredibly talented as a overall player but his finishing is so all time great level that it just strikes you more. Reason I say and emphasis about his finishing ability. especially compared to Martial is because it's that obvious whereas the other part of his games can;t really be said to be better. His finishing is clearly and obviously better than Martial hence why it pops up more.
Overall game wise, Martial was terrorizing PL defenders and his overall game was just so mature and technical which I haven't seen current Mason show. In fact it's only lately that Mason has finally started showing more to his game in the league beside his ridiculous finishing. He used to just be on the periphery of game and just be quiet. He's currently showing more than just finishing and like someone mentioned somewhere it could have had to do with him filling himself first into the first team before being free to play his entire game.
You're right about the sample size for Mason being small and next year he could show a better overall game than Martial's first season but so far his finishing is the one obvious thing that separate him from Martial or anyone for that matter while he's yet to show Martial overall and technical abilities.
Everything you've said is displayed in this video. We need a greenwood hive!I’ll be honest, I see some of Lionel Messi in him. Technically, he is without flaw. In addition to his fantastic goalscoring, be does everything right. The simple things, that a lot of forwards struggle with, especially young ones. He takes the ball under pressure, keeps it from the defender, and lays it off to a teammate every single time. He plays the right pass all the time. He dribbles effectively yet economically. He is a complete forward in the making. Creativity, ball retention, dribbling , passing and finishing all at a potentially elite level, and a good physique and speed to go with it. I was adamant that I didn’t want Haaland because of him, and I stand by that. He is outrageous.