Film Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

caid said:
And i dont really feel like Denis Villeneuve for instance had to go out and prove himself with some paint by numbers hollywood bilge to get a big budget. He just made good movies from step one and the budgets he had access to increased. Which is kind of fair enough.
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True although his big budget films so far haven’t been original stories. Part of why he can make these movies is due to the nostalgia - Blade Runner 2049 or Dune pt 1. Tbh I was surprised he got another go after Blade Runner bombed.

I guess we have to wait and see what will happen after the next Dune film. But like even if it does well, I’m still expecting him to have to again revamp a old sci fi classic.

caid said:
Giving a 400m budget for some auteur project after one decent batman movie kind of seems ill advised.
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All best movies are ill advised!

But really the guy had also made two planet of the apes films before and is in his mid 50’s. What more could he do in terms of working the system ?

I guess it could be a case of him not wanting do anything original but well that’s more depressing to think about.
 
Sweet Square said:
True although his big budget films so far haven’t been original stories. Part of why he can make these movies is due to the nostalgia - Blade Runner 2049 or Dune pt 1. Tbh I was surprised he got another go after Blade Runner bombed.

I guess we have to wait and see what will happen after the next Dune film. But like even if it does well, I’m still expecting him to have to again revamp a old sci fi classic.


All best movies are ill advised!

But really the guy had also made two planet of the apes films before and is in his mid 50’s. What more could he do in terms of working the system ?

I guess it could be a case of him not wanting do anything original but well that’s more depressing to think about.
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I think thats the case with Dune anyway. Or at least Villeneuve does a good job of selling the idea that he's really passionate about adapting it rather than struggling to get more interesting stuff going.
As for batman and planet of the apes person ... I dont know. I kind of presume that he'd be able to get something more obscure green lit if he really wanted to. Might have been a bit of a struggle before batman i guess.
I dont really know what you need a 400m budget for if its not an effects laden, sci fi, adventure movie though. If your making a film about 2 guys sitting at a table for an hour and half like the sunset limited it just doesn't need to cost a fraction of that. Even something like Baraka which you'd expect to be pretty expensive with the billion locations and it probably being difficult to film in some of the places and get equipment out to it only cost 2m apparently.
 
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It's impossible to fill up that many screens, right ?

The neoliberal dystopia is every major city covered in vacant apartments to expensive to live in and multiplex cinema running non stop marvel films to an empty seats.
 
Do marvel fans know they don't have to go to every marvel film that comes out?
 
caid said:
I think thats the case with Dune anyway. Or at least Villeneuve does a good job of selling the idea that he's really passionate about adapting it rather than struggling to get more interesting stuff going.
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In Villeneuve's defence, Dune is what he wanted to do all along, since his teens or something. But yeah, I'm also curious where he goes next. I hope he'll move back to his smaller dramas, those were excellent.
 
Cheimoon said:
In Villeneuve's defence, Dune is what he wanted to do all along, since his teens or something. But yeah, I'm also curious where he goes next. I hope he'll move back to his smaller dramas, those were excellent.
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Have you seen Prisoners? Been on my Netflix list for ages but have never gotten round to it. I don't quite know why, I've liked his other stuff.
 
Eckers99 said:
Have you seen Prisoners? Been on my Netflix list for ages but have never gotten round to it. I don't quite know why, I've liked his other stuff.
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Prisoners and Enemy appeared on my Netflix recently but I haven't seen them yet. I'm quite looking forward to them. :) (And I wish they'd also add Polytechnique and Maelström - that'd complete his career for me.)

His French Wiki page now lists Rendezvous with Rama as his next film after Dune pt 2. I think that would be a great project for him. Another SF extravaganza, sure, but I think the book really lends itself to a movie in Villeneuve's slow style with beautiful static shots. And it's not a remake or franchise. ;)
 
Cheimoon said:
Prisoners and Enemy appeared on my Netflix recently but I haven't seen them yet.
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Prisoners is excellent! A must watch for sure.

Enemy is something very different from the rest of Villeneuve's body of work. Quite a strange movie in some ways, but still overall interesting.
 
Cheimoon said:
Prisoners and Enemy appeared on my Netflix recently but I haven't seen them yet. I'm quite looking forward to them. :) (And I wish they'd also add Polytechnique and Maelström - that'd complete his career for me.)

His French Wiki page now lists Rendezvous with Rama as his next film after Dune pt 2. I think that would be a great project for him. Another SF extravaganza, sure, but I think the book really lends itself to a movie in Villeneuve's slow style with beautiful static shots. And it's not a remake or franchise. ;)
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Prisoners is brilliant.
 
Cheimoon said:
In Villeneuve's defence, Dune is what he wanted to do all along, since his teens or something. But yeah, I'm also curious where he goes next. I hope he'll move back to his smaller dramas, those were excellent.
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I'm really enjoying his sci fi stuff. Sci Fi even getting made feels notable and I'm trying to enjoy it while it lasts. Youtube keeps telling me he wants to make Rendezvous with Rama, which i've never heard of but the thumbnail looks cool.
I really liked enemy, its deeply weird (and another book i never heard of but apparently he took a lot of liberties).
I think i'm fine with adaptations in principle.
 
Lads Ad Astra is on my netflix now. Critics love it but audience hates it. Is it worth watching?
 
Hugh Jass said:
Lads Ad Astra is on my netflix now. Critics love it but audience hates it. Is it worth watching?
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Dont remember it that much but i really enjoyed it. Many seemed to get pissed off with the last half hour i think? I think it was quite long and the ending wasn't very satisfying.
 
caid said:
I'm really enjoying his sci fi stuff. Sci Fi even getting made feels notable and I'm trying to enjoy it while it lasts. Youtube keeps telling me he wants to make Rendezvous with Rama, which i've never heard of but the thumbnail looks cool.
I really liked enemy, its deeply weird (and another book i never heard of but apparently he took a lot of liberties).
I think i'm fine with adaptations in principle.
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Lots of films are adaptations, I don't see any issue with that.

I read Rendezvous with Rama. It's not a action book or something epic like Dune. A spaceship is discovered travelling through the solar system, so Earth assembles a crew to visit the ship and find out what's in it. There are some adventures on and in the ship (which I won't spoiler), but it's cerebral more than anything else.
 
Cheimoon said:
Lots of films are adaptations, I don't see any issue with that.

I read Rendezvous with Rama. It's not a action book or something epic like Dune. A spaceship is discovered travelling through the solar system, so Earth assembles a crew to visit the ship and find out what's in it. There are some adventures on and in the ship (which I won't spoiler), but it's cerebral more than anything else.
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Yeah i've taken to trying to go into every movie blind these days. Recent Spiderman trailer having pretty much every story beat of the movie has thought me to avoid as much as possible.
I'll do the same with Rendezvous with Rama. Arthur C Clarke is an easy name to give the benefit of the doubt to and go in blind (so is villeneuve at this point actually)
 
caid said:
Dont remember it that much but i really enjoyed it. Many seemed to get pissed off with the last half hour i think? I think it was quite long and the ending wasn't very satisfying.
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Really conflicting reviews. Sister saw it as well and thought it was terrible.
 
Apocalypse Now in space only less interesting but still somewhat enjoyable.
 
They're terrible, terrible movies. Every single one of them. Half my office we're off to see the latest incarnation this evening but I dediced to add to my burgeoning popularity and not go. Someone has to take a stand.
 
Eckers99 said:
Have you seen Prisoners? Been on my Netflix list for ages but have never gotten round to it. I don't quite know why, I've liked his other stuff.
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I watched this last weekend. My 13 year old watched it at a sleepover and was completely freaked out so I watched it in order to have a chat with him about it. It’s excellent. Super dark though.
 
Hugh Jass said:
Lads Ad Astra is on my netflix now. Critics love it but audience hates it. Is it worth watching?
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I thought it was great. A pretty distinct adaptation of Heart of Darkness.
 
Hugh Jass said:
I will give it a go. Coming on tuesday. Doctor Sleep as well is coming.
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Doctor Sleep Director’s Cut was on Prime not long ago - might be worth seeing if it’s still on there too.
 
Cheimoon said:
Prisoners and Enemy appeared on my Netflix recently but I haven't seen them yet. I'm quite looking forward to them. :) (And I wish they'd also add Polytechnique and Maelström - that'd complete his career for me.)

His French Wiki page now lists Rendezvous with Rama as his next film after Dune pt 2. I think that would be a great project for him. Another SF extravaganza, sure, but I think the book really lends itself to a movie in Villeneuve's slow style with beautiful static shots. And it's not a remake or franchise. ;)
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Pogue Mahone said:
I watched this last weekend. My 13 year old watched it at a sleepover and was completely freaked out so I watched it in order to have a chat with him about it. It’s excellent. Super dark though.
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Cheers both. Yeah, it looks dark and potentially fraught. Fair play to Villeneuve, he's taken on 2 of the biggest challenges in sci-fi and done a pretty impressive job with both. Dune alone had driven a few directors close to the edge. Can't fault his ambition. And his films look absolutely spectacular.
 
Hugh Jass said:
Lads Ad Astra is on my netflix now. Critics love it but audience hates it. Is it worth watching?
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Dunno if you've watched it yet but it's a very interesting adaptation of Heart of Darkness, as someone pointed out. James Gray is a great director. Really want to rewatch We own the night actually.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Prisoners is excellent! A must watch for sure.

Enemy is something very different from the rest of Villeneuve's body of work. Quite a strange movie in some ways, but still overall interesting.
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I agree, Prisoners is amazing.

Enemy is quite strange and you'll find many people that don't like it or were just confused. But if you like "Mindfeck" movies I'd recommend people to see it.
 
BayernFan87 said:
Enemy is quite strange and you'll find many people that don't like it or were just confused. But if you like "Mindfeck" movies I'd recommend people to see it.
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I was super confused, but still liked it. I think it's intentionally meant to be that way. It was one of those movies, where I had to watch several different analyses afterwards to get different takes on the symbolism etc.

Also, how much did the ending creep you out? Took me a while to get that out of my head.
 
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Multiverse of madness. Sounds exactly like a Troy McClure movie.
 
Felt like a cinema trip, checked my two nearest cinemas and this stupid new Marvel film has basically taken ownership of 90% of the screens, leaving very few slots for other movies.

Feels like the death of cinema. Piss off.
 
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