Right but, would you genuinely walk through "fire a brimstone" for a boss like Mourinho, if he was your boss in the real world, in a job you had, could you honestly say you wouldn't hate working for this miserable shadow of a manager that has proven he will throw you under the bus as many times as it takes to cover his own ass? I wouldn't, inspires absolutely 0 confidence in me, I wonder what the players think.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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Right but, would you genuinely walk through "fire a brimstone" for a boss like Mourinho, if he was your boss in the real world, in a job you had, could you honestly say you wouldn't hate working for this miserable shadow of a manager that has proven he will throw you under the bus as many times as it takes to cover his own ass? I wouldn't, inspires absolutely 0 confidence in me, I wonder what the players think.
It's the following part of Jose's statement that I personally find interesting
The fact that he outright states "he should be here" suggests to me that there was an agreement and that Martial's reneged on it. If that's the case then I can see why Mourinho would be irate.
Martial can do one as far as I'm concerned. He barely tried an inch in his 2 pre season games. Contrast his efforts with Sanchez and you see a vast difference, guy is a sneak.
Clearly he wants out.
The whole thing is doing my head in.
The fact that we're probably going to sell one of the best young players in England annoys me. People who believe that somehow Martial is disrespecting everybody by going home the birth of his child annoys me. Martial FC who are under the impression that Martial can be the best player in the world ever and the reason he isn't has nothing to do with Martial it's everybody else.
The whole thing is twisting my melon and I just want it to be over one way or another.
The whole thing is doing my head in.
The fact that we're probably going to sell one of the best young players in England annoys me. People who believe that somehow Martial is disrespecting everybody by going home the birth of his child annoys me. Martial FC who are under the impression that Martial can be the best player in the world ever and the reason he isn't has nothing to do with Martial it's everybody else.
The whole thing is twisting my melon and I just want it to be over one way or another.
Like Nani and Anderson you mean? Or Berbatov?
Fergie was happy to indulge skillful players, even when they weren't particularly hard-working. Let's not rewrite history to suit our narratives.
This.
I've worked in the football media, which should be the second-best job for a football fan behind actually playing. And people still sulk, bitch and slack off all the time. It's the same in all walks of life.
Most people on the Caf would react the same way as Martial, I'd wager. There's no point being the bigger person and trying to win over a bully. You're better off getting out of there.
I knew when France won the world cup, Martial was gone. I'm sure Martial is probably thinking Jose deprived him of a once in a lifetime chance of lifting the cup. (and he's not wrong)
If he doesn't want to play for the club sell him. Simples.
It's a ridiculous idea, no reasonable person would expect that of their employee.
If he thinks that then he is wrong, delusional and passing the buck. He had chances and didn't impress either Mourinho or Deschamp enough to warrant continued selection. No one to blame but himself.
The sooner he goes at this point the better as this is likely to get increasingly toxic until he's out the door.
His level of performance drop when Jose brought competitors for him. That's literally a sign of weak mentality and attitude. Hopefully he is gone before this transfer window ends along with all his fanbase here. We need a fighter , not just a dribbling merchant.
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The sooner him and his atrocious stupid chant are gone the better. Guy was a flop in my eyes.
Deschamps dropped him as well after his poor performances for France. Martial has only himself to blame
Couldn’t agree more.
Deschamps has the small luxury of selecting players like Griezmann, Dembele, Mbappe, Fekir we have Lingard, Mata, Rashford and Alexis who was dreadful and all of them were average at best. If any of the United quartet were French, none of them would have went to the World Cup.
I see it's become a theme of blaming everything on Martial, it would have been ok if the other attackers were tearing it, ours have been shit mostly.
Martial was only competing with two of those players and from February on Rashford and Sanchez while both poor had better performances than Martial did. That’s why he didn’t play.
If he sulked because of competition, if his performance level dropped because of competition ,then that's more the reason of why we should sell him.
He started games around the Euros. But since he was terrible in all the games, he was dropped and never to be seen again since. His attitude really seems to be the problem above all
Mourinho fell out with Cristiano Ronaldo who is probably the most professional player in the game today.
He's fallen out badly with far too many players to take his side.
He's fallen out badly with far too many players to take his side.
He wasn't terrible that's an exaggeration, several players were at the same level and it was good enough for the bench, the problem for Martial is that with France he competes with players that are more versatile and fits the potential tactical changes better. Unlike others Martial competes for a starting role or he stays at home.
This is exactly the problem and the only explanation I can come up with is that he is getting his excuses in early and on record.
Martials worse performances were on par with Sanchez' best last season. One is young unfulfilled talent, the other is a world class experienced player. One gets stick for his attitude, the other gets praised for his work rate of losing the ball but then running around to get it back, only to lose it again.
Lets also not forget Rashford was appauling in many games too, but being from Manchester and 'trying hard' seem to win fans over.
Martial is evidently more talented than most people his age and when his on song, his a joy to watch. People are quick to point out his performances dropping in form, but forget he wasnt the only one putting in sub par performances so why is he taking all the blame for it?
He links up better with Lukaku than Rashford and Sanchez have done. He is probably the best finisher in terms of composure bar the odd game he missed a few. He may have some attitude problems, its difficult to tell without knowing what goes on behind the scenes, but there was a time he was coming on and scoring day in day out. He then didnt score or assist for a few games and all of a sudden gets dropped for a new replacement and he has to accomodate them and share positions.
World class players dont always manage to adjust to other positions or switching around - Pogba as an example. Yet Martial is expected to do just that at click of a finger.
The problem is Jose mis-management. You want your forwards to create chances and score them, and he Martial had most player of months and great stats in both those aspects and then gets almost shunted out to the sidelines for a new arrival.
If Martial performed anything like Sanchez did since his been here my god this forum would lose its NUTS! Yet we need to allow Sanchez time to stop losing the ball (which his always done) and put our potentially best player on the side to watch him do that.
Itll be a shame when he goes, which seems the likely outcome now, because he wont be a Depay itll be more of a Pogba type scenario.
Lets also not forget Rashford was appauling in many games too, but being from Manchester and 'trying hard' seem to win fans over.
Martial is evidently more talented than most people his age and when his on song, his a joy to watch. People are quick to point out his performances dropping in form, but forget he wasnt the only one putting in sub par performances so why is he taking all the blame for it?
He links up better with Lukaku than Rashford and Sanchez have done. He is probably the best finisher in terms of composure bar the odd game he missed a few. He may have some attitude problems, its difficult to tell without knowing what goes on behind the scenes, but there was a time he was coming on and scoring day in day out. He then didnt score or assist for a few games and all of a sudden gets dropped for a new replacement and he has to accomodate them and share positions.
World class players dont always manage to adjust to other positions or switching around - Pogba as an example. Yet Martial is expected to do just that at click of a finger.
The problem is Jose mis-management. You want your forwards to create chances and score them, and he Martial had most player of months and great stats in both those aspects and then gets almost shunted out to the sidelines for a new arrival.
If Martial performed anything like Sanchez did since his been here my god this forum would lose its NUTS! Yet we need to allow Sanchez time to stop losing the ball (which his always done) and put our potentially best player on the side to watch him do that.
Itll be a shame when he goes, which seems the likely outcome now, because he wont be a Depay itll be more of a Pogba type scenario.
Am I missing something? Why does everyone think Mourinho has had a pop at him?
Surely Mourinho was just explaining that again another player is missing, and now he has one less striker. He didn't say the reason he is missing is unacceptable.
I'm sure so many of your read quotes in a way to fit the agenda.
Surely Mourinho was just explaining that again another player is missing, and now he has one less striker. He didn't say the reason he is missing is unacceptable.
I'm sure so many of your read quotes in a way to fit the agenda.
I remember that he was taken off in every game and even Deschamps said he was not happy with him. And if he does not wish to compete for a role, then it shows something is not right with his approach. I just hope we see more lacklustre performances this season because these 2 cant get along
''It seems like Martial is going to leave us, so let's bash him and convince ourselves he was a flop and that he's in the situation he is purely because of his mentality and not put any of the blame on Jose Mourinho who managed to transform him from being the best teenager on the planet to a player who barely starts for us under his management. That will make us feel a lot better about the situation and that way we don't have to face reality and can instead delude ourselves into thinking everything is okay, and that players like Fellaini are more worthy of a place in our squad'' The absolute state of some of these comments, get a grip and form an opinion on a player based on your own thoughts and try not to regurgitate what Jose is insinuating through his miserable press conferences and lineups. Martial was quite literally the only reason to watch United for a whole year at one point. He had a brilliant debut season and won the hearts of millions of fans. Near enough 30 goal contributions at the age of 19 under LVG's pragmatic approach whilst also being our most exciting and creative player. If this is the end then fine, but the opinion that he failed here is absolute garbage.
Yep, the rewriting of history has begun.
So I posted the above on 12/02/18, when a few weeks after signing Sanchez last season, it was made clear that he was to play inside left. Several of us made well written posts reflecting on how this was going to cause real disruption to the future of the squad and that unless Sanchez was going to deliver an immediate, quantifiable upgrade in performances, the signing could be not justified. My fear then was that he was turning out to be more of a luxury, indulgent signing for us, than he would have ever been for City.
I say this as someone who no-one would ever dream of calling a Martial fan boy and who regularly criticises him. Martial’s statistical output is good for a 22-year-old. I sure hope that we know what we are doing.
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This really....as unfortunate as the timing is, it's the tour and the timing that's the issue, not The birth of Martials baby.
I have no idea about what you are saying here, who told you that he didn't want to compete for a role? First Deschamps praised his qualities a lot more than he criticized him, which happened maybe once, then the problem with Martial is that he isn't a good tactical fit, at the Euro France needed a playmaker on the left and a defensively sound right midfielder because Sagna was a weak point, Martial is neither of these things and he isn't good on the right since he barely played there in his career, players like Coman and Sissoko were obviously above him.
Well, he did not force himself into the starting XI or bench either - neither at United. Now there were some issues over the years, and under Mourinho, I doubt things will get better.
What competition? Alexis who was dreadful but started every week? Or Lingard who scored 2 goals in 2018 in the PL?
And it's simply because he isn't good enough, it has nothing to do with attitude. For France Martial is competing with top players that fit better together, not everyone can do what Mbappé did and simply fit where it's needed, that's why people on the caf complain every single time they see Deschamps's selection, they don't take into consideration how players fit together, players like Martial and Lacazette were bad fit, maybe it will be different in the future.
At United it's different, the club chose Martial, in theory they knew what his tools were and in theory you build a team around your players tools, it's not like a national team where you are limited by the national pool. United could easily use a left inside forward, we wasted millions trying to build a team that didn't suit our players and then we blame them for not fitting, it's extremely stupid.
He was selected for the French squad during this previous season, while he was rotating with Rashford. Then Alexis came was given the LW, Martial moved to RW and dropped after 1-2 poor performances. While Alexis started week after week. His attitude was fine when he was treated fairly.
They were? I don’t think so. Maybe if Jose persisted with Martial as much as he did with Alexis despite him being atrocious, the team might have benefited more. Rashford, I don’t even want to mention, if Martial did what Marcus did against Brighton I wonder what fans like yourself would be saying about his attitude.
You're forgetting the part of him playing absolutely terrible in every game he had to stake a claim in, after Sanchez' arrival. (the Newcastle one was especially dreadful)
Do you not? Sanchez had fairly good games against City and Spurs while Rashford scored a double against Liverpool. What was Martial’s contribution?
Rashford was appalling against Brighton no doubt. Martial wasn’t any better though. And unlike Rashford or Sanchez, Martial didn’t register a single goal post January. Sanchez was a new signing and there’s not a manager in the world that wouldn’t give that new signing time to bed in. Especially with his previous pedigree.
Maybe the team would’ve benefited more but not on the evidence of what he showed when he did play. He wasn’t dropped until he’d had a few games of contributing nothing and then he got injured. Almost every game he started from February on was a shit show.
Who wasn’t terrible in that game? Don’t you think it was a wider issue maybe?
I know but Martial had to impress and his whole demeanour was off. Pretty sure he barely had a decent display after that too. Anyway he has made up his mind to leave so lets send him on his way. I'm disappointed it didn't work out as I had high hopes for him but can't keep making excuses for him.
He still doesn't have to air the dirty laundry at any given opportunity even if Martial broke their agreement.
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