Klopp said Clyne would be back “after a few days” Martial’s not back yet, is he? Hence the irritation.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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Klopp said Clyne would be back “after a few days” Martial’s not back yet, is he? Hence the irritation.
I don't know what Martial is playing at. He hasn't lived up to the hype and should be going above and beyond to prove he has a future here. I think he might be done at United.
It's easy no ? He simply wants out.
I guess so. Disappointing as I still feel he'll probably be a good player someday.
I feel the same but defo not under Mourinho.
If I was Martial's agent I'd be telling him to stick around. United might well have a different manager this time next year.
The relationship does seem irreparable at this point. Neither of them trust the other.
Martial will lose value if he isn't sold rather quickly because with the current situation, none of us see him feature that much this season and that won't help increase his possible transfer fee. Get rid of him now because it serves no one to keep an unhappy player earning wages
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I don't you know how agents operate.
Yep I was just thinking this. He was well loved by his Inter squad. Pretty sure they are still some strong willed players out there like Lukaku and Perisic. If players like Martial and Shaw can't handle the pressure, ship them out I'd say.
I'd feck off if I was him. Constantly being picked out by the manager. And people are wondering why he isn't performing. Watch him leave and tear it apart somewhere else. LvG showed great faith in him and look how he performed under him. Mou is just a miserable feck that isn't able to get the best out of any player we have.
Is that why we spent a small fortune to bring Pogba to the club? Or stretched to bring Sanchez in or why we are clearly trying to bring in a ball playing centreback? Jose doesn't "constantly let go" of technically gifted players in favour of pure work rate, thats a complete and utter fallacy. What he requires is work rate in addition of technical ability. If a players doesn't strive to follow his instruction and put on a shift then they are out of the door.
Pep would not sign Martial, he wouldn't go anywhere near him. Pep also requires his players to follow his instruction and put a shift in. Until Martial realises he needs to work for his manager, he'll never be a top class player.
This is very true. Pep is a manager who got rid of world class players on sight (Deco, Ronaldinho and even wanted Eto'o out). I don't think Martial would make the cut for him as talented as he is.
I don't you know how to construct a sentence.
Yeah was a bit of a mess
If you think top agents advise players to stay put when they have the opportunity to line their pockets, you're in dream land.
Lukaku ran away from Mourinho when he was under him at Chelsea and knew there was no way for him in the team, Mourinho fanboys at Chelsea probably would have called Lukaku weak-willed then too I guess. Point is however strong-willed a player can be, if the manager doesn't support them, they end up with no chance other than force themselves out.
Sure he wouldn't actively try to buy Martial now, but had he inherited him, he probably would have improved him.
Why is he not back with the squad yet? Little things like that can go a long way to earning some trust with the manager when virtually no other forward is available to play.
I honestly dunno for sure but I can see why you would think that. He has improved a lot of players there
I think Martial is taking the mick somewhat by not heading back to the tour. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect him to have a few days off and then head back to the team.
I'd do the same to be fair though, would you miss the early days with your newborn so you can go back to getting bollocked by Jose ahead of a season on the bench (Lukaku and Sanchez aren't getting dropped at all).
I'd do the same to be fair though, would you miss the early days with your newborn so you can go back to getting bollocked by Jose ahead of a season on the bench (Lukaku and Sanchez aren't getting dropped at all).
It's totally unrealistic to go back now. The team will be back in Manchester in a week. What's the point of going for 2-3 days and then coming back to US and stay for 3-4 days before going back to Europe again? It doesn't make any sense. Jose should've told him to prepare himself for Leicester and that's it.
Couldn't Martial just take 18 weeks off (the national allowance for paternity leave)? Could Man United do anything to stop him?
Is that quote on Martial's baby real from Jose? Real as in, did he literally say it that way or is the actual quote less bad?
I agree - would merely be a gesture of goodwill on his part rather than meaningfully changing his pre season preparations.
One that he would probably be more inclined to do if he saw any future for himself here.
I defended Mourinho last night after the game and we can only judge him I think after he’s got his team on the pitch and at Christmas we’ll see what’s happening.
These quotes on Martial are unbelievable though, is the guy actually mental? He seriously needs to get a clue and learn about compassion.
These quotes on Martial are unbelievable though, is the guy actually mental? He seriously needs to get a clue and learn about compassion.
I second that, and he could easily have gotten his point across stating something along the line of "We expect to see him very soon, because we need him"
Imagine having an issue because a person hasn't returned two days after his child has been born. Utterly clueless.
Or maybe they've agreed something that we don't know, something like "hey man congrats, goo see ur kid and see you in 3-4 days"; and those 3-4 days passed and Martial is nowhere to be seen?
You're too quick to judge. Jose is not stupid, he wouldn't slate a guy in public for no reasons. My guess(another quick judgement but hey) is that Martial broke the agreement he had with Jose and Jose is taking a dump on him in public to either send a message to the board that in reality says "Sell the feker" or force the guy out himself.
Delph managed it with England.
Martial should be on his way back to the States unless the club has explicitly said he can have more time off.
Because it was the World Cup.
So how long do you think United should give him off?
You get 5 days off legally speaking.
It's not about that though is it?
There's no strikers on the tour from the senior squad. How about Martial shows a bit of desire and sees his new born then comes back to help the lads on tour out and knuckle down for the new season?
Martial is being a man-child here. We knew his intentions before he left the U.S. (many reported he had no desire of returning to play the remaining games) so it’s not like something cropped up in the interim which convinced him to remain in Europe. I’m so fecking sick of his attitude and his second-rate performances. I’d love for him to stay here and fulfil his potential but I think they are mutually exclusive of one another at this point. What a waste.
Clyne isn't back either and both players went around the same time.
Word for word true. It was part of a longer statement on missing players.
"So this was all about recovery I guess? It is a difficult schedule for you. We're flying straight off to Miami and all about the recovery for another game."
"We play Real Madrid and have no more players than we have. Matic arrived from the World Cup, holiday and went direct to surgery because something happened in the World Cup.
Antonio Valencia comes from holiday, I think too much holiday for him. His condition was not good when he was back. Injury and also go back.
Anthony Martial he had the baby and after the baby born - beautiful baby, full of health thank God - he should be here and is not here.
So we have Alexis and Mata to play every minute of every match and now we have Real Madrid and after that Bayern Munich and that is our start.
I just hope that the boys that are on deserved holidays take care of themselves a little bit and I hope somebody wants to do what Rashford and Phil Jones decide to do which is to be back a little bit earlier to try and help the team because for the beginning of the season we are going to be in trouble."
"We play Real Madrid and have no more players than we have. Matic arrived from the World Cup, holiday and went direct to surgery because something happened in the World Cup.
Antonio Valencia comes from holiday, I think too much holiday for him. His condition was not good when he was back. Injury and also go back.
Anthony Martial he had the baby and after the baby born - beautiful baby, full of health thank God - he should be here and is not here.
So we have Alexis and Mata to play every minute of every match and now we have Real Madrid and after that Bayern Munich and that is our start.
I just hope that the boys that are on deserved holidays take care of themselves a little bit and I hope somebody wants to do what Rashford and Phil Jones decide to do which is to be back a little bit earlier to try and help the team because for the beginning of the season we are going to be in trouble."
Sell him. Doesn't have the appetite to make it here.
I'm all in for that but neah, I think the guy doesn't really give a shite.
What baffles me is that Andreas comes on the preseason, gives his all in trying to secure a starting spot(in a position where it's much harder) and this little Martial feker has zero desire to work hard and prove himself.
If you remember the same shit happened when Sanchez came, he got a few sub appearances where he was literally walking on the field. It was clear that Sanchez didn't come to make a career here, in 1-2 seasons would've been off to china or some shite. He was a stop gap and Martial could've realized that, put his head down and start working hard
Well Andreas went on two loans, refused a Valencia deal just to play for this club. That's a Man Utd player not this little Martial whiner.
I was hoping that, even if he's 22, he's a bit grown up considering he's a father, but neh, he's a kid and he should be kicked out asap. Imagine what Roy Keane would've done to this little crying feker.
Sry for the rant but I hate that whiner personality. He's always the one getting hit, when we take his number, when Sanchez comes, when he doesn't start games(even if he's complete shite in all the games he starts).
You could easily be right, i didn't consider that option, just felt it was a little hard.
Mourinho is bang on here. We are in a spot of bother with the number of first-teamers unavailable and you need your established players to show some courage and leadership yet Martial is doing nothing of the sort. Folk here lambast Rashford and speak ill of him in comparison to Martial in terms of ability and talent, but I tell you what, Rashford has ten times the character and desire Martial has. If I’m a manager, give me a Rashford any day over a Martial. Martial’s demeanour has been fecking ridiculous for a long time now, to say the very least.
Yeah I always liked martial but his attitude has been awful lately. The club owes him nothing.. he owes the club who paid a fortune for him.
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