Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions

[Kostov]

I did. What relevance has that got with anything I said? I acknowledged that Sanchez was shit but that as a new signing of his pedigree there isn’t a manager in the world who wouldn’t have persevered with him for at least a few months. Can you imagine the criticism Mourinho would’ve got for not giving him a chance from this not obsessed with Martial? Truth still remains that as poor as Sanchez was he still played better than Martial from February on. Which gives a clear indication of how useless he was. In the interim period he refuses to sign a contract and makes it known he wants to leave. Why wouldn’t Mourinho then favour players who don’t want to leave?

After the Chelsea game where Martial supposedly played so well, can’t say I remember that way myself but sure, he got injured. During that injury Rashford was the match winner against Liverpool so common sense dictates that he went ahead in the pecking order again. Any chance Martial got after that he was shit until he had a good cameo off the bench against Arsenal and got his chance to start again. And then he was shit again.

You think half of Rashford’s minutes were up front? Maybe we need a double appointment at that optician. You make excuses for Martial having to play in a different position in two games while Rashford has been moved between three positions for two years?

Your last paragraph is utter nonsense. People have eyes and can see work rate on a football pitch. They can also read newspapers when a players agents is telling anyone who will listen that true player wants to leave or cries that he has to change his shirt number. Perhaps you need to ask the question why there is no report of Rashford having a bad attitude. And whether there is a correlation between application and opportunity.

What relevance did it have? Firstly he gets into his preferable position apparently while we shift our best winger out of his. Then he gets the minutes Martial doesn't despite being shit, while the other does not have that same opportunity. How is that irrelevant? And even then why in the name of Christ all Mighty did he bring a player planning to play him as a LW while we don't have a single RW? If loosing our best young talent was the price for bringing 29 year old Alexis Sanchez I would have said no to that transfer, for obvious reasons of course.

Truth still remains that Alexis was as shit as everybody on the pitch, him running around like headless chicken can not mask the disappointment he was, we expected him to help us in the CL and have an immediate impact. He failed in that. I'm not writing him off, but for what he was brought he failed so far, and questions still remain.

That Chelsea game was the only game Martial played in his best position and we won, having a fairly decent game. Then he got injured and that was that, a combination of Rashford selfishness denied him a goal against Brighton. And Rashford played 20 games as a LW, and 18 as a CF, Martial has 28 as a LW and 9 as a CF. So talk about excuses, but first check your facts, and to add to it Rashford has 5 games as RW and Martial 3.

About that last paragraph being utter nonsense, yet you mention how shit Martial was couple of times. Need I remind you how shit we've been as a team in the same period? Was it only Martial? No it wasn't. Our attack has been shambles and the issue is wider than individual problems.

Also mentioning Rashford, there were also stories coming about his dissatisfaction with the manager, and where there is smoke, there's fire also. If he wasn't English and his competition for a spot at the World Cup wasn't Danny Wellbeck, there would have been a lot more you can bet on it. And need I remind you, none of this attitude problems with Martial were there before, now he is as bad as Balloteli according to some.

 

[B20]

Deschamps dropped him as well after his poor performances for France. Martial has only himself to blame

I think Martial will be looking at mourinho and thinking with a different manager in charge these past two years, he would be in the world Cup squad. And he probably wouldn't be wrong.

Of course martial could have done better, but I don't think it is wrong to say mourinho has not exactly shown great belief in his talent as something to be developed. He's been treated as a decent squad player which is probably how mourinho rates him long and short term and how he rates his performances too. Whatever faults martial has are obviously more serious in his eyes than the eyes of the fan base.

If martial thinks he could and should be more than that he should move. And he probably does, same as most of the footballing world. They've worked together for two years now. I don't think their relationship or opinion of each other will change much from here.

 

[acnumber9]

What relevance did it have? Firstly he gets into his preferable position apparently while we shift our best winger out of his. Then he gets the minutes Martial doesn't despite being shit, while the other does not have that same opportunity. How is that irrelevant? And even then why in the name of Christ all Mighty did he bring a player planning to play him as a LW while we don't have a single RW? If loosing our best young talent was the price for bringing 29 year old Alexis Sanchez I would have said no to that transfer, for obvious reasons of course.

Truth still remains that Alexis was as shit as everybody on the pitch, him running around like headless chicken can not mask the disappointment he was, we expected him to help us in the CL and have an immediate impact. He failed in that. I'm not writing him off, but for what he was brought he failed so far, and questions still remain.

That Chelsea game was the only game Martial played in his best position and we won, having a fairly decent game. Then he got injured and that was that, a combination of Rashford selfishness denied him a goal against Brighton. And Rashford played 20 games as a LW, and 18 as a CF, Martial has 28 as a LW and 9 as a CF. So talk about excuses, but first check your facts, and to add to it Rashford has 5 games as RW and Martial 3.

About that last paragraph being utter nonsense, yet you mention how shit Martial was couple of times. Need I remind you how shit we've been as a team in the same period? Was it only Martial? No it wasn't. Our attack has been shambles and the issue is wider than individual problems.

Also mentioning Rashford, there were also stories coming about his dissatisfaction with the manager, and where there is smoke, there's fire also. If he wasn't English and his competition for a spot at the World Cup wasn't Danny Wellbeck, there would have been a lot more you can bet on it. And need I remind you, none of this attitude problems with Martial were there before, now he is as bad as Balloteli according to some.

What relevance did asking if I’d seen his minutes have? I haven’t disputed he played more. He played more as he was a new signing and not one of the alternatives was playing any better. Martial hasn’t scored since January. Whether he should’ve been signed or not is a fair question and one I don’t argue with so I’m not sure why you’re trying to make that an argument.

So Rashford hasn’t played half his minutes up front and has been moved position more often than Martial? Thanks for clarifying what I already knew.

Why is Rashford not demanding a transfer? Why is he not crying every time he changes position? Why does he continue to try when all these things happen?

Again, what are you talking about? Martial was shit, so was Rashford, so was Sanchez. I don’t dispute it. The debate for whether Mournho is to blame for poor form is better saved for his own thread. The fact remains that while others have played poorly they haven’t downed tools the way Martial has. Me thinking Martial was shit for four months has nothing to do with you arrogantly assuming people can’t make up their own minds without Mourinho doing it for us. There have never been managers question Martial’s effort or attitude before Mourinho? Can you get an emergency appointment? It’s not safe for you to drive home.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Dear oh dear - the moment Jose came in we all agreed to pay particular attention to martial & Rashford being the players he can't derail....

Fast forward 2 years & the exact 2 players are completely different versions of themselves

And now the Jose fan boys trying to convince its everyone else's fault & not Jose

The fan bots are getting a good one here from people who know martial's growing stage, French league & national teams. Absolutely no use because it simply won't work - they have a strong star wars feeling to the dark, miserable force of Jose Mourinho
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[Nick7]

Dear oh dear - the moment Jose came in we all agreed to pay particular attention to martial & Rashford being the players he can't derail....

Fast forward 2 years & the exact 2 players are completely different versions of themselves

And now the Jose fan boys trying to convince its everyone else's fault & not Jose

The fan bots are getting a good one here from people who know martial's growing stage, French league & national terms. Absolutely no use because it simply won't work - they have a strong star wars force to the dark miserable side of Jose Mourinho
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Do you ever get bored of having every second post being about slating Mourinho? You're obsessed.

They have just put together old footage. You know, it’s not even 5am in the West Coast.

That is an old photo, but the team is in Miami now.

 

[AndOr Hererra]

There is a very real possibility that we sell Martial for the 80 million or so that we want, he goes to another club and proves exactly why it went wrong for him here. Now, i'm not saying Mourinho isn't to blame here, but when watching Martial you can see the mistakes he makes arent necessarily 'confidence' issues, picking the wrong pass, dribbling one player too many, holding the ball too long. These are normal young player issues, Rashford has similar problems with his game but i wouldn't say that he lacks confidence. At the end of the day there was a reason that Rashford played more than him and it isn't because he's better (which imo he isnt) because he's more consistent despite being 2 years younger.

However, there's also a possibility he goes to another club and lights it up which would make what im saying utter nonsense.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Do you ever get bored of having every second post being about slating Mourinho? You're obsessed.

No why would I get bored? I told you - his management is easily pre-read. I knew what he was going to do the moment he got here & I find it absolutely enjoyable watching him struggle - make mistakes that are completely tied to his own methods ie -

If you look up you will see how other fans realise that by playing Lukaku as a target man & martial as a winger you are playing a type of football that makes them highlight their weaknesses. Rashford is the same, Pogba is the same and so on.

I actually thought that Jose would win the league traditionally in his second year but not even that - the PL is a different kettle of fish now. Neither can he grind/stumble his way through to the top of the league anymore - there is also teams above & below playing extraordinary football that can easily be improved.

If United as a team had a chance to be successful under Jose I'd have been open minded to him and supported him - hoping he manages to get the best out of the team.
However it is he himself who is making countless holes within his first XI & squad - there is absolutely no chance we win anything of significance with such poor tactics, formation & utilization of players.

Because of the fact we won't win anything & the football is utter trash - I find it enjoyable to consistently highlight the mistakes Jose makes; the same mistakes that will make him fail, the same mistakes that gets him out of here ASAP.

I'm not doing anything wrong because as per usual - I bring up an issue of poor management which is vital to talk about in a forum that is worried about what we are seeing right this moment.

So let me finish this moan with a relevant question -

Why with no RM/RW for 2 years have we played 4231 consistently? We had a full squad capable of playing 352 - with no need for a RM, capable wingbacks, ball playing defenders & 3 strikers who are made to play off the shoulder/in partnerships yet we stick to target men! Even when we rest Lukaku we play Rashford or martial as target men or as seen recently play Sanchez & mata upfront in a friendly to also play them as double target men

The guy is a Joke - I don't like talking about other managers but you say Sterling at England vs Sterling at City - the difference in efficacy is stunning & comes from a manger who approaches players weaknesses with a magnifying glass but attempts to hide them by playing to their strengths.. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the money - the same exact improvement could be done with martial, Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku & so much more..

Pure understanding of the game and Jose has lost the ability to manage any team that isn't a carbon copy of his Chelsea team

 

[vangagal]

No why would I get bored? I told you - his management is easily pre-read. I knew what he was going to do the moment he got here & I find it absolutely enjoyable watching him struggle - make mistakes that are completely tied to his own methods ie -

If you look up you will see how other fans realise that by playing Lukaku as a target man & martial as a winger you are playing a type of football that makes them highlight their weaknesses. Rashford is the same, Pogba is the same and so on.

I actually thought that Jose would win the league traditionally in his second year but not even that - the PL is a different kettle of fish now. Neither can he grind/stumble his way through to the top of the league anymore - there is also teams above & below playing extraordinary football that can easily be improved.

If United as a team had a chance to be successful under Jose I'd have been open minded to him and supported him - hoping he manages to get the best out of the team.

However he himself is making countless holes within his first XI & squad - there is absolutely no chance we win anything of significance with such poor tactics, formation & utilization of players.

Because of the fact we won't win anything & the football is utter trash - I find it enjoyable to consistently highlight the mistakes Jose makes; the same mistakes that will make him fail, the same mistakes that gets him out of here ASAP.

I'm not doing anything wrong because as per usual - I bring up an issue of poor management which is vital to talk about in a forum that is worried about what we are seeing right this moment.

So let me finish this moan with a relevant question -

Why with no RM/RW for 2 years have we played 4231 consistently? We had a full squad capable of playing 352 - with no need for a RM, capable wingbacks, ball playing defenders & 3 strikers who are made to play off the shoulder/in partnerships yet we stick to target men! Even when we rest Lukaku we play Rashford or martial as target men or as seen recently play Sanchez & mata upfront in a friendly to also play them as double target men

The guy is a Joke - I don't like talking about other managers but you say Sterling at England vs Sterling at City - the difference in efficacy is stunning & comes from a manger who approaches players weaknesses with a magnifying glass but attempts to hide them by playing to their strengths.. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the money - the same exact improvement could be done with martial, Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku & so much more..

Pure understanding of the game and Jose has lost the ability to manage any team that isn't a carbon copy of his Chelsea team

Use spoiler next time you wrote your essay. Jeez.

 

[VeevaVee]

No why would I get bored? I told you - his management is easily pre-read. I knew what he was going to do the moment he got here & I find it absolutely enjoyable watching him struggle - make mistakes that are completely tied to his own methods ie -

If you look up you will see how other fans realise that by playing Lukaku as a target man & martial as a winger you are playing a type of football that makes them highlight their weaknesses. Rashford is the same, Pogba is the same and so on.

I actually thought that Jose would win the league traditionally in his second year but not even that - the PL is a different kettle of fish now. Neither can he grind/stumble his way through to the top of the league anymore - there is also teams above & below playing extraordinary football that can easily be improved.

If United as a team had a chance to be successful under Jose I'd have been open minded to him and supported him - hoping he manages to get the best out of the team.

However he himself is making countless holes within his first XI & squad - there is absolutely no chance we win anything of significance with such poor tactics, formation & utilization of players.

Because of the fact we won't win anything & the football is utter trash - I find it enjoyable to consistently highlight the mistakes Jose makes; the same mistakes that will make him fail, the same mistakes that gets him out of here ASAP.

I'm not doing anything wrong because as per usual - I bring up an issue of poor management which is vital to talk about in a forum that is worried about what we are seeing right this moment.

So let me finish this moan with a relevant question -

Why with no RM/RW for 2 years have we played 4231 consistently? We had a full squad capable of playing 352 - with no need for a RM, capable wingbacks, ball playing defenders & 3 strikers who are made to play off the shoulder/in partnerships yet we stick to target men! Even when we rest Lukaku we play Rashford or martial as target men or as seen recently play Sanchez & mata upfront in a friendly to also play them as double target men

The guy is a Joke - I don't like talking about other managers but you say Sterling at England vs Sterling at City - the difference in efficacy is stunning & comes from a manger who approaches players weaknesses with a magnifying glass but attempts to hide them by playing to their strengths.. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the money - the same exact improvement could be done with martial, Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku & so much more..

Pure understanding of the game and Jose has lost the ability to manage any team that isn't a carbon copy of his Chelsea team

While I started out a lot more positive and hopeful than you, and still wouldn't be as harsh, I'm starting to agree with the gist of this.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Use spoiler next time you wrote your essay. Jeez.

Need simple essays like our simple tactics? Can talk about José's tactics within a couple sentences - so sorry it takes a bit longer when highlighting the mistakes

 

[vangagal]

Need simple essays like our simple tactics? Can talk about José's tactics within a couple sentences - so sorry it takes a bit longer when highlighting the mistakes

You just repeating your irrational hated for Jose for every post you made and calling people whom not agree with you as Jose's fans. Nothing fancy about your point as like Jose's tactic. Its boring and pointless

 

[ash_86]

Sanchez had a lot of bad games since he's signed, but one thing that cannot be brought into question is his attitude. You wouldn't find a single match where he doesn't give it all. Talent is one thing but to realize the talent through hard work is a whole different thing. That second half vs city when we were down by two goals and the way he won the game for us is a indicator of what Sanchez could do for us. I wish Martial had that drive to become the best, but he's quite stagnated and refuses to put in that extra 10% required. Hope he realizes that changing clubs alone will not make him great but need that hardwork and mentality to back it up.

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

I find it absolutely enjoyable watching him struggle - make mistakes that are completely tied to his own methods

Do you actually support Manchester United?
Or, are you taking a break from supporting the club?

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Sanchez had a lot of bad games since he's signed, but one thing that cannot be brought into question is his attitude. You wouldn't find a single match where he doesn't give it all. Talent is one thing but to realize the talent through hard work is a whole different thing. That second half vs city when we were down by two goals and the way he won the game for us is a indicator of what Sanchez could do for us. I wish Martial had that drive to become the best, but he's quite stagnated and refuses to put in that extra 10% required. Hope he realizes that changing clubs alone will not make him great but need that hardwork and mentality to back it up.

Well said! nothing that we didnt know or saw last season. But MartialFC folks dont get it

 

[Shimo]

My take on the current situation no way in support of how Mourinho handles things in public: Think Martial is a coward of the likes of Di Maria who also refused to get on a plane. He is a well paid player who did have to fly to see the birth of his child, no fault in that at all. However, it is also a critical point in his career. He has just missed out a a chance of being world cup winner and even if he is angling for a move, playing well on tour, where he would have a chance to shine and also at the start of the season.

Seen a few people ask, do they expect him to fly back for a few days and then back to Manchester? With what is at stake for him, hell yes if he had a strong will / character, that is exactly what I'd expect. Doing whatever it takes to make sure that he is giving it his all to be on team and then working his socks off to keep his starting place or at least make sure he gets the move he wants. But, he seems to expect that someone will just magically plonk down the 50-60m for him.

Am a big believer in Martial, I think he has got bit of the raw end when it comes to chances, he is the one player in our squad that can get you on the edge of your seat but, his attitude in this case is just not right.

 

[Smithy89]

I hope he goes to Spurs for his sake, he's quality to watch when in full flow and he won't get that at United.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

No why would I get bored? I told you - his management is easily pre-read. I knew what he was going to do the moment he got here & I find it absolutely enjoyable watching him struggle - make mistakes that are completely tied to his own methods ie -

Seeking pleasure in someone's misery is just sad!

If you look up you will see how other fans realize that by playing Lukaku as a target man & martial as a winger you are playing a type of football that makes them highlight their weaknesses. Rashford is the same, Pogba is the same and so on.

What weakness are you talking about?

Lukaku's ability to hold the ball is quite underrated here yes his first touch can be improved upon but he is not a dummy striker! If you saw the world cup you'd know how well he did for Belgium with his hold up play.

Martial - He is a winger/inside forward. He played there for Monaco and he played there for us in his first season under LVG so please elaborate the so called weakness of martial playing as a winger which according to you is all because of Jose!

Rashford as a winger is not desired upon i agree, but we have seen it many times that he is not yet ready to lead the line for us. So where would you play him?

I actually thought that Jose would win the league traditionally in his second year but not even that - the PL is a different kettle of fish now. Neither can he grind/stumble his way through to the top of the league anymore - there is also teams above & below playing extraordinary football that can easily be improved

we got the highest points post Fergie. In most previous seasons well enough to win the league. But we were overshadowed by a amazingly recording breaking season for City. Also the so called better teams that were below us, if they were so good why didnt they finish above us playing beautiful football?

Why with no RM/RW for 2 years have we played 4231 consistently? We had a full squad capable of playing 352 - with no need for a RM, capable wingbacks, ball playing defenders & 3 strikers who are made to play off the shoulder/in partnerships yet we stick to target men! Even when we rest Lukaku we play Rashford or martial as target men or as seen recently play Sanchez & mata upfront in a friendly to also play them as double target men

why the dislike towards 'Target Men'? for your so called strikers who play behind the striker, it is imperative for the main striker to be a target man. With lukaku i cite the belgium example, Lukaku was key for that counter attack taking up spaces so that the attacking players could take advantage of the space .

3 ball playing defenders - I lost all credibility with you when you said that. Who do we have in this current team who can play the ball from defense?

Sanchez and Mata in a pre-season doesnt count as tactics for a season! you are clutching at straws there!

The guy is a Joke - I don't like talking about other managers but you say Sterling at England vs Sterling at City - the difference in efficacy is stunning & comes from a manger who approaches players weaknesses with a magnifying glass but attempts to hide them by playing to their strengths.. It's got absolutely nothing to do with the money - the same exact improvement could be done with martial, Rashford, Pogba, Lukaku & so much more..

So what good does it do for England to have sterling then unless pep is in charge of England National Team? What you are saying is pep is helping Sterling by playing him in a team which in the sum of its parts are covering up for his weakness?

Anyways ,It seems like you have your agenda/pre conceived notions and you are not ready to listen to any other perspective! fair enough but dont talk like you are the righteous man and we are all fools taking up space

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

Not being funny, but it's not like you're a Journalist so why don't you just say who it is then? You're an anonymous name on a small internet forum. It's not going to be on the back pages of the Sun come Weds "SPARKEDINTO LIFE REVEALS CONVERSATION WTIH 'XXXX' ON REDCAFE.NET". Otherwise, no offense, it comes across as attention seeking.

It’s not attention seeking; just passing on info. People here need to be a bit less like vultures descending on ITK info, otherwise genuine people will be dissuaded. Discern the bullshit sure, but I have no reason to lie and am gaining nothing.

Let me be more specific so you can see why I’m not being fully specific. One source is my new physio who treats close family of the anonymous coach and passed on what this family member said. This physio is also a United fan so the coach’s close relative opened up casually.

If I disclose names, I betray the trust of my physio.

The Martial one is the professional footballer I met yesterday (outside of the Prem but not far and I researched to validate his connections to Martial and didn’t have to look long). This footballer is a friend of one of boss’ husband. I potentially have a future professional connection with this player. Also I liked him very much as a person, we might meet again soon and I don’t want to get him tangled up into anything.

That’s the deal. Not going to disclose more and I’m gaining nothing through this besides a few snidy comments on here. Maybe shouldn’t have bothered.

 

[Garethw]

It’s not attention seeking; just passing on info. People here need to be a bit less like vultures descending on ITK info, otherwise genuine people will be dissuaded. Discern the bullshit sure, but I have no reason to lie and am gaining nothing.

Let me be more specific so you can see why I’m not being fully specific. One source is my new physio who treats close family of the anonymous coach and passed on what this family member said. This physio is also a United fan so the coach’s close relative opened up casually.

If I disclose names, I betray the trust of my physio.

The Martial one is the professional footballer I met yesterday (outside of the Prem but not far and I researched to validate his connections to Martial and didn’t have to look long). This footballer is a friend of one of boss’ husband. I potentially have a future professional connection with this player. Also I liked him very much as a person, we might meet again soon and I don’t want to get him tangled up into anything.

That’s the deal. Not going to disclose more and I’m gaining nothing through this besides a few snidy comments on here. Maybe shouldn’t have bothered.

It’s ridiculous that you are having to defend yourself mate.

There’s plenty of us on here that do appreciate you passing on your info, so thanks!

 

[SparkedIntoLife]

It’s ridiculous that you are having to defend yourself mate.

There’s plenty of us on here that do appreciate you passing on your info, so thanks!

Cheers Garethw, appreciate that.

I think some people just like arguing online. Not sure how they have the time really

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Seeking pleasure in someone's misery is just sad!



What weakness are you talking about?

Lukaku's ability to hold the ball is quite underrated here yes his first touch can be improved upon but he is not a dummy striker! If you saw the world cup you'd know how well he did for Belgium with his hold up play.

Martial - He is a winger/inside forward. He played there for Monaco and he played there for us in his first season under LVG so please elaborate the so called weakness of martial playing as a winger which according to you is all because of Jose!

Rashford as a winger is not desired upon i agree, but we have seen it many times that he is not yet ready to lead the line for us. So where would you play him?



we got the highest points post Fergie. In most previous seasons well enough to win the league. But we were overshadowed by a amazingly recording breaking season for City. Also the so called better teams that were below us, if they were so good why didnt they finish above us playing beautiful football?



why the dislike towards 'Target Men'? for your so called strikers who play behind the striker, it is imperative for the main striker to be a target man. With lukaku i cite the belgium example, Lukaku was key for that counter attack taking up spaces so that the attacking players could take advantage of the space .

3 ball playing defenders - I lost all credibility with you when you said that. Who do we have in this current team who can play the ball from defense?

Sanchez and Mata in a pre-season doesnt count as tactics for a season! you are clutching at straws there!




So what good does it do for England to have sterling then unless pep is in charge of England National Team? What you are saying is pep is helping Sterling by playing him in a team which in the sum of its parts are covering up for his weakness?

Anyways ,It seems like you have your agenda/pre conceived notions and you are not ready to listen to any other perspective! fair enough but dont talk like you are the righteous man and we are all fools taking up space

OH tasty! Easiest thing to point out - Martial was a CF with the tendency to drift to the left. He was never a LW for Monaco ever. That was Mbappe the winger who is doing very well playing as a winger on the other side now. If you do not believe me then check; martial played as a ST/CF but mostly as LF in a front 2. That's monaco. (if you dont agree some of the french lads on here who knew martial from france league & national team higher up the thread) Now LVG.

LVG started by playing Martial in his primary position as a ST for a significant whilst until the moment Memphis was dropped for not doing well as a LW. Maybe your memory of Liverpool's goal got you remembering thaht martial was a LW - he was not he was a ST until memphis was dropped and we needed a makeshift LW. To this day I remember saying that he was happy to cover for the team.

Then what happened?

LVG utilised Rashford after injuries and he just happend to take his chance scoring goals left right and centre on his debut games non stop, This was within the same period where he found Lingard who was also playing as a makeshift RW as he is primarily an AM. LVG continued with Rashford up front, lingard on the right and martial on the left because it was the end of the season and absoultely no reason to suddenly change formation to 433 to 352 - just an example where martial, rashford would be playing as forwards in their normal postions and lingard as an AM.

So that's how martial for the first time in his career got to play LW. What did Jose do - happily take out his number 9 shirt (hey its just a number right it doesnt mean he is a striker) & turns him in to a winger ( number 11! suprise). Now everyone thinks he is a winger because guess what there was absoulte no chance he was a striker for Manchester united under Jose mourniho whether it was the highest work rate or lowest work rate - it is simply not the type of striker Jose mourinho uses.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/01/jose...ord-anthony-martial-central-strikers-7195724/

I never said we need target men with behind strikers? I never said Martial and Rashford ned to play behind. Thats just one type of partnership like how Griezmann plays behind Giroud. Martial and Rashford can play together covering the left and right channel respecively. And just to add - our boy Lukaku says exactly that -

He told BBC Sport: "Drogba is more of a hold-up player, a target man. I prefer to have ball to feet and run in behind.

He likes to run in behind ball at his feet playing in the right channel the same way that martial and rashford are better down the channels. Two of these strikers didnt have the target man physique so they got shafted out as wingers mate! They all like the same exact role - 3 wonderful players yet we go with a manger who uses one as a target man


Additional notes : In relation to you thinking that we having ball playing defenders capable of playing in a 352 meant we had 3 ball playing defenders - that was wrong. We had ball playing defenders like Blind who with players like Smalling & Bailly either side could have formed a better defence over one that was already good playing with a simple back 4 (so dont tell me it would have gotten worse; would have only gotten better). Did not even give that a chance when many on this forum to this date after 3 potetnial defenders being bought in 3 seasons - smalling and blind to this day were our best defensive partnership Why not have added bailly to that? would have knocked other defences off the park.

With regards to Sterling Exactly- Pep is utilising his team to hide Sterlings weaknesses and is therefor able to get the best of raheem sterling. Instaed we have a manager who attempts to get 11 perfect individuals yets get them playing like they havent had a single training session with each other. That is what you do - players are not perfect but in a team of 11 - you get them playing for covering for each others weaknesses. Remember busquets behind xavi? do i need to explain one players weaknesses and the others strenghts? Do you see that anywhere near our squad? No we still have a manager who play smalling and Jones to play next to each other in defence and not walk in to each other

With regards to us having the best season post SAF- I agree in terms of results we were good and it was just as i expected - as I said at the start of the seaon I had expected us to win the title like Jose always does but even this time it was not good enough- the PL is too complicated to utlise just pure hard work as a tactic to win it anymore and there is teams left right and centre playing football that they can play with thier eyes closes. That season is the best its going to get - Jose is going to lose the squad & I can almost do a countdown to it.

Finally I do have an agenda- because I can see his weaknesses unlike his fans. I sit there in every match watching the same mistakes happen whilst we lost vital points playing like a league 3 team in the bundesliga. Pure hard work as a tactics round 3 - not going to happen - whilst you enjoy the football : i will be watching the same mistakes that could have been seen from the moment it was obvious that he was turning this squad to play his traditional type of football in 4231 when he walked in and managed his first match.

Lukaku " I dont want to be drogba" - Jose " No you be Drogba, he was good, he was legend you are not legend"

Jose : "I don't compare, I don't compare at all. One has his history and one is still in the beginning of his history."

 

[Member 5225]

Cheers Garethw, appreciate that.

I think some people just like arguing online. Not sure how they have the time really

Thanks again!
Ignore them!

 

[Frank Grimes]

Martial had to impress since day 1 under Mourinho, and he was conducting brilliantly from the start of the season. Generally I though Jose handled that LW spot good with the competition of Rashford and Martial. By January, Martial won it over in my books, with a winning performance against Burnley away. He had decent games as much as anyone up til then, with most player of the month awards from the season, based on fans voting that is, so please don't rewrite history just to suit some agenda.

I'm also disappointed and frankly annoyed how did we handle the whole situation. And not because of bullshit like Martial FC and similar childish arguments, but because we are loosing one of the best wing prospects, while we are struggling to find decent wingers for a couple of years now.

Managers always have their favourites.
Ferguson used to get stick for not picking Kanchelskis. Eventually it came to a head and he was sold.

I never put any notice of those Potm awards. Martial was definitely not our best player for 3 months last season, it was more the fans giving him a boost (Martial is very popular player)

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Managers always have their favourites.
Ferguson used to get stick for not picking Kanchelskis. Eventually it came to a head and he was sold.

I never put any notice of those Potm awards. Martial was definitely not our best player for 3 months last season, it was more the fans giving him a boost (Martial is very popular player)

My lord now the fans cant vote for their best player of the month if its martial . Is it because you dont agree?

I can remember off the top if my head a month where Martial was fantastic and easily the best player of the squad performing -- the month before Sanchez came.

Because you do not agree - it means nothing; the majority agreed he was the player of the month & the majority was right enough to hand him an award. Sorry It did not go to matic or whoever else it was you expected.

 

[Santoryo]

feck him off and try for Pulisic or Dembele or whoever. His attitude is clearly shit and is passionless on the pitch.

Outstanding talent who will eventually be banging in loads in Spain or France.

- talk about shit attitude
- then want to bring in Dembele

Lost for words on the sheer irony.

 

[Hisha]

OH tasty! Easiest thing to point out - Martial was a CF with the tendency to drift to the left. He was never a LW for Monaco ever. That was Mbappe the winger who is doing very well playing as a winger on the other side now. If you do not believe me then check; martial played as a ST/CF but mostly as LF in a front 2. That's monaco. (if you dont agree some of the french lads on here who knew martial from france league & national team higher up the thread) Now LVG.

LVG started by playing Martial in his primary position as a ST for a significant whilst until the moment Memphis was dropped for not doing well as a LW. Maybe your memory of Liverpool's goal got you remembering thaht martial was a LW - he was not he was a ST until memphis was dropped and we needed a makeshift LW. To this day I remember saying that he was happy to cover for the team.

Then what happened?

LVG utilised Rashford after injuries and he just happend to take his chance scoring goals left right and centre on his debut games non stop, This was within the same period where he found Lingard who was also playing as a makeshift RW as he is primarily an AM. LVG continued with Rashford up front, lingard on the right and martial on the left because it was the end of the season and absoultely no reason to suddenly change formation to 433 to 352 - just an example where martial, rashford would be playing as forwards in their normal postions and lingard as an AM.

So that's how martial for the first time in his career got to play LW. What did Jose do - happily take out his number 9 shirt (hey its just a number right it doesnt mean he is a striker) & turns him in to a winger ( number 11! suprise). Now everyone thinks he is a winger because guess what there was absoulte no chance he was a striker for Manchester united under Jose mourniho whether it was the highest work rate or lowest work rate - it is simply not the type of striker Jose mourinho uses.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/01/jose...ord-anthony-martial-central-strikers-7195724/

I never said we need target men with behind strikers? I never said Martial and Rashford ned to play behind. Thats just one type of partnership like how Griezmann plays behind Giroud. Martial and Rashford can play together covering the left and right channel respecively. And just to add - our boy Lukaku says exactly that -

He told BBC Sport: "Drogba is more of a hold-up player, a target man. I prefer to have ball to feet and run in behind.

He likes to run in behind ball at his feet playing in the right channel the same way that martial and rashford are better down the channels. Two of these strikers didnt have the target man physique so they got shafted out as wingers mate! They all like the same exact role - 3 wonderful players yet we go with a manger who uses one as a target man


Additional notes : In relation to you thinking that we having ball playing defenders capable of playing in a 352 meant we had 3 ball playing defenders - that was wrong. We had ball playing defenders like Blind who with players like Smalling & Bailly either side could have formed a better defence over one that was already good playing with a simple back 4 (so dont tell me it would have gotten worse; would have only gotten better). Did not even give that a chance when many on this forum to this date after 3 potetnial defenders being bought in 3 seasons - smalling and blind to this day were our best defensive partnership Why not have added bailly to that? would have knocked other defences off the park.

With regards to Sterling Exactly- Pep is utilising his team to hide Sterlings weaknesses and is therefor able to get the best of raheem sterling. Instaed we have a manager who attempts to get 11 perfect individuals yets get them playing like they havent had a single training session with each other. That is what you do - players are not perfect but in a team of 11 - you get them playing for covering for each others weaknesses. Remember busquets behind xavi? do i need to explain one players weaknesses and the others strenghts? Do you see that anywhere near our squad? No we still have a manager who play smalling and Jones to play next to each other in defence and not walk in to each other

With regards to us having the best season post SAF- I agree in terms of results we were good and it was just as i expected - as I said at the start of the seaon I had expected us to win the title like Jose always does but even this time it was not good enough- the PL is too complicated to utlise just pure hard work as a tactic to win it anymore and there is teams left right and centre playing football that they can play with thier eyes closes. That season is the best its going to get - Jose is going to lose the squad & I can almost do a countdown to it.

Finally I do have an agenda- because I can see his weaknesses unlike his fans. I sit there in every match watching the same mistakes happen whilst we lost vital points playing like a league 3 team in the bundesliga. Pure hard work as a tactics round 3 - not going to happen - whilst you enjoy the football : i will be watching the same mistakes that could have been seen from the moment it was obvious that he was turning this squad to play his traditional type of football in 4231 when he walked in and managed his first match.

Lukaku " I dont want to be drogba" - Jose " No you be Drogba, he was good, he was legend you are not legend"

Jose : "I don't compare, I don't compare at all. One has his history and one is still in the beginning of his history."

My goodness!!! You must be getting paid for this. The amount of time you are spending here only to attack Jose is astronishing. Almost all your post are against Jose and many times they are personal. I wonder... how can you hate someone like this, someone who you don't know personally and probably never will?

 

[Frank Grimes]

My lord now the fans cant vote for their best player of the month if its martial . Is it because you dont agree?

I can remember off the top if my head a month where Martial was fantastic and easily the best player of the squad performing -- the month before Sanchez came.

Because you do not agree - it means nothing; the majority agreed he was the player of the month & the majority was right enough to hand him an award. Sorry It did not go to matic or whoever else it was you expected.

I'm only giving my opinion. The majority are often wrong.

 

[Kostov]

What relevance did asking if I’d seen his minutes have? I haven’t disputed he played more. He played more as he was a new signing and not one of the alternatives was playing any better. Martial hasn’t scored since January. Whether he should’ve been signed or not is a fair question and one I don’t argue with so I’m not sure why you’re trying to make that an argument.

So Rashford hasn’t played half his minutes up front and has been moved position more often than Martial? Thanks for clarifying what I already knew.

Why is Rashford not demanding a transfer? Why is he not crying every time he changes position? Why does he continue to try when all these things happen?

Again, what are you talking about? Martial was shit, so was Rashford, so was Sanchez. I don’t dispute it. The debate for whether Mournho is to blame for poor form is better saved for his own thread. The fact remains that while others have played poorly they haven’t downed tools the way Martial has. Me thinking Martial was shit for four months has nothing to do with you arrogantly assuming people can’t make up their own minds without Mourinho doing it for us. There have never been managers question Martial’s effort or attitude before Mourinho? Can you get an emergency appointment? It’s not safe for you to drive home.

It was relevant to demonstrate that shit argument of how despite Sanchez was shit he still played better. He was allowed to stay in the team despite being shit, Martial wasn't, that's why the 2-3 good games he had in half a season. Martial scored as much goals as Sanchez did the whole season for us, in January alone, it wasn't enough for Mourinho, and surprise the season didn't start post January for the team, as it did not for the manager. Jose handling of the situation was pathetic and that is one of the points.

Rashford played 18 matches as a CF, 20 as a LW, and 5 at RW, if it proves anything it’s that he had advantage compared to Martial who played the mayority of his games as a winger.

I have no problems with people making their own minds, but rewriting history just to cover a stupid mishandling of the situation is getting ridiculous. He was treated unfairly and of course he will want to move. History will tell if he was right or we are talking about a “shit” player that we will replace without problems.

 

[Kevin]

@Kostov magnificent posts. There IS still reason and logical thinking on the caf after all. The utter bs people come up with to try and rewrite history to suit their opinion is shocking.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

OH tasty! Easiest thing to point out - Martial was a CF with the tendency to drift to the left. He was never a LW for Monaco ever. That was Mbappe the winger who is doing very well playing as a winger on the other side now. If you do not believe me then check; martial played as a ST/CF but mostly as LF in a front 2. That's monaco. (if you dont agree some of the french lads on here who knew martial from france league & national team higher up the thread) Now LVG.

LVG started by playing Martial in his primary position as a ST for a significant whilst until the moment Memphis was dropped for not doing well as a LW. Maybe your memory of Liverpool's goal got you remembering thaht martial was a LW - he was not he was a ST until memphis was dropped and we needed a makeshift LW. To this day I remember saying that he was happy to cover for the team.

Then what happened?

LVG utilised Rashford after injuries and he just happend to take his chance scoring goals left right and centre on his debut games non stop, This was within the same period where he found Lingard who was also playing as a makeshift RW as he is primarily an AM. LVG continued with Rashford up front, lingard on the right and martial on the left because it was the end of the season and absoultely no reason to suddenly change formation to 433 to 352 - just an example where martial, rashford would be playing as forwards in their normal postions and lingard as an AM.

So that's how martial for the first time in his career got to play LW. What did Jose do - happily take out his number 9 shirt (hey its just a number right it doesnt mean he is a striker) & turns him in to a winger ( number 11! suprise). Now everyone thinks he is a winger because guess what there was absoulte no chance he was a striker for Manchester united under Jose mourniho whether it was the highest work rate or lowest work rate - it is simply not the type of striker Jose mourinho uses.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/01/jose...ord-anthony-martial-central-strikers-7195724/

I never said we need target men with behind strikers? I never said Martial and Rashford ned to play behind. Thats just one type of partnership like how Griezmann plays behind Giroud. Martial and Rashford can play together covering the left and right channel respecively. And just to add - our boy Lukaku says exactly that -

He told BBC Sport: "Drogba is more of a hold-up player, a target man. I prefer to have ball to feet and run in behind.

He likes to run in behind ball at his feet playing in the right channel the same way that martial and rashford are better down the channels. Two of these strikers didnt have the target man physique so they got shafted out as wingers mate! They all like the same exact role - 3 wonderful players yet we go with a manger who uses one as a target man


Additional notes : In relation to you thinking that we having ball playing defenders capable of playing in a 352 meant we had 3 ball playing defenders - that was wrong. We had ball playing defenders like Blind who with players like Smalling & Bailly either side could have formed a better defence over one that was already good playing with a simple back 4 (so dont tell me it would have gotten worse; would have only gotten better). Did not even give that a chance when many on this forum to this date after 3 potetnial defenders being bought in 3 seasons - smalling and blind to this day were our best defensive partnership Why not have added bailly to that? would have knocked other defences off the park.

With regards to Sterling Exactly- Pep is utilising his team to hide Sterlings weaknesses and is therefor able to get the best of raheem sterling. Instaed we have a manager who attempts to get 11 perfect individuals yets get them playing like they havent had a single training session with each other. That is what you do - players are not perfect but in a team of 11 - you get them playing for covering for each others weaknesses. Remember busquets behind xavi? do i need to explain one players weaknesses and the others strenghts? Do you see that anywhere near our squad? No we still have a manager who play smalling and Jones to play next to each other in defence and not walk in to each other

With regards to us having the best season post SAF- I agree in terms of results we were good and it was just as i expected - as I said at the start of the seaon I had expected us to win the title like Jose always does but even this time it was not good enough- the PL is too complicated to utlise just pure hard work as a tactic to win it anymore and there is teams left right and centre playing football that they can play with thier eyes closes. That season is the best its going to get - Jose is going to lose the squad & I can almost do a countdown to it.

Finally I do have an agenda- because I can see his weaknesses unlike his fans. I sit there in every match watching the same mistakes happen whilst we lost vital points playing like a league 3 team in the bundesliga. Pure hard work as a tactics round 3 - not going to happen - whilst you enjoy the football : i will be watching the same mistakes that could have been seen from the moment it was obvious that he was turning this squad to play his traditional type of football in 4231 when he walked in and managed his first match.

Lukaku " I dont want to be drogba" - Jose " No you be Drogba, he was good, he was legend you are not legend"

Jose : "I don't compare, I don't compare at all. One has his history and one is still in the beginning of his history."

Wow! that's a lot of words!

If you are not ready to reason and open your mind towards other possibilities than to accuse Jose then there is no point in having a conversation. With your anti-jose tinted glasses everything you say is a 'Biased' opinion and not based on logic. So I will excuse myself from this conversation.

Enjoy your fun life taking pleasure in other people's mistakes

 

[JJ12]

- talk about shit attitude
- then want to bring in Dembele

Lost for words on the sheer irony.

I haven’t followed Dembele’s attitude issues as close as Martial’s so fair enough. Don’t get another sulker, but somebody at that talent level is the point.

What has Dembele done by the way?

 

[acnumber9]

It was relevant to demonstrate that shit argument of how despite Sanchez was shit he still played better. He was allowed to stay in the team despite being shit, Martial wasn't, that's why the 2-3 good games he had in half a season. Martial scored as much goals as Sanchez did the whole season for us, in January alone, it wasn't enough for Mourinho, and surprise the season didn't start post January for the team, as it did not for the manager. Jose handling of the situation was pathetic and that is one of the points.

Rashford played 18 matches as a CF, 20 as a LW, and 5 at RW, if it proves anything it’s that he had advantage compared to Martial who played the mayority of his games as a winger.

I have no problems with people making their own minds, but rewriting history just to cover a stupid mishandling of the situation is getting ridiculous. He was treated unfairly and of course he will want to move. History will tell if he was right or we are talking about a “shit” player that we will replace without problems.

But there’s not a manager in the game who wouldn’t give a big, new signing time to bed into the team. If he’d dropped after one or two shit games he’d have got even more criticism. If Sanchez continues to perform poorly and it hampers the team he’ll be dropped because Mourinho, for all his faults isn’t an idiot. He’s determined to win and will do what he thinks is necessary.

But you’ve already said that Martial got to play in his best position. Rashford has been moved here, there and everywhere. He also didn’t have the benefit of taking penalties to boost his goal tally. For an extra 800 minutes up front he scored four more goals from open play. Yet one was ridiculously bad and the other one has been the victim of a miscarriage of justice. If you can’t see how ridiculous those two opinions are, side by side, then you aren’t worth debating with.

What re-writing of history has been required? Martial was shite in Mourinho’s first season from the get go. Some people will tell you it’s because of his shirt number which is ludicrous if true. Some will say it’s because of his off field problems. Either way he played about as much football as his form deserved. He fought his way into the team with some good form early this season and then because he was asked to play in a slightly different position, something Rashford has been asked to do much more often, he stopped trying. Then he refused to sign a contract and then his agent told everyone he wanted to leave. That’s not re-writing history. That is stating a sequence of events.

It’s so unfair he had to wear a different number. It’s so unfair he had to play in a slightly different position. I feel for him. I never said Martial was a shit player by the way.

 

[Arka_BleedingRed]

The endless revisionism that happens around Martial is quite astounding. It's like they simply forget what he is capable of, the moment Jose says something about him. This was just last season. Hope this jogs up your memory a bit, maybe reminds you what a talent we have in our hands.

 

[haram]

OH tasty! Easiest thing to point out - Martial was a CF with the tendency to drift to the left. He was never a LW for Monaco ever. That was Mbappe the winger who is doing very well playing as a winger on the other side now. If you do not believe me then check; martial played as a ST/CF but mostly as LF in a front 2. That's monaco. (if you dont agree some of the french lads on here who knew martial from france league & national team higher up the thread) Now LVG.

LVG started by playing Martial in his primary position as a ST for a significant whilst until the moment Memphis was dropped for not doing well as a LW. Maybe your memory of Liverpool's goal got you remembering thaht martial was a LW - he was not he was a ST until memphis was dropped and we needed a makeshift LW. To this day I remember saying that he was happy to cover for the team.

Then what happened?

LVG utilised Rashford after injuries and he just happend to take his chance scoring goals left right and centre on his debut games non stop, This was within the same period where he found Lingard who was also playing as a makeshift RW as he is primarily an AM. LVG continued with Rashford up front, lingard on the right and martial on the left because it was the end of the season and absoultely no reason to suddenly change formation to 433 to 352 - just an example where martial, rashford would be playing as forwards in their normal postions and lingard as an AM.

So that's how martial for the first time in his career got to play LW. What did Jose do - happily take out his number 9 shirt (hey its just a number right it doesnt mean he is a striker) & turns him in to a winger ( number 11! suprise). Now everyone thinks he is a winger because guess what there was absoulte no chance he was a striker for Manchester united under Jose mourniho whether it was the highest work rate or lowest work rate - it is simply not the type of striker Jose mourinho uses.

https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/01/jose...ord-anthony-martial-central-strikers-7195724/

I never said we need target men with behind strikers? I never said Martial and Rashford ned to play behind. Thats just one type of partnership like how Griezmann plays behind Giroud. Martial and Rashford can play together covering the left and right channel respecively. And just to add - our boy Lukaku says exactly that -

He told BBC Sport: "Drogba is more of a hold-up player, a target man. I prefer to have ball to feet and run in behind.

He likes to run in behind ball at his feet playing in the right channel the same way that martial and rashford are better down the channels. Two of these strikers didnt have the target man physique so they got shafted out as wingers mate! They all like the same exact role - 3 wonderful players yet we go with a manger who uses one as a target man


Additional notes : In relation to you thinking that we having ball playing defenders capable of playing in a 352 meant we had 3 ball playing defenders - that was wrong. We had ball playing defenders like Blind who with players like Smalling & Bailly either side could have formed a better defence over one that was already good playing with a simple back 4 (so dont tell me it would have gotten worse; would have only gotten better). Did not even give that a chance when many on this forum to this date after 3 potetnial defenders being bought in 3 seasons - smalling and blind to this day were our best defensive partnership Why not have added bailly to that? would have knocked other defences off the park.

With regards to Sterling Exactly- Pep is utilising his team to hide Sterlings weaknesses and is therefor able to get the best of raheem sterling. Instaed we have a manager who attempts to get 11 perfect individuals yets get them playing like they havent had a single training session with each other. That is what you do - players are not perfect but in a team of 11 - you get them playing for covering for each others weaknesses. Remember busquets behind xavi? do i need to explain one players weaknesses and the others strenghts? Do you see that anywhere near our squad? No we still have a manager who play smalling and Jones to play next to each other in defence and not walk in to each other

With regards to us having the best season post SAF- I agree in terms of results we were good and it was just as i expected - as I said at the start of the seaon I had expected us to win the title like Jose always does but even this time it was not good enough- the PL is too complicated to utlise just pure hard work as a tactic to win it anymore and there is teams left right and centre playing football that they can play with thier eyes closes. That season is the best its going to get - Jose is going to lose the squad & I can almost do a countdown to it.

Finally I do have an agenda- because I can see his weaknesses unlike his fans. I sit there in every match watching the same mistakes happen whilst we lost vital points playing like a league 3 team in the bundesliga. Pure hard work as a tactics round 3 - not going to happen - whilst you enjoy the football : i will be watching the same mistakes that could have been seen from the moment it was obvious that he was turning this squad to play his traditional type of football in 4231 when he walked in and managed his first match.

Lukaku " I dont want to be drogba" - Jose " No you be Drogba, he was good, he was legend you are not legend"

Jose : "I don't compare, I don't compare at all. One has his history and one is still in the beginning of his history."

You can argue that all three of Lukaku, Martial and Rashford like to play into feet running in behind, but you cannot explain how to balance the rest of the team to accomodate this. Lukaku can play with his back to goal and is capable of taking it into his feet so he can get inbehind. That’s why he has the edge over the other two.

Its all good and well recognising the strengths and weaknesses of the forwards but not considering the rest of the team and its balance and how to get the best out of them is funny.

 

[acnumber9]

@Kostov magnificent posts. There IS still reason and logical thinking on the caf after all. The utter bs people come up with to try and rewrite history to suit their opinion is shocking.

Talking about rewriting history to suit your opinion.

Rashford has played the most games and improved.

Jose is 55 not 75. He is one if not the most talented football manager in the world, yeah I can put up with his football if it brought titles here.

He made those posts in March. Now Rashford had a disastrous season and he’s desperate for Jose to feck off. A lot has changed because his hero wants to leave.

 

[Frank Grimes]

Has any player got more support off the fans than Martial has in his 3 seasons at the club, I highly doubt it. How does he repay?, gets his agent to break the story that he wants to leave, instead of knuckling down like Mata , Fellaini, Young and countless others have done in the past. Mourinho doesn't leave him out because he hates him, he needs to show more in games and all too often he disappears. (anyone who denies this is lying to themselves)

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

Can somebody tell me how many days did Cristiano Ronaldo took for the birth of any of his sons? Just curious.

 

[Red Dreams]

Has any player got more support off the fans than Martial has in his 3 seasons at the club, I highly doubt it. How does he repay?, gets his agent to break the story that he wants to leave, instead of knuckling down like Mata , Fellaini, Young and countless others have done in the past. Mourinho doesn't leave him out because he hates him, he needs to show more in games and all too often he disappears. (anyone who denies this is lying to themselves)

well put.

He is being paid a wage. Earn it.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

The endless revisionism that happens around Martial is quite astounding. It's like they simply forget what he is capable of, the moment Jose says something about him. This was just last season. Hope this jogs up your memory a bit, maybe reminds you what a talent we have in our hands.

It’s actually a joy to watch him when he is in that sort of form, those shifts of the ball. The one that was a pass to Lingard then the other to open up the space for himself. The thing I appreciate most about his play is that even when there is a lot going on around him he has this calmness and ability to play a pass. He’s quite a good link player as well, there was also an assist against Arsenal I think that was so simple yet fantastic. For me there are 2 players in our side capable of doing the unimaginable and that’s he and Pogba. Both capable of just producing magic. Will be gutted to see him leave if he does go but it’s football and we will move on.

 

[Kostov]

Talking about rewriting history to suit your opinion.



He made those posts in March. Now Rashford had a disastrous season and he’s desperate for Jose to feck off. A lot has changed because his hero wants to leave.

What are you on about? Where did I say I want Jose to feck off? You imagining things now?

I still have the same opinion about Jose, that doesn’t mean I will agree and defend every decision he makes. You should maybe try get out of his anus for a change.

I described all of our attackers being average, that doesn’t mean a 19 year old striker playing 40+ games didn’t improve.

Again you are talking shit.