Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions

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TheReligion said:
It's not about that though is it?

There's no strikers on the tour from the senior squad. How about Martial shows a bit of desire and sees his new born then comes back to help the lads on tour out and knuckle down for the new season?
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Why would he do that when he is reporting to a manager who has publicly forced him to stay, froze him out of the first team, publicly criticized him on the same tour?

Martial has made it clear that he wants out. A bit unprofessional but even Jose has hardly been professional in dealing with him.

Martial would think that he is better off in a club where the manager is not a guy who keeps criticizing the players in public and instead helps a player grow and realize his talent.
 
Buchan said:
Mourinho is bang on here. We are in a spot of bother with the number of first-teamers unavailable and you need your established players to show some courage and leadership yet Martial is doing nothing of the sort. Folk here lambast Rashford and speak ill of him in comparison to Martial in terms of ability and talent, but I tell you what, Rashford has ten times the character and desire Martial has. If I’m a manager, give me a Rashford any day over a Martial. Martial’s demeanour has been fecking ridiculous for a long time now, to say the very least.
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You know this how?
 
JohnnyKills said:
You know this how?
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Er, you know, just the ~three seasons’ worth of evidence we have of the pair of them in United colours. Martial dawdles around the field whereas Rashford dashes. Their respective outlooks on how the game can be played are like chalk and cheese. If I was going into the trenches, I would not be choosing Anthony Martial to stand by my side.
 
It's his partner who deserves some time off, she is the one who has had the baby. It was her first I think, so obviously she wanted him there.
 
Buchan said:
Mourinho is bang on here. We are in a spot of bother with the number of first-teamers unavailable and you need your established players to show some courage and leadership yet Martial is doing nothing of the sort. Folk here lambast Rashford and speak ill of him in comparison to Martial in terms of ability and talent, but I tell you what, Rashford has ten times the character and desire Martial has. If I’m a manager, give me a Rashford any day over a Martial. Martial’s demeanour has been fecking ridiculous for a long time now, to say the very least.
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Rashford is cutting his holiday short. That really shows his character, desire, and work ethic. He’s in Miami, I wonder if he just suits up and gets going.
 
Laurentiu amt said:
Or maybe they've agreed something that we don't know, something like "hey man congrats, goo see ur kid and see you in 3-4 days"; and those 3-4 days passed and Martial is nowhere to be seen?

You're too quick to judge. Jose is not stupid, he wouldn't slate a guy in public for no reasons. My guess(another quick judgement but hey) is that Martial broke the agreement he had with Jose and Jose is taking a dump on him in public to either send a message to the board that in reality says "Sell the feker" or force the guy out himself.
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Yeah, doesnt sound at all like Jose.
 
redpatron said:
Rashford is cutting his holiday short. That really shows his character, desire, and work ethic. He’s in Miami, I wonder if he just suits up and gets going.
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Knowing Rashford, he probably will. I read Jones is doing similar. These are the type of characters which will bring success to the team and instil that teak-tough, winning mentality the manager is trying to foster here. The likes of Martial are only detracting from that. Good footballer but a poor attitude. Ferguson wouldn’t cut him any slack either so let’s not pretend Mourinho is the big bad wolf here. Ferguson sold more talented and more important players than Martial in order to build the dressing-room ethos he desired.
 
Witchking said:
Why would he do that when he is reporting to a manager who has publicly forced him to stay, froze him out of the first team, publicly criticized him on the same tour?

Martial has made it clear that he wants out. A bit unprofessional but even Jose has hardly been professional in dealing with him.

Martial would think that he is better off in a club where the manager is not a guy who keeps criticizing the players in public and instead helps a player grow and realize his talent.
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Mourinho has neither forced him to stay nor froze him out of the first team. If Martial does not play it’s because he’s not worked hard enough or played well enough to play. Much like he hasn’t for the last 6 months.
 
Witchking said:
Why would he do that when he is reporting to a manager who has publicly forced him to stay, froze him out of the first team, publicly criticized him on the same tour?

Martial has made it clear that he wants out. A bit unprofessional but even Jose has hardly been professional in dealing with him.

Martial would think that he is better off in a club where the manager is not a guy who keeps criticizing the players in public and instead helps a player grow and realize his talent.
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Because of the club?
Because of the fans?
Because he wants to prove his worth?

Do I really need to go on? It's not all about him v Mourinho.
 
I don't see why criticising Martial should necessary be taken as a support of Jose , I think that there are a lot of issues with Jose but I can still see that Martial really doesn't give a feck at all
 
Buchan said:
Knowing Rashford, he probably will. I read Jones is doing similar. These are the type of characters which will bring success to the team and instil that teak-tough, winning mentality the manager is trying to foster here. The likes of Martial are only detracting from that. Good footballer but a poor attitude. Ferguson wouldn’t cut him any slack either so let’s not pretend Mourinho is the big bad wolf here. Ferguson sold more talented and more important players than Martial in order to build the dressing-room ethos he desired.
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Yes Jones brought a lot of success to the club when he was humiliated by Hazard in the FA Cup final.
 
Club would have given him a timeframe. It's either he is late or he isn't. Bickering with your player doesn't do anything good.
Feck both of them tbh.
 
TheReligion said:
Because of the club?
Because of the fans?
Because he wants to prove his worth?

Do I really need to go on? It's not all about him v Mourinho.
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Football is a mercenary's game, loyalty means nothing. Whatever the reasons behind Martial's absence, we shouldn't be surprised nor angry because we all know he wants to leave anyway. I don't understand why we are keeping a player who wants to leave, keeping him won't increase his value.
 
Has Jose had another pop at him? They seem to have an absolutely toxic relationship. You would think they would get on, both being miserable bastards & that...

Mourinho does seem like a massive cnut to be fair though. Can't blame Martial for wanting out.
 
given the situation and the distance Martial would have to travel for what is a meaningless game Mourinho comes across as petty to me in this, having a dig at Martial when he could have supported him, giving him a little time at home. There was nothing stopping Jose telling Martial to take some time at home, working on his fitness at the same time.

instead he has a pop and damages his relationship with the player further. Needless and stupid from Mourinho.

He should take a leaf out of Fergie's book when it comes to man management

 
As much as I am not a big fan of him anymore, his children should absolutely take precedence over a few football matches.

Manchester United touts itself as a family club with all the luggage that comes with it. Even the manager has to buy into that. You can't portray yourself as one thing and complain about its implications afterwards.
 
redIndianDevil said:
I agree but at least Guardiola and Klopp have the brains to sell players they don't need and sign players that suit them unlike Mourinho.
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We are selling off deadwood. Last 2 years we've let go of Bastian, Schneiderlin, Rooney, Depay, Blind and hopefully Darmian and one of Rojo/Jones. That's a lot of junk out of the team. We cannot just cancel the contracts like Pep did for some of his players and get new ones. We can get 4 players per window, so Jose has to prioritize what he wants. He's not be given even the 4 this window.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I don't see why criticising Martial should necessary be taken as a support of Jose , I think that there are a lot of issues with Jose but I can still see that Martial really doesn't give a feck at all
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Maybe the reason Martial doesn't give a feck is because he's been treated like shit by Mourinho? He seemed to give a feck under Van Gaal.

Not excusing Martial, he's too inconsistent & is being paid a fortune a week. He isn't a Manchester United fan though, he's just an employee. If you're being treated like shit at work & start looking for another job, do you give your current cnut of a boss 100%? Of course not. He's on a ridiculous amount of money, but he's still a human being & we're all wired pretty much the same.
 
Let's be honest here. Jose hasn't behaved fairly to Martial in his time with us. I feel after all the shit he's taken from Jose in these 2 years, he's finally delivering a big feck you to Jose and expressing as loudly as he can that he no longer wants to play for him.

I for one can't say I blame him. If my manager behaves like a cnut to me often, he would be foolish to expect me to come in when my gf has given birth, regardless if they are short staffed in the office. Football is a place of work for these players, their job might be more glamorous but the same work place environment and principles apply.

Finally, those saying Martial doesn't have the desire to make it here, just sound like the Chelsea fans that said the same about Lukaku an KDB. Time will tell who's right but we have a pattern we can clearly see from Jose's past.
 
Buchan said:
Martial is being a man-child here. We knew his intentions before he left the U.S. (many reported he had no desire of returning to play the remaining games) so it’s not like something cropped up in the interim which convinced him to remain in Europe. I’m so fecking sick of his attitude and his second-rate performances. I’d love for him to stay here and fulfil his potential but I think they are mutually exclusive of one another at this point. What a waste.
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Jose did say whoever wants to feck off should. Now Martial wants to but seems the club's doesn't want him to. At least that's the vibe I am getting
 
Buchan said:
Knowing Rashford, he probably will. I read Jones is doing similar. These are the type of characters which will bring success to the team and instil that teak-tough, winning mentality the manager is trying to foster here. The likes of Martial are only detracting from that. Good footballer but a poor attitude. Ferguson wouldn’t cut him any slack either so let’s not pretend Mourinho is the big bad wolf here. Ferguson sold more talented and more important players than Martial in order to build the dressing-room ethos he desired.
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More like he would probably be running through brick walls for Sir Alex because well, one of his biggest strengths was his man management. I disagree with a lot of Martials behaviour but over the past two years Mourinho hasn't managed him well either.
 
Buchan said:
Knowing Rashford, he probably will. I read Jones is doing similar. These are the type of characters which will bring success to the team and instil that teak-tough, winning mentality the manager is trying to foster here. The likes of Martial are only detracting from that. Good footballer but a poor attitude. Ferguson wouldn’t cut him any slack either so let’s not pretend Mourinho is the big bad wolf here. Ferguson sold more talented and more important players than Martial in order to build the dressing-room ethos he desired.
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Martial wouldn't have the same attitude problems under Fergie because SAF knew how to form a team to get the best out of attacking players. Martial is rightly pissed off with the fact the Jose is more concerned with him tracking back than scoring goals. All our attacking players look like shite, not just Martial. Hell the other day Jose actually criticised Pereira for being too adventurous in his passing. He is the anti Fergie. Pogba is pissed off, Sanchez, Mata, Rashford etc all look shite. Pereira will be fobbed off once Fellaini returns. I'm no Martial fanboy but it's damn clear that the club would benefit more from getting a coach who can get the best out of our players rather than sticking with our current disease of a manager.
 
buckooo1978 said:
given the situation and the distance Martial would have to travel for what is a meaningless game Mourinho comes across as petty to me in this, having a dig at Martial when he could have supported him, giving him a little time at home. There was nothing stopping Jose telling Martial to take some time at home, working on his fitness at the same time.

instead he has a pop and damages his relationship with the player further. Needless and stupid from Mourinho.

He should take a leaf out of Fergie's book when it comes to man management

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Ok that's it lets start a go fund me for a Sir Alex clone. He is an amazing man and one hell of a manager.
 
flappyjay said:
Ok that's it lets start a go fund me for a Sir Alex clone. He is an amazing man and one hell of a manager.
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These qualities are of a person who isn't a twat. They aren't exclusive to Sir Alex, we just need a manager who isn't a miserable twat of a person who loves to throw his players under the bus and excuse himself of any blame whatsoever for results or situations. Funnily enough I can really only think of Mourinho that does that these days. Sir Alex is only being brought up as a frame of reference, as the only good manager we've had since he started here, and probably the only good manager most people on here have seen for us, I don't think anybody is clamouring for a clone of Sir Alex, but how about anybody that instills some actual positivity around the damn club, that could be a start.

It's a becoming a case of worrying everytime Mourinho opens his mouth what shit is he going to say about the squad, individual players, the board, the club, the fans.
 
L1nk said:
These qualities are of a person who isn't a twat. They aren't exclusive to Sir Alex, we just need a manager who isn't a miserable twat of a person who loves to throw his players under the bus and excuse himself of any blame whatsoever for results or situations. Funnily enough I can really only think of Mourinho that does that these days. Sir Alex is only being brought up as a frame of reference, as the only good manager we've had since he started here, and probably the only good manager most people on here have seen for us, I don't think anybody is clamouring for a clone of Sir Alex, but how about anybody that instills some actual positivity around the damn club, that could be a start.

It's a becoming a case of worrying everytime Mourinho opens his mouth what shit is he going to say about the squad, individual players, the board, the club, the fans.
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Exactly. A lot of the things he says should be kept in house, some shouldn't be said at all. The thing with the youth on tour for instance, we all know they are not gonna be in the squad and there no need to say it. Someone who was putting in a lot of effort to get noticed would be crushed by that statement.
 
I bet there's less bitchiness in the love island thread than this one. Incredible.

Martial giving it his all could be the difference between points at the start of the season and the title at the end. You're all so willing to excuse his behaviour because you dislike Jose but his lack of commitment and dedication is also to all us fans and its perplexing why people are okay with that.
 
Harry190 said:
As much as I am not a big fan of him anymore, his children should absolutely take precedence over a few football matches.

Manchester United touts itself as a family club with all the luggage that comes with it. Even the manager has to buy into that. You can't portray yourself as one thing and complain about its implications afterwards.
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He should 100% be allowed to witness the birth of his child, as every man should. However, he is paid an astronomical figure per week to do a job and sacrificies have to be made.

Jose Mourinho is a compassionate man, regardless of what people think, but I think Martial is taking the piss here.

I would of course want to spend as much time as possible with my new child if I wasn’t in that position, but I’m not a premier league footballer and don’t have a responsibility to my team.
 
Woodzy said:
He should 100% be allowed to witness the birth of his child, as every man should. However, he is paid an astronomical figure per week to do a job and sacrificies have to be made.

Jose Mourinho is a compassionate man, regardless of what people think, but I think Martial is taking the piss here.

I would of course want to spend as much time as possible with my new child if I wasn’t in that position, but I’m not a premier league footballer and don’t have a responsibility to my team.
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So what do you suggest he does? He flied out around Wednesday, had the child around Thursday. Want him to fly back to the states 2 days later, and then fly back to manchester another 4 days later? What the feck is the point in that? He wouldn't be playing anyway and he wouldnt be training. It's not like he's flying within the same country. Hes flying across the ocean. It's a huge difference. It does him absolutely no good to fly to England, fly back to US, then back to England all within the space of a week. Its fecking idiotic to do that when trying to build up fitness actually. Just train in England separately and meet up when they come back.

Even ignoring the fact he had a baby, it would make no sense. Having a baby though? Its basic levels of human compassion. Its meaningless pre-season, just stay there for a few days and then re-join the team when they're back on the continent.
 
Smores said:
I bet there's less bitchiness in the love island thread than this one. Incredible.

Martial giving it his all could be the difference between points at the start of the season and the title at the end. You're all so willing to excuse his behaviour because you dislike Jose but his lack of commitment and dedication is also to all us fans and its perplexing why people are okay with that.
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Woodzy said:
He should 100% be allowed to witness the birth of his child, as every man should. However, he is paid an astronomical figure per week to do a job and sacrificies have to be made.

Jose Mourinho is a compassionate man, regardless of what people think, but I think Martial is taking the piss here.

I would of course want to spend as much time as possible with my new child if I wasn’t in that position, but I’m not a premier league footballer and don’t have a responsibility to my team.
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It's a job, he's entitled to some Paternity leave regardless of how much he is being paid. How about instead of more slagging off in the media he just handles it in house with Martial personally. I for one would not leave immediately after the birth of my child for a pre-season game that according to most, including Mourinho himself, was pointless anyway, if this was mid season i'd be more inclined to think like Mourinho, but is a pre season tour... a few extra days with his child won't hurt.

But if it's the other side of the coin, and Martial is just being unprofessional about it all because he doesn't want to return, i'd be more inclined to agree with Mourinho, but to be honest he treats Martial like shit so I can't say I blame him, genuinely if I was a player under Mourinho i wouldn't be bothered, at all, if I had a boss like that in my job i'd just quit, end of story, no way in hell would I want to work under a boss as miserable as him, who would throw me and my colleagues under the bus everytime something went wrong, i can guarantee you not one single person would, but footballers, despite being human, are expected to because they get paid a bit more. Nah, it isn't how the real world works.
 
No matter what Jose feels about Martials presence or absence, why oh why does he have to talk about it to the press?
 
I think it's the press jumping on the way Jose phrased himself tbh. More media beating for the sake of it.
 
Compare Klopp with Clyne and Mourinho with Martial.

Jose just comes across as a bit of a dick. Maybe it was phrased wrong but expecting him back after 2/3 days is nonsense in my opinion.
 
Baxter said:
Compare Klopp with Clyne and Mourinho with Martial.

Jose just comes across as a bit of a dick. Maybe it was phrased wrong but expecting him back after 2/3 days is nonsense in my opinion.
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If it was just going back into training in Manchester then that's one thing but to expect him to travel halfway around the world, just for a few days before going back to England then that's pretty ridiculous.

Martial is legally entitled to 18 weeks paternity leave, obviously he won't take that but expecting him to fly to another continent for a friendly, 3 days after his kid was born is unreasonable.
 
Hisha said:
any idea when he is coming back?
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When he left I figured he would just meet up with them in Manchester, makes the most sense rather then flying from North America to Europe and back multiple times in 1 week.
 
Adisa said:
Club would have given him a timeframe. It's either he is late or he isn't. Bickering with your player doesn't do anything good.
Feck both of them tbh.
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Are people convinced that Jose's statement indicates that he believes Martial has actually taken too long, or is late? You're correct to say that one would have expected that a time-frame for Martial returning would have been pre-agreed between him and the club.
 
Cant really understood how can some guys defend a player with this attitude. Martial has an awfull attitude like some of Manchester United players that Mourinho keeps talking (smalling, shaw).

You should all ask the player walked to fire and brimstone to help the club, you should always ask for the any player on the club be there for the one at their left or the one at their right, to help and to create a cohesive team.

Not for someone to say, i want to be with my child and feck off those friendlies, not to let the team look bad when he is one of the only from the A team present in the pre season. That's not the example the older ones should give to the new players incoming to the team.

Having a child it's important and we all know that but he just doesn't show he is a leader or even a part of the team and this was just another example.
 
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