Maybe it is. Personally I’d rather a manager show who’s boss. For five years we’ve had players run the show and know they can outlast a manager and we’ve gotten nowhere. The manager has to be the one in control, not the players.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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That doesn't apply to Mourinho though. He foregoes his daughter's graduation for his job. He expects players to play when injured. He expects players to cut their holidays short for the team...even after playing in a World Cup. He expects players to train with the team rather than spend quality time with newborns.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting it. What is wrong is just doing it without your employers permission. I want 5 day weekends but it’s not going to happen.
You must live a sheltered existence.
He didn't just not pick him, he completely froze him out. He even admitted later that his treatment of Schweinie was wrong. The point I'm making is that respect works both ways. Yeah Martial might be out of order by not reporting for work when expected. Well, I'm guessing he is.
Jose will rightly see this as lack of respect but like I said he's in no position to talk.
As discussed earlier he doesn’t need his employers permission and his employer has no right to force it since he is entitled to up to 2 weeks. Jose doesn’t have a fecking leg to stand on. His girlfriends first child, anyone have any idea how stressful a period this is probably going to be in her life, all the work she is going to do, the lack of sleep, probably not having time to look after her self and so on. Would be a no brainier for me, you go home to be with your wife, help her and look after your child. There shouldn’t need to be this amount of debate about it.
It’s got nothing to do with respect though. It’s about doing your job. Not picking somebody for your squad is not the same as leaving the squad and not coming back.
Overrated - José's has a group of players he gets on & whilst they have significant things in common - work rate & physicality.
Everyone and everybody else is up against it.
Whilst work rate & physicality is being turned in to things like personality - it's being turned by Jose fans in to believing that Jose is right to stand up to players with bad personality! Things like pure physicality turned martial & Rashford from up & coming strikers to wingers in the same position
José's standing up to players is only making us a club full of physical dominant players who have a good work rate.
Whilst people continue to bamboozle themselves with random flashy players - the ones we always wanted is willian, Perisic as much as we wanted fellaini to sign & needed Ibrahimpvic & Lukaku as target men.
This abnormality we call about bad personality is pure bias to a type of football Jose manages & nothing else. He doesn't need players that are not good enough to play his grindy type football that is a mirror image of most of his teams throughout his career.
The guy is not new anymore - has weaknesses that even fans in his own club can see. Hiding behind him & pretending that all he has is a squad full of bad personality is not right - he has a squad that attempts to prioritise work rate & physicality over the beauty of the game.
Can't fool us.
You really think there’s been no discussion whatsoever between Mourinho and Martial regarding his absence at all? Going by Mourinho’s history of comments like this it’s far more likely that he’s just speaking in frustration here.
Also there’s no need to start with personal attacks. I would humor you and tell you exactly how demanding my job actually is, but I don’t think I find any value in this interaction anymore. You’re acting like Martial has personally destroyed your life.
I don't think Martial cares and I'm not sure that having that attitude in the squad helps.
And United are entitled to not pay him for that time.
So what happens in two weeks time then? Will the girlfriend not still have a lot to do? Is two weeks enough time for him? Might as well sit out the next 9 months.
I beleive it’s 80% of his wage they pay over that period of time. Yeah he and she will in 2 weeks time but hopefully by then she will be a lot more confident. What a silly point. Martial would be back by then anyway, to help her out.
It’s pretty simple. The manager lets you leave for the birth of your child. He asks you to head back after this. You do it.
You can see the kid again when the whole team is back in Manchester in a few weeks. You get paid 100k a week, suck it up.
You can see the kid again when the whole team is back in Manchester in a few weeks. You get paid 100k a week, suck it up.
I’m sure they have. I’m also sure if he wasn’t annoyed by it he would say so.
You started the personal attacks by saying I was being aggressive. If you think this is acting like somebody has destroyed their life’s you should take a look at any thread about Jose Mourinho. He at least has the decency to try and do his job.
He’s entitled to £145 a week.
We can say the same about
PEP has a group of players he gets on & whilst they have significant things in common - good on the ball & positional discipline.
Everyone and everybody else is up against it.
Klopp has a group of players he gets on & whilst they have significant things in common -high work rate & movement.
Everyone and everybody else is up against it.
Takeaway being , every manager is different and they needs their players to be doing as they asked or risk being kicked out.
It seems like Martial doesn't care about United anymore.
For some players, being on the bench is a motivation to prove themselves to the manager when the chance is provided but he has just been frustrated.
He has a weak personality.
For some players, being on the bench is a motivation to prove themselves to the manager when the chance is provided but he has just been frustrated.
He has a weak personality.
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He doesn't care to be here at United anymore. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt but then I remember his performances in preseason. He had no interest in impressing the manager or in securing a place in the team.
He wants out and if he stays, I thing he will have a disastrous impact on team morale. I'd take £60M for him happily.
Totally get it - but a manager who constantly let's go of technically gifted players who are not one in a many due to favouring pure work rate - then I'd say it's not surprising that many people are not happy with what they are seeing.
Pep would sell fellaini for martial - Jose would sell martial for fellaini.
That's where things are wrong - his type of grindy football is fine when there we act like the underdogs as he did at Chelsea, inter & real vs barca, but not here, not anymore.
We got teams here in the EPL in the top 6 or 7 with really good technical quality - this is not a league we can win by pure work rate any more & that's why we came close but came second on his traditional 2nd best of seasons. We need something more than work rate whilst he is here but he is continuing to not grow in to his role here - making willian come in to add more work rate rather than pure quality - not because that's what's available because that is all he manages.
For that - expecting something different is not going to happen. If Jose manages one way - we continue to play one way. That one way aims to win matches by physicality & work rate over pure technical ability - the general ability to play & in this current era the results will also suffer.
You know, Martial is a human being, new born babies are, I know it might be surprising to some, but they are more important than football, especially more important than some nothing pre season game. For Mourinho to be annoyed at this is ridiculous, you only have to look at Klopp's attitude towards Clyne and his new born child to see what a pedantic idiot Mourinho is being about this because he clearly has an agenda against him. Is Martial getting paid more than most people, yeah, but it's a job and he's entitled to some paternity leave, I wouldn't want to leave my newborn baby and mother the next day to join up with that miserable twat who hates me for a some nothing friendlies in another country, Mourinho should instead be saying it's great that Martials had his kid and that it's healthy, and that hopefully he should be joining us back on the tour soon as soon as he's ready. It's moments like these you don't wanna miss in life, like when Ferguson said to Ronaldo to take as much time off as he wanted mid season after the death of his father. Mourinho needs to grow up and anyone defending him needs to wake up to this man, his attitude, and his antics, if his demeanour and recent quotes haven't brought you up to speed on this man yet I suggest you check again.
It's not true is it? Jose would swap Martial for Willain , who's of a player with application, pace, flair. He starts for Brazil NT regularly which is not easy to get in.
Willian is not just workrate, rewatch his videos, he is incredibly talented and gifted footballer with flair and pace . That's the reason teams like Barca was behind him even though they had O. Dembele for the same position. On top of that we have added Fred who known for great technical ability and not for his physicality.
Pep teams plays one way only planA. Klopp teams play one way only plan A. Jose teams could play in multiple ways. There is no one right way to play football. It's like a math problem, can be solved in multiple ways. Jose winning where ever hes been in proves his methods does work.
I don’t want to defend Martial as he is letting the club down by the looks of it. But seeing Jose moan is cringeworthy.
You don’t throw people under the bus and then expect they fight for you.
Managers like SAF had his players running through brick walls for him. Martial probably wants to move and somebody is going to get a player on the cheap.
You don’t throw people under the bus and then expect they fight for you.
Managers like SAF had his players running through brick walls for him. Martial probably wants to move and somebody is going to get a player on the cheap.
Funny because José was one of those managers that players wanted to play for in the past. Eto'o and Zlatan were a couple that comes to mind.
Must be that generational gap has caught up to José.
Must be that generational gap has caught up to José.
Disgusting. Martial is probably gone, but imagine the effect this kind of bollocks this has on the rest of the squad.
Mourinho is bang out of order complaining about this. It's fecking pre-season and he wants him to leave the country after 1 day of being with his new-born when the team is going to fly back in a week anyway. As if we needed more reasons to dislike the guy. An example of how you SHOULD react to the topic of your player having a child:
/thread basically. Seriously, feck Mourinho.
/thread basically. Seriously, feck Mourinho.
Mourinho has basically took a shit on this tour non stop and now throws Martial under the bus for staying with his newborn child a little longer rather than rushing back for a game Mourinho himself deems meaningless, you can bet if Fellaini or Lingard were the ones at home with a new kid he'd not flap his gums.
Everything you need to know about Mourinho’s and Klopp’s way of management. And some will wonder why Liverpool players will leave their heart for Klopp, while we have a civil war every other week.
Also just think of it logistically. He leaves Wednesday to fly to Manchester for the childbirth (which is no vacation). Hes not going to make the game on the Saturday no matter what, and the team will be back in Manchester in about a week anyway. Wouldnt it make sense to just stay there and train? Instead of flying to manchester, flying back to the USA in a few days to fly a bunch of times, then to fly back to Manchester a few days later? Its idiotic and he would barely be able to train at all with that. Just let the guy stay with his new born like a decent human being.
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You really have to stop comparing your job, stupid country and stupid culture to Martial's.
Such a huge difference in their attitude. Same with Pep and Jose when it comes to using young players in the tour. Pep saw the positives in working with them, Jose moaned about how we are missing so many first team players in the tour.
I agree but at least Guardiola and Klopp have the brains to sell players they don't need and sign players that suit them unlike Mourinho.
José is such an idiot. Some of these quotes begs the question if he really wishes to keep managing us at all.
Sick of Jose for a good few months now. Such a horrible energy coming out of this man, I wouldn't mind if he gets the sack quick.
Mourinho has got to go. Negative tactics and the most boring football I have ever seen. Even Fergies 89 team was a lot more fun to watch. Sack the bastard before it's too late. The only thing I hope for the coming season is that Vermin or City doesn't win it anyway. Bring in a new manager NOW, have an off-season and then take it from there.
What does Martial not coming back have to do with us losing and being completely outplayed by fecking kids? Excuses, excuses. Mourinho doing what he does best nowadays. Blaming anything and everything but himself. What style do we even play anymore, what attacking tactics, with what players?
After the lack of faith Martial has received from the manager in the last 2 years, people still expect Martial to play his heart out for Jose?
Mourinho has lost the plot, and the way we played in this tour is sufficient proof of that. The spiral has begun, see how his moaning keeps on increasing as the season goes on. And it's about Martial today, tomorrow it will be about Pogba, next the likes of Andreas, Rashford, Shaw etc. Anyone but him. Coupled with the club management we have, their lack of proper planning, a distinct lack of sense of direction about the future, we could see something 'special' this season.
After the lack of faith Martial has received from the manager in the last 2 years, people still expect Martial to play his heart out for Jose?
Mourinho has lost the plot, and the way we played in this tour is sufficient proof of that. The spiral has begun, see how his moaning keeps on increasing as the season goes on. And it's about Martial today, tomorrow it will be about Pogba, next the likes of Andreas, Rashford, Shaw etc. Anyone but him. Coupled with the club management we have, their lack of proper planning, a distinct lack of sense of direction about the future, we could see something 'special' this season.
Mourinho is a cnut, at times I thought it was a role he was giving himself but he just might be a sad cnut after all
feck him off and try for Pulisic or Dembele or whoever. His attitude is clearly shit and is passionless on the pitch.
Outstanding talent who will eventually be banging in loads in Spain or France.
Outstanding talent who will eventually be banging in loads in Spain or France.
I think Martial wants to find another job, the club is just not letting him leave.
Mourinho has alienated Martial to the point where he's actually refusing to return to work. Never known anything like it at this club. The man is toxic
He used to be a better man manager. His first Chelsea stint and Inter are proof of that. I think he lost trust in players after Madrid. Some of the players he fell out with in Madrid are of the same generation, so it can't be a generation thing
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