Lol people who disagree with you "need to get a grip". Totally not arrogant.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Pogba is twice the player Martial is or ever will be.
Martial is the most overhyped young player ever by our fanbase. He's never been good enough to be regular starter from France.
@Regulus Arcturus Black this is just one example and if you read the few pages back you will find more. Clearly there are people here who do not rate this kid.
Even to go as far as to say hes never been good enough to be a starter when he was probably our best outfield player under LVG.
Fact is clearly some fans underrate him as much as some in here overrate him.
It's not arrogant if he is right. And he is.
No. People who claim nonsensical garbage need to get a grip, which you conveniently did not address. Did you tally it up yet?
Not arrogant, just right.
That’s not exactly all though. Diego costa, cesc Fabregas, Willian and hazard were all very good for him at Chelsea and were key in the title win. Fabregas’ best season I think came under Jose. That’s just his successful attackers at Chelsea second stint. Not even considering all those people at his previous stints like lampard and deco. For every Salah there is also a ton of others who thrive under him.
He’s just turned 22 his potential is obvious, he needs games.
If it’s at United or elsewhere he will be a top player for in the coming years.
Put it this way he’ll spend the vast majority of his career at a top club and we’ll be wondering why the feck he wasn’t given more starts here.
It was only 6 months, did you see him after Jan and then the following season, car crash!
I would think this was complete bollocks, but Jose seems obsessed with Willian. He'd part with Martial in a heartbeat to get Willian at OT. I'm sure Willian would be a decent addition 'SHORT TERM' for our right hand side. But short-term is all it would be. Like Matic, like Sanchez, like Zlatan, like Mkhi (28/29 when we bought him). Jose is aiming for short-term success which I don't exactly blame him for, as he knows that 3 seasons with no title would likely mean he's hounded out of the club. Especially playing dire football.
Cesc was exceptional the title winning season. Especially playing in midfield as part of a pivot with Matic. It may not be all season but he was world class that season something that he wasn’t fully able to manage at barca and even arsenal (he managed 18 assists which is the joint highest ever)
The following season everyone was bad.
If he's not careful he'll become a Payet, or Ben Arfa type player, will do great things at times, but just doesn't quite have the drive to make the most of what he's got.
For the right deal, I'm not against him leaving personally.
For the right deal, I'm not against him leaving personally.
@Cassidy has he ever been a regular starter for France
It did say from France, so I assumed the OP meant from his time in France
Thats why I said 6 months because he had about 16 of these by Jan! He was very poor in the run in for the title, and that continued the season after
Anyway not to derail the thread
Ah I get ya, but think we can be pretty certain the poster meant “for France” as he mentions Pogba in there too.
I’ll keep saying it with Martial, if he’s as talented as most of us think he is, he should have zero problems forcing himself into Mourinho’s team. So far, he hasn’t done that for me and he is capable of much more.
No one can predict long term on how a player is going to pan out. A competent young player may stop developing, have a bad injury hindering his development or just choose to switch to a better club. How many players spend their 20-30 in the same club? If Willian would be bringing us instant success(not saying that is a given), then we should be looking at him. Trophies unlocks access to elite players and that should be our only goal. We are rich enough and can buy anyone on the market if the player feels he's going to win with us. Playing a young player in certain unimportant games or when others are out injured is fine, but they should not be the ones depended to bring success. Likes of Isco, Assensio, Cabellos all are very young and proven but do not start for Madrid nor Dybala who is almost 24 and does not make it to Juventu's starting 11 every week. Lets just dump the word 'short term' as it doesn't mean anything anymore in football. Lots of players are quite active until they are 35 due to advancement in medicine.
Exactly, this is the point people keep missing. We want him, he wants out. It's that simple. You could argue Jose shouldn't even bother playing a player who wants to leave.
I hope that isn't true
Willian fits in where we need a player, and I presume he'd actually want to be at Utd.
Chelsea won't sell us another good player. Will they?
Martial is non existent when the ball isn't at his feet. His lack of movement to create space for others or run in behind defences is what annoys Mourinho. When he has the ball and can take defenders on he's great to watch but there's more to the game than that.
If a player doesn't have the right attitude they'll never fulfil their potential no matter what team they play for. Martial has some serious growing up to do, every few months since he's been here stories get leaked about wanting to leave.
And he said twice the rumours weren't true in the past. There are rumours every few months about Pogba wanting to leave and we know they're bollocks, but yeah, blame Martial for what the papers wrote about him leaving last year.
It is pretty good. In club:
From Top 6 attackers:
He doesn't shoot that much compared to the others but his shots on target conversion is great.
Interesting stuff. I'd say then that this strengthens the argument to have him as a striker, which I know is already echoed by quite a lot of posters and fans. Wouldn't hurt to rotate him and Lukaku, or maybe if the heavens allow, have a front two of Lukaku and Martial.
Yeah I'd love him to play up top, but he's not better than Lukaku at the moment and we aren't in a position where we can afford to drop points whilst waiting for a player to develop.
I also wouldn't mind a 442 but we don't have the players for either of the RM/LM spots.
Let Fellaini go as well.
It's pretty simple, they both got offered new contracts. It's not as United is actively trying to get rid of Martial.
Giving him to Chelsea to get one of Jose's beloved workhorse soldiers would be another nail in the coffin. Hopefully Martial tries to wait Mourinho out and stick in at United.
Love how people twist reality when it comes to Martial, suddenly people turn into gold fishes and forget what went on during this season. So all the the weight of rejecting an offer is on him 
Seeing some critics over here - just wait when he's sold and he's ripping up the league. I will quote each one of these stupid comments saying he's overrated. Some of you lot can't see the talent the boy has - you just have to give him the ball more often and quickly. He's a superb footballer and is only going to get better.
I not quite sure why everyone is so hell bent on slagging off very good players like Sanchez and Willian to try and prove some point about Martial
. Can't you do that without spouting nonsense about other players, like claiming Willian is some kind of right midfield Darren Fletcher.
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I see a lot of talk here about perhaps martial can be sold to Chelsea...when last have we sold a player to Chelsea and especially one with so much promise?
Its reported that Juve are interested, if Douglas Costa is coming the other way it might be a deal worth considering.
Its reported that Juve are interested, if Douglas Costa is coming the other way it might be a deal worth considering.
I not quite sure why everyone is so hell bent on slagging off very good players like Sanchez and Willian to try and prove some point about Martial
I didn't say anything about Sanchez and I don't give a shit about a Youtube comp, Mourinho loves Willian because he's dogged like Lingard and follows orders while putting in the graft, he's ok on the ball but nowhere near as exciting as Martial who is also 8 years younger, it would be a travesty to trade them.
I wouldn’t trade them either but you’re doing Willian a huge disservice there, he’s a top player, light years ahead of the likes of Lingard.
Deco, Ronaldo, Di Maria, Zlatan, Sneijder, Lampard, Drogba, Hazard, Özil, Carvalho, Terry, Ashley Cole.
That went really quick.
I don't think he's a top player personally, he's a decent player but that's it IMO, and this season I don't think he's been that much better than Lingard overall.
Don't think he's wrong whatever he decides to do. Just think in our current state of rebuilding we need as little drama as possible and fighters. I'll not blame him for wanting to leave and I don't agree with him seeing so little playing time lately but we need players with a strong mentality and that fighting spirit right now. If/when we get back to the top we'll have the luxury of being able to cope with a bit of "drama" around the club. Right now we really need to focus on our football and nothing else. He's not happy? Then he should be sold. We can't have players bringing down morale at this time.
If I had a say I would have played him more but that's not up to me.
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It's not good to blankly believe everything you've been told. You gotta read between the lines.
And it's been confirmed that Pogba's agent was trying to sell him to other clubs, by the agent himself.
Random tabloid rumours are one thing but there was numerous and reliable outlets all running with the Martial story hence why Mourinho came out and said he needed to listen to me and not his agent.
Spot on. If we let Mourinho have his way and build the team he as an established and winning manager expects to , then we might get rid of the weakness and poor mentality that's weighed the club down since Sir Alex left. If this season has shown with Jose beating every other team, including the record breakers, letting the manager do his job unrestricted leads to year over year improvement. We can't have that. As entitled United fans, the last thing we want is more trophies. We need players like Martial to stay. They're so exciting and young it's the United way. I'd rather watch him dribble three players and shoot into the stands every time than see us play long balls and beat yet another rival and make another cup final. Like Woodward said, United is a Disneyland...it's here to inspire aahs and oohs right away...not functional and effective football as we rediscover our winning ways. In the words of a famous civilian, someone with heart like us, "Ain't nobody got time for that."
Couldn't agree more. He could be an outstanding player but he needs to offer more than he's offering. He shown he can create and score, he needs to now show other elements to developing his game. For me as a modern forward, he doesn't work hard enough to win back the ball.
That was way too long winded to be as funny as I'm sure you thought it was as you typed it out.