Barca & Juventus are also interested. Thats what worries me as well. If those super clubs are interest in him then what does that say about Jose?
Can we at least stop bangning on about Salah. Literally no one cared when he left Chelsea. It wasn’t a 'farce' at all.
They should be interested in him, he's a talented player. And super clubs should be interested in our players, it means we've got good players. But being interested doesn't equate to he will go there and be an instant worldwide megastar. We can't predict the future.
Barcelona sold Neymar, fecking Neymar. What does that say about Barcelona? Are they idiots for selling him? It certainly didn't improve their chances of winning the CL this year did it. So was that a good or bad move?
They should be interested in him, he's a talented player. And super clubs should be interested in our players, it means we've got good players. But being interested doesn't equate to he will go there and be an instant worldwide megastar. We can't predict the future.
Barcelona sold Neymar, fecking Neymar. What does that say about Barcelona? Are they idiots for selling him? It certainly didn't improve their chances of winning the CL this year did it. So was that a good or bad move?
They should be interested in him, he's a talented player. And super clubs should be interested in our players, it means we've got good players. But being interested doesn't equate to he will go there and be an instant worldwide megastar. We can't predict the future.
Barcelona sold Neymar, fecking Neymar. What does that say about Barcelona? Are they idiots for selling him? It certainly didn't improve their chances of winning the CL this year did it. So was that a good or bad move?
Barca played hell with PSG because they didn't want to sell Neymar, so it says Barca know their players.
Bayern and Juventus have the best scouts and coaches in the business, so if they think Martial is worth having, it means he's got the potential to be top class, which Jose isn't getting out of him here.
Thats the worry.
Barca played hell with PSG because they didn't want to sell Neymar, so it says Barca know their players.
Bayern and Juventus have the best scouts and coaches in the business, so if they think Martial is worth having, it means he's got the potential to be top class, which Jose isn't getting out of him here.
Thats the worry.
It's also the norm. Who is he getting the best out of?
Barca played hell with PSG because they didn't want to sell Neymar, so it says Barca know their players.
Bayern and Juventus have the best scouts and coaches in the business, so if they think Martial is worth having, it means he's got the potential to be top class, which Jose isn't getting out of him here.
Thats the worry.
Well, indeed.
This is one of the reasons I'm now in the Jose out camp.
Does it?
Bayern need replacing their wingers. Martial is an available wide man. I'd be surprised if their interest wasn't concrete. It didn't mean we are making a mistake letting him go. I strongly doubt the interest would be as concrete if Bayern had Sanchez in their side.
True, but still... a manager needs players who can play his tactics, and if Martial can't, he has to sell when he can still get ££ for him.
We can't just keep a really good player because he's good, when he doesn't play well enough for us, and is too incosistent.
True, but still... a manager needs players who can play his tactics, and if Martial can't, he has to sell when he can still get ££ for him.
We can't just keep a really good player because he's good, when he doesn't play well enough for us, and is too incosistent.
If they do that, they'll be out of the team before you can blink.Maybe he doesn't produce performances often enough because he's 22 and in and out of the squad? Maybe, just maybe sticking with him even when he's playing poorly would pay off in the end? I don't know.
SAF stuck with Ronaldo for example. Turned out not that bad.
Rashford is another example. No place for him now that we've commited to Lukaku being our main striker going forward. How long til he demands a move?
What hopes do Chong and Gomes have? Do they need to perform like Sanchez from day one?
Yea, figured I didn't quite give a good example. I mean Sanchez on form or something, though we haven't really seen that yet.If they do that, they'll be out of the team before you can blink.
Who says that?Yeah but you know, running around a lot matters more or something
True, but still... a manager needs players who can play his tactics, and if Martial can't, he has to sell when he can still get ££ for him.
We can't just keep a really good player because he's good, when he doesn't play well enough for us, and is too incosistent.
I just think its a big risk letting him go & I'm not even his biggest fan. He annoys me a lot of the time but the talent is there. A better team/manager could get more out of him.
Maybe he doesn't produce performances often enough because he's 22 and in and out of the squad? Maybe, just maybe sticking with him even when he's playing poorly would pay off in the end? I don't know.
SAF stuck with Ronaldo for example. Turned out not that bad.
Rashford is another example. No place for him now that we've commited to Lukaku being our main striker going forward. How long til he demands a move?
What hopes do Chong and Gomes have? Do they need to perform like Sanchez from day one?
Yeah, it does. If Bayern and their staff think he's worth having, it means he's an elite talent. Of course they get things wrong just like any other club, but they also get a lot right. Same as Juventus.
When both of them are in for Martial, plus a side as good as Barca, it's a concern. I just think its a big risk letting him go & I'm not even his biggest fan. He annoys me a lot of the time but the talent is there. A better team/manager could get more out of him.
Wow. So what if he would have? Probably to the detriment of results and league position too. You don't change the entire structure for one player. If he was good enough for that, he'd already look something close to a world beater.
He has an aura about him that Mourinho cannot match. Say what you will, but nowadays, players have changed and will respond much better to former great players they've watched on tv than regular managers who've won.
I don't know anything about league position. That's just speculation.
He was definitely producing it often enough till he got shunted around for no fault of his own when he was playing superbly.This is the interesting misinterpretation of the KDB and Salah situation at Chelsea. Jose let De Bruyne and Salah go yes but not because he thought they weren't good, they just weren't good enough to replace players already in the team.
KDB left because he demanded more playing time, time that Jose couldn't give him.
Jose never sold Salah, he let Salah go on loan (first to Fiorentina and then Roma and again why wouldn't he, Chelsea had won the league without Salah so there wasn't a place in the team, so a loan move to get him game time and experience made sense). Jose was sacked at Chelsea in December 2015. Chelsea sold Salah to Roma in August 2016 when Jose wasn't even at the club.
Jose has also not said Martial is not good enough. He just wants him to be better more consistently.
No one is denying Martial's talent, the issue is he does not produce it often enough.
Tuchel, Nagelsmann and Klopp were all mediocre players, at best. If they ever played. Tedesco, another rising star amongst German coaches, never had a significant playing career either. I’d say it doesn’t matter at all. All the players care for is wether or not the guy in charge is useful to them or not.Do you know many professional football players and have received feedback on this? Or are you simply basing this on 2 once great players, who have gotten clubs with some wonderful players in them. Allegri must be the exception or maybe Emery or maybe Valverde, none of whom we're great players, but all managed to win their respective leagues, something which Zidane failed to do this season. I'll take Heynckes out of the equation as no current players would ever have watched him and he's actually doing a better job than Pep managed during his tenure at Bayern.
He will be brilliant if he plays for a more cohesive attacking unit. Hopefully that ends up being us.
He was definitely producing it often enough till he got shunted around for no fault of his own when he was playing superbly.
Martial is 22. Footballers are a tad inconsistent at that age. Which is why despite being good this season Same flopped in the CL knockout stages. And one has to remember that were a bloody dysfunctional team going forward. We don't have a right side. Our best LB is Ashely Young FFS. And our manager has spent 120 million on a midfield with huge issues.
I think this is the key point. Jose had his mind made up about Martial long ago hence his dogged pursuit of Perisic and starting of Rashford early in the season. Martial is smart enough to know he is not wanted and will make the correct decision to leave this summer. None of us would want to work for a manager that doesn't believe in us and is trying to replace us for a whole year. Why should Martial fight for his place here when he worked hard, got into form and still got replaced.I just knew it, when we signed Sanchez. Lots people in that thread were telling me how Sanchez will play on the right, or in the middle, or as a striker. No way he's replacing Martial.
Had we signed Perisic in the summer, Martial would've demanded a move even sooner, probably this past winter.
I do agree with this. But for his inconsistency why would he expect to play more given the fierce competition on the squad?
Mourinho isn't forcing him out. He's probably a key part to Mourinho's long term plans if he keeps plugging away but reportedly he has been not so keen to commit. I don't think it's as much to do with Sanchez either, he wasnt signing an extension before he joined if I remember correctly.
is this the same mourinho that spoke ever so highly of shaw right before young came back? I dont trust anything that comes out of mou's mouth anymoreThis is the point that is vastly overlooked on here. The whole Jose has an agenda against him is baseless. He always speaks highly of him and acknowledges his talent.
Jose wanted to replace him in the summer with Perisic and then started Rashford earlier in the season. He only started to use Martial when Rashford's form dipped significantly. Then as soon as another transfer window presented itself he signed Sanchez despite Martial being in very good form.This is the point that is vastly overlooked on here. The whole Jose has an agenda against him is baseless. He always speaks highly of him and acknowledges his talent.
is this the same mourinho that spoke ever so highly of shaw right before young came back? I dont trust anything that comes out of mou's mouth anymore
Only if you put the manager before the players. At any italian club and most spanish amd german clubs it's the other way aroundTrue, but still... a manager needs players who can play his tactics, and if Martial can't, he has to sell when he can still get ££ for him.
Barca played hell with PSG because they didn't want to sell Neymar, so it says Barca know their players.
Bayern and Juventus have the best scouts and coaches in the business, so if they think Martial is worth having, it means he's got the potential to be top class, which Jose isn't getting out of him here.
Thats the worry.
Yeah, it does. If Bayern and their staff think he's worth having, it means he's an elite talent. Of course they get things wrong just like any other club, but they also get a lot right. Same as Juventus.
When both of them are in for Martial, plus a side as good as Barca, it's a concern. I just think its a big risk letting him go & I'm not even his biggest fan. He annoys me a lot of the time but the talent is there. A better team/manager could get more out of him.
I understand a manager needs players that suit his tactics but what if his tactics are out of touch with the modern game where all the biggest sides in Europe play a possitive, attacking game? Except for us.
Maybe he doesn't produce performances often enough because he's 22 and in and out of the squad? Maybe, just maybe sticking with him even when he's playing poorly would pay off in the end? I don't know.
SAF stuck with Ronaldo for example. Turned out not that bad.
Rashford is another example. No place for him now that we've commited to Lukaku being our main striker going forward. How long til he demands a move?
What hopes do Chong and Gomes have? Do they need to perform like Sanchez from day one?
Who says Barcelona have a concrete interest? Their recent transfers also include the likes of Gomes and Turan along with Dennis Suarez (although I haven't seen a Lot of Barcelona to be as firm on this) none of whom have been world class. As for Bayern, they bought and flipped Costa and Sanchez of late. Kingsley Coman is about their only young wide midfielder left so it makes sense they'd be interested in Martial.
I don't disagree he has talent, I'm just questioning why it's a concern. There are many players who have come on the radar for top clubs at the same time as Martial, so when we look to replace Sanchez I don't think we'd be having much of an issue finding talent.
The biggest, most successful clubs today play a progressive, attacking game. They are not reactive or focused on how to stop the opposition. All winners of the big 5 leagues will have this in common.
So thats why its a concern. Are we going to sell off talented players like Martial who will thrive in more fluid systems, (Bayern believe this, if they're trying to buy him) in order to build a team around a more cautious, perhaps out-dated system?
We all want to be back in the top tier with Bayern, Barca, Madrid and sadly, City. We all surely want to play the football they play rather than what we've had since the turn of the year. Newcastle, Sevilla, West Brom to name just a few.
He is a talented player who I think has failed to shine this season.
I would like him to stay but of he wants a move and has rejected a new contract, feck him let him go, if he is not willing to fight for his place , dont want him here.
While all that is true, perhaps Jose needs to look a little closer to home first. Why is he not getting the best out of these talents, when other "lesser" coaches can?This is the interesting misinterpretation of the KDB and Salah situation at Chelsea. Jose let De Bruyne and Salah go yes but not because he thought they weren't good, they just weren't good enough to replace players already in the team.
KDB left because he demanded more playing time, time that Jose couldn't give him.
Jose never sold Salah, he let Salah go on loan (first to Fiorentina and then Roma and again why wouldn't he, Chelsea had won the league without Salah so there wasn't a place in the team, so a loan move to get him game time and experience made sense). Jose was sacked at Chelsea in December 2015. Chelsea sold Salah to Roma in August 2016 when Jose wasn't even at the club.
Jose has also not said Martial is not good enough. He just wants him to be better more consistently.
No one is denying Martial's talent, the issue is he does not produce it often enough.
While all that is true, perhaps Jose needs to look a little closer to home first. Why is he not getting the best out of these talents, when other "lesser" coaches can?
