Glazers tightening the string with our profits? Not happening and the fact isn't based on evidence.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Glazers tightening the string with our profits? Not happening and the fact isn't based on evidence.
The Glazers are first and foremost business people, I don't care how rich Utd are, no club that isn't bankrolled by rich states, can afford to pay hundreds of millions each year.
Nah the club could still activate 1 year clause of his contract so technically he has 2 years with us. this is why i'm relaxed about this news. United wont sell him to our domestic rivals, if we did sell him it will be abroad and for big money.
Sorry mate, forgot about the club option since it is not a concept in Germany.
I agree. If he's not been good enough to cement a place here when we've been crying out for good wing play then he's not going to do any better at other top teams. If he's not nailing down a place, wants to leave and the offer is right then I wouldn't feel bad at all about us selling him. Good player on his day with great potential, but not the end of the world if he goes.
Very disappointed. Instead of building a team we buy Alexis and let Martial go. Poor, poor.
Well said. Martial is absolutely replaceable. If him leaving means getting a top player into the starting lineup week in week out that improves us then so long, that’s a no brainer.
He may light it up in Italy or something but I’m happy to take that risk if a proper first team upgrade is available.
I’ll always love him for his goal against Liverpool - if he goes I wish him well
It does not have to be mentioned anywhere. Look at the example of Pogba and Sanchez to see why they are struggling, experienced world class players.
Who's a 30 goal striker that we signed? I mentioned that they were both young and need development. Martial scored 17 goals in his first season in which he spent a lot of time playing wide after Rashford came into the team. Who's to say that he would not match Lukaku's output if given the chance this season to play through the middle.
I would hate to see him leave. I really think he has all the tools to be a top class player for us. He needs more consistency in his game and that will come with time. I think we'd be making a mistake in letting him leave. Hopefully just typical tabloid chat whilst nothing else is happening to get a few clicks.
If a really big offer came in and a top class Right winger became an option I would probably sell. Even better would be if we signed Sessegnon as a sort of replacement.
Oh crap. Did I miss something? Martial was sold?
Martial played wide the whole season barring 2-3 games in the beginning. Rashford made his debut against that Midjyt team in Europa league round of 16 tie which is was played in March.
We have signed a premier league proven striker in Lukaku who is on course to hit the 30 goal mark. There are so many risks involved playing young players as lead strikers that's why I can't recall any of the big clubs playing them. Both Martial and Rashford are so inexperienced. Also, there's a certain profile of a striker a manager wants. Mourinho prefers strong strikers with good hold up play. Neither of Rashford and Martial fit the bill. With any other manager, might have been possible but not with Jose. Still he has done well to give them ample opportunities.
Can you honestly say that at any point you took it as if it already happened? I can get humor but you could work a little.
Should have had a goal if Lingard could have released the ball on time, he came on as a sub after being benched for a long period. Seems as if the Caf has higher standards for him than for Rashford and Lingard was our best sub today no doubt.
I wasn't being humorous. I was just illustrating that your hyperbolic post was completely and utterly jumping the gun. People throwing dummies out of the pram based on newspaper speculation. And so what if he ultimately goes? This club has survived the loss of far greater talent than martial.
Suspect they would probably sell at that point. Some of the Glazers want to cash out already.
He was garbage when he came on anyways
You are indeed correct and yet it doesn't prevent me from not wanting to lose more talent. There could be absolutely nothing in this story, however both him and Rashford have been pushed out recently and i don't like it.
What infuriated me most about him yesterday was when he lost the ball in their half, close to the half way line - and just slumped down because he lost the ball in frustration rather than chasing down the guy who tackled him.
He has so so so much talent, that much is obvious but you can tell that he's one of those players who needs a kick up the backside to show some desire.
Mourinho has dropped him, maybe because of it and he doesn't seem to get the hint. He comes on, and just doesn't seem fussed.
Similar to Depay in the sense in which maybe he needs to leave and go to a lesser club to get the realisation that he didn't make it at a big club and needs to get focusing again. Depay seems like a new player at Lyon, irregardless of what you think of Ligue 1.
If we sell him, I won't be that disappointed.
He has so so so much talent, that much is obvious but you can tell that he's one of those players who needs a kick up the backside to show some desire.
Mourinho has dropped him, maybe because of it and he doesn't seem to get the hint. He comes on, and just doesn't seem fussed.
Similar to Depay in the sense in which maybe he needs to leave and go to a lesser club to get the realisation that he didn't make it at a big club and needs to get focusing again. Depay seems like a new player at Lyon, irregardless of what you think of Ligue 1.
If we sell him, I won't be that disappointed.
The few times he got the ball in the opposition third, he either took his man on, drew a foul or put in a decent cross. The other times he received the ball at the half way line. You can't expect any wide player to do better in that scenario. Same with Rashford.
Have been a big fan of Martial since we signed him, but for me his progress has stalled. Doesn't seem that much better now than in his first season to me. Yes I know he is still 21 and he has a few years to mature, but that lack of progress is concerning. Added to that, he doesnt seem arsed at all when he plays, and still doesnt seem to grasp the basic concept of moving, I wouldn't be too bothered if he left.
This is thread is just ridiculous, Martial got clattered not long after he came on and had little impact on the game. No idea why he's being singled out on this occasion? Sanchez, Pogba, Mata and Matic were far for culpable for the end result. Some of you guys need banning from the Martial and Smalling threads, both the pro and the anti, as you're adding very little aside a lot of bile and spite.
Our midfield is just wrong, Lukaku was so isolated and everyone seemed to want to dwell on the ball in midfield, no haste in carrying the ball forward. Jose should give some of the under 23 guys a go, at least they'd be up for it.
Our midfield is just wrong, Lukaku was so isolated and everyone seemed to want to dwell on the ball in midfield, no haste in carrying the ball forward. Jose should give some of the under 23 guys a go, at least they'd be up for it.
Sometimes a player doesn't fit the club and change of environment is the best for both Partys.
If he leaves, I wish him the best but don't sell him to any Premier league side
If he leaves, I wish him the best but don't sell him to any Premier league side
I hope Jose drops Lukaku and Mata for the midweek match and play Martial and Rashford up top as a pair. I know it won't happen but i want to see it
It's not a problem with the players, it's a problem with shape and movement and instructions. Keep Martial and Pogba at all cost, even if it means sacking Mourinho. They have given us more to cheer about than he ever did.
Would be good to see. Or a fluid front 3 of Martial, Rashford and Sanchez at least.
I like Lukaku a lot, but we have options, it makes sense to use them and rotate and not always play one way. We looked so sluggish yesterday. Hit Bournemouth with all the pace we have. Hell, you could even go wild and put Luke Shaw in at left back and just run at them.
Indeed.
The counter attack was non existent. Even when we had the numbers advantage, we would just hold up the ball in midfield and allow West Brom to recover and reshape. There was literally no sense of urgency even after we went a goal down, which was weird since that's when we like to attack.
It's a thread about Martial. All the players you mentioned and more have had stick as well.
I agree that I don't really want to lose more talent either. At the same time, if there's any truth in the rumour, it's Martial who wants out, and not Jose forcing him. If he doesn't want to stay and fight for his place again, then it's time for him to move on.
This bold point is something I've recognised in the past, except its way more obvious now when we have Sanchez who runs like a pitball if he lost the ball which is a stark comparison.
You should be disappointed in Martial for being lazy in training*, failing to do his job the way he's been asked to, and rejecting United's offer.
*or at least not as hard-working as the less talented players who get minutes ahead of him
I am but i would be more if he was a different personality and suddenly changed. It's not like we just met him and if true about the rejection, we made an offer after we signed Alexis and pushed him out of team. Players like Martial need confidence and a run of games. We can't treat different characters the same way and just give them the Shaw treatment. If we were so disappointed of him why not sell him, instead of offering new contract (again, if true).
Same thing with Rashford. I just don't get why we would sign Alexis and push both our young talents out of the team. Neither of which we want to sell ( again, if true that we offered a contract and it got rejected, which is a big if i guess).
EDIT: @dirkey He was never given a proper chance because of constant rotation with Rashford. Now, that's not that bad when talking about 2 young attacking talents. However, when you sign Alexis and play him on the left....and then offer a contract to someone for the 2nd/3rd spot...Obviously we don't know much about the situation and all this could be pointless. I'm just speculating base on the big IF that is true.
I genuinely see Martial as a Sane equal with the likes of Mbappe and Dembele in the same bracket (perhaps because of their relatively underwhelming seasons).
Truth is Martial could be managed a lot better. Just think about how his number 9 shirt was stripped off him and given to another who it was obvious wouldn't remain in the team for much longer. The feeling that there is no room to fight for a shirt as Sanchez almost always gets the nod no matter what maybe for him was the last straw that broke the camels back.
I might cry if Martial leaves us (very serious) but I would never blame him one bit.
Zlatan took his shirt. Was subbed left and right instead of Lukaku who mysteriously never been subbed. And when Martial was on some form, we bought Sanchez and pushed him our of the team, again.
Let stop kidding yourself that Jose was properly managed him.
[QUOTE="Bearded One, post: 22422678, member: 109090"]I genuinely see Martial as a Sane equal with the likes of Mbappe and Dembele in the same bracket (perhaps because of their relatively underwhelming seasons).
Truth is Martial could be managed a lot better. Just think about how his number 9 shirt was stripped off him and given to another who it was obvious wouldn't remain in the team for much longer. The feeling that there is no room to fight for a shirt as Sanchez almost always gets the nod no matter what maybe for him was the last straw that broke the camels back.
I might cry if Martial leaves us (very serious) but I would never blame him one bit.[/QUOTE]
He’s certainly not on a level with Mbappe nor Sane.
Crying as a player may leave shows you’ve no objectivity. Seen far better and more loyal players leave United.
Truth is Martial could be managed a lot better. Just think about how his number 9 shirt was stripped off him and given to another who it was obvious wouldn't remain in the team for much longer. The feeling that there is no room to fight for a shirt as Sanchez almost always gets the nod no matter what maybe for him was the last straw that broke the camels back.
I might cry if Martial leaves us (very serious) but I would never blame him one bit.[/QUOTE]
He’s certainly not on a level with Mbappe nor Sane.
Crying as a player may leave shows you’ve no objectivity. Seen far better and more loyal players leave United.
come onI seriously don’t get some of the negative comments Martial is getting. One of the brightest talents we’ve had in years is now apparently not good enough because he has some sort of attitude problem. I don’t care what your reasoning is, that is 100% on the manager. He makes us play horrid football and insists on choosing the pussiest of lineups he can come up with.
Wasn’t Martial player of the month for like 3 months in a row or something? Leave it to Mourinho to drop him at first then insist on playing him on the right wing, and finally make him 3rd choice behind Sanchez and Rashford. Lets face it, Jose’s never liked Martial. Even when he was our best player by far you never felt Martial got the same admiration he’d give to players with half the talent but fit Mourinho’s negative tactics. Anyone would sulk if put in his place and I’m frankly tired of the shit Mourinho keeps serving us. There’s a reason fans of every big club in the world would bite our hands off for Martial. Under a proper manager and some few years of development under his belt, he will eventually come good. Would much rather see Jose’s back than his.
Wasn’t Martial player of the month for like 3 months in a row or something? Leave it to Mourinho to drop him at first then insist on playing him on the right wing, and finally make him 3rd choice behind Sanchez and Rashford. Lets face it, Jose’s never liked Martial. Even when he was our best player by far you never felt Martial got the same admiration he’d give to players with half the talent but fit Mourinho’s negative tactics. Anyone would sulk if put in his place and I’m frankly tired of the shit Mourinho keeps serving us. There’s a reason fans of every big club in the world would bite our hands off for Martial. Under a proper manager and some few years of development under his belt, he will eventually come good. Would much rather see Jose’s back than his.
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This place is in a phase where opinions about players are based on their relationships with JM.
I don’t think this is true, or at least not limited to Mourinho.
The same character assassination happened to Ronaldo, Pogba, De Gea (during summer 2015). I wasn’t here when Beck or Ruud left but imagine it wasn’t any different. It’s as if the only coping mechanism for losing a good/great player for some people is smearing them with the ‘no fight/bad attitude’ or ‘he was never that good anyway’ tripes.