I completely agree with this. Martial hasn't been as consistent as either, but he's shown the same levels of talent. Let's not kid ourselves, if Martial was at City he'd be playing more and playing better. Mourinho is not the right manager for Martial, or for that matter for Pogba or Rashford
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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I completely agree with this. Martial hasn't been as consistent as either, but he's shown the same levels of talent. Let's not kid ourselves, if Martial was at City he'd be playing more and playing better. Mourinho is not the right manager for Martial, or for that matter for Pogba or Rashford
This is the same insane backing that people gave Mourino in the Salah and De Bruyne farce. At some point we have to accept that if you're a talented attack minded young player Mourinho can't help yoi. If you're a defender or defensive mid, fine. His track record with talented young players recently has been garbage and which huge money attacking signing of his has lived up to their supposed potential or looked near world class? I hope the kid moves on and becomes world class because it's best for him but in no way is it best for us. Mourinho doesn't know how to develop young attacking talent.
Oh. Reallly? It's not an issue with the manager and his man management? Mourinho has no idea how to coach young attacking players beyond tracking back. In Rashfords first season under Van Gaal he didnt look as raw as he does now neither did Martial...why do they look so headless so often now? So, we sell Martial to SAY Bayern and he becomes world class in a couple years will you back the decision Still? Van Gaal did not like lazy players. Why didn't he seem lazy then? Martial doesnt trust Mourinho and neither would I.
Can we at least stop bangning on about Salah. Literally no one cared when he left Chelsea. It wasn’t a 'farce' at all.
Oh please, do feck off with this.
Your beard's not gonna feel nice when its' wet.
No we cannot. It doesn't matter what fans and pundits thought. Many fans and pundits at one point in their development thought Rooney would be greater than Ronaldo. Recognizing and nurturing potential isn't there with Mourinho. He's the manager of Manchester United. The issue is Mourinho and his inability to evolve. Would Salah and De Bruyne be who they are under Mourinho they had stayed or if they were coached by him now? No. He has one approach. Goes to Chelsea Mata is player of the year. Pulls the same stunt he did with Martial as our reigning player of the year. When the press asked about de Bruyne and not Mata he responded the same way he did when people stopped asking about Pogba. Almost word for word. The past helps predict the future and it makes no sense for Martial to stay under Mourinho.
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He’s certainly not on a level with Mbappe nor Sane.
Crying as a player may leave shows you’ve no objectivity. Seen far better and more loyal players leave United.[/QUOTE]Yes me too, I've seen better and more loyal players leave United but I'd be more confident that all is well if such decisions are made if the track record of the gaffer in charge would justify the decision.
If objectivity is making judgements about how Martial has fared in the last couple of years, then I choose not to share that definition. When I look at Martial, I see untapped potential in loads. Let's avoid the temptation of short-termism as we are falling into that trap with Martial's situation.
City have the best attack in the country but wanted to add Mahrez, are they crazy? Yes we need a right winger but does he have to come at the expense of Martial? Aren't there other players like Mata (with due respect) that can make way?
My view about Mbappe and Sane vis-a-vis Martial stands. Sane for example reminds me of young Ronaldo which is a scary thought but his raw talent is mixed with a lot of inconsistency and periods of 'ghosting' away in games but guess what, he's getting the much needed experience, motivation, encouragement and training to get better. Sane for me is not better than Martial. I think Mbappe is better than both and is being mismanaged right now but they are in about similar levels. What Sane has in spades is devillish pace while Martial is the more calm and matured thinking of the two.
If all you're looking at is the last 2 seasons, then you'd be making a grave mistake of course in my humble opinion. In this post-Neymar era where bright attacking talents go for hundreds of million bucks, allowing Martial leave reeks of short-termism. And that's considering that we have so many needs in other positions.
#letmartialstay
I might do that but I'd rather we focus on the issues around Martial leaving.
You need to have a look at my beards laden with fluid, it feels like gel.
Nah, I think you crying about it is a much more worrying issue.
Martial has been more or less labelled by all of his coaches so far in his career, they see the potential but they see that he doesn't give his best all the time. That many people mentioning the same thing in football, it's very suspicious at least. Mourinho isn't the first one to have noticed this.
Tell you what, as sore as some might be to even the idea of it, Giggs as the gaffer would probably have made a considerable difference in his level of progression, I'd go as far as to say that we'd see a much better player than what we have at the moment.
According to Fabrizio Romano Bayern Munich have "concrete interest" in Martial. It's telling that one of the biggest and best teams in Europe are interested in him when our own manager seemingly can't find room for him.
Martial may have some serious flaws regarding his work rate, concentration and consistency but letting him go because of Sanchez is not justified in my very honest and humble opinion. Sanchez has peaked and doesnt really contribute more than Martial. The latter is 3-4 years away form his peak and was contributing a goal/assist every 90 min prior to Sanchez coming and taking his place on the left.
If you think all it takes for Martial to become world class is simply game time and not tracking back.
You need your teammates to do the donkey work for you, and I'm not talking about defending / tracking back. You'd need them to make off the ball movement, knows where to pass, where to receive pass, the only time where you can literally change the game yourself is if you dribble past your markers and score your own, other than that you need your teammates either direct or indirectly.
There's only so much a coach can teach you, having an attacking approach helps sure, but it takes more than simply that.
Has anyone mentioned he'd look great at City?
He doesn’t relentlessly hound the ball when he loses it - down to his own lax technical ability - whilst breaking all positional discipline, so we’ll be better off without him.
Would u rather pocket 50-60M or let his contract run out?
Agreed. If Martial leaves he'll end up at a better side than us.
I agree, & never wanted to sign Sanchez, who has probably peaked & not played well for Arsenal all season before coming here. Now we are lumbered for years with a declining player on ridiculous wages no club will want to pay, which at the same time is effecting are younger players such a Martial & Rashford. I hope the rumour that he has to play if fit in his contract is not true, otherwise we are in trouble.
If we could flip that money into two excellent attacking prospects around the same age (and one right sided player) and Martial wants to leave then snapped off, meet hand.
Except 50-60m is pretty much the asking price for any excellent prospect nowadays, let alone 2.
Not a big fan of him, but his sale would be very risky
If we're shopping in the Depay and Martial bin, maybe. I think we could get a couple of electric under the radar players for 50m if we look in the right spots. We need to be getting back to picking up the Martial's of the worlds as they leave for 10m before we pay crazy amounts of money and just expect them to be brilliant when they've never done anything of real note at a large club and burn a hole in the pocket with the notion of 'youthful promise'.
But I guess the market has changed and we don't live in the Fergie fantasy bubble of transfer management. Those were the days, eh.
Since when did we actually get great prospects for a cheap price? Ronaldo was bought for a heck of a lot of money for a teenager at the time and Rooney was 4m short of the then British transfer record. The closest you can argue is probably Chicharito but I doubt he’s the shining example you have in mind.
Big talents cost big bucks, always have, always will, especially for a club the size and finance of Utd. That’s why losing Martial is a very risky move, because despite the narrative being bandied about, his number this season is still among the most productive we’ve received from a wide player since the turn of the decade.
How did he not recognise anything in Salah if he bought him to Chelsea? Unless I have it wrong and it was another manager that bought him?
Also, Willian was playing on the right at the time (another Jose signing). Willian was, and still is one of Chelsea's best players. Salah wasn’t going to play much, especially considering he had not got the the experience he did in Italy for 2 years before moving to Liverpool.
Probably, he look great sitting on the bench next to Bernardo and Sergio aguero. Sane, Jesus and sterling are levels above him.
If he had their work ethic, he'd be a level above them. Ball really is in his court on how good he can become, but he's got to really want it and put in the hard graft.
These really are funny funny posts. I'm saving these for when Martial goes somewhere else and becomes a world beater. Some of you lot just don't understand football ability. It's not always about being a fecking work horse.
I don’t think Sane, Sterling and Jesus lack footballing ability.
According to SAF Ravel Morrison had football ability that put everyone else he'd seen to shame.
According to Jose Mario Ballotelli had amazing football ability.
Where are they both now? Footballing ability does not equate to being a successful footballer.
Jose also thought De Bruyne and Salah aren't good enough.
Losing Martial would be stupid as feck. But that's just United now, I'm sort of resigned.
I'm sure we'll replace him with Perisic or Willian or someone "reliable" like those.
What if he doesn't become world class, will you delete it?
With talent you need a work rate too.
Wow. So what if he would have? Probably to the detriment of results and league position too. You don't change the entire structure for one player. If he was good enough for that, he'd already look something close to a world beater.
Dogshit in the mouth of Jose/Woody if they sanction selling Martial!
Sad days when we replace a 22 year old mega talent with someone around 30 with less talent. Still hoping it won't really come to that.
Barca & Juventus are also interested. Thats what worries me as well. If those super clubs are interest in him then what does that say about Jose?
This is the interesting misinterpretation of the KDB and Salah situation at Chelsea. Jose let De Bruyne and Salah go yes but not because he thought they weren't good, they just weren't good enough to replace players already in the team.
KDB left because he demanded more playing time, time that Jose couldn't give him.
Jose never sold Salah, he let Salah go on loan (first to Fiorentina and then Roma and again why wouldn't he, Chelsea had won the league without Salah so there wasn't a place in the team, so a loan move to get him game time and experience made sense). Jose was sacked at Chelsea in December 2015. Chelsea sold Salah to Roma in August 2016 when Jose wasn't even at the club.
Jose has also not said Martial is not good enough. He just wants him to be better more consistently.
No one is denying Martial's talent, the issue is he does not produce it often enough.
Yeah but you know, running around a lot matters more or something
Good post.