They've been injured for a large part of the season and Jesus was out for 2 months with injury.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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I’m guessing you mean 2000 minutes by April? That would be impossible in just one month.
But that's not enough, all the players you mention don't have enough game time and most of them have been out because of pretty important injuries. I mean come on, at least check the injuries.
The minutes aren't really that good at all. In the PL he has played 1346 minutes. That averages to about 15 full games.
Going off of WhoScored, he has only completed 90 minutes consecutively once this season...(!?) Burnley and Spurs - and that actually had an FA Cup tie sandwiched between. That doesn't seem right... Any of the data-savvy people have a better idea? cc:
@Damien
Going off of WhoScored, he has only completed 90 minutes consecutively once this season...(!?) Burnley and Spurs - and that actually had an FA Cup tie sandwiched between. That doesn't seem right... Any of the data-savvy people have a better idea? cc:
@Damien
Agreed, think people are being disingenuous when they claim its about minutes. Let's face it, its about him playing every game and unless you're Ronaldo no youngster has the right to be demanding as such
Yeah, it isn't right. He was subbed off against Burnley (albeit in the 90th minute)
Does anyone have the stats when he starts?
Minutes per goal/assist for when he starts games. Would be interesting to see if my idea that he’s been miles better coming off the bench is pure fabrication or if there’s some truth in it.
Minutes per goal/assist for when he starts games. Would be interesting to see if my idea that he’s been miles better coming off the bench is pure fabrication or if there’s some truth in it.
Are you have a laugh with Mata? How productive has he been this season.
Sanchez this season seriously?
As for Lukaku has has been good. However the guy went 20 games scoring 4 and hardly got subbed. Are you going to tell me that Martial would be afforded such treatment and shown such faith.
EDIT: I would go as far as saying Mata was clearly the player who should have been replaced in Jan.
A players contribution to the game goes beyond goals and assists alone.
I wasn’t talking about productive but about how happy Martial is to be on the peripherals, and you claimed ALL of our attackers are.
I call bullshit, and without looking am certain Mata is much much more involved in games than Martial and the stats will prove that.
Mata is on the peripherals of many games this season, granted he has been better at being involved lately. Infact our whole attack has been on the peripheral of plenty of games this season.
Yeah I thought that’s what we were talking about too, but apparently being complete out of a game and coming alive for a few minutes is better than being like say Mata, who is constantly on the ball, looking to get involved.
I agree, but Mata is clearly over the past 2 seasons hasn't been contributing to the level required of a senior attacker in the side IMO
It’s nonsense and you must know it, Mata is always getting on the ball.
But he was LVGs only decent signing.
And doing nothing with it in plenty of games.
bullshit
Show some respect to our Romero and Rojo. I agree with you though, the transfer were awful and we are still paying their price.
120 minutes per goal or assist
Minutes when starting: 1673
Games completed: 6
Goals: 7
Assists: 7
Mins per goal: 239
Mins per goal or assist: 120
For a side trying to win the title? I disagree
Then all those players will have to go to lower clubs because they won't get it at the top clubs. Nor will they be demanding to start every game like the Martial fans here.But that's not enough, all the players you mention don't have enough game time and most of them have been out because of pretty important injuries. I mean come on, at least check the injuries.
I'm secretly posting I work, I can't be doing in depth research
Transfermarkt has Martial as missing 5 games from injury anyway and two games on the bench after returning so not like he has been fully fit the whole time either.
That’s not completely fair, Mata plays more than Martial despite not being a Mourinho type player because he helps the team, gets us playing, gets the ball moving.
All the talk of how Martial should fight for his spot is nonsense IMO, I think he's done that this season. The signing of Sanchez, I was very much inclined to believe it would have negative repercussion on Martial. To come back from his terrible second season, coming off the bench and scoring/assisting, claiming he wanted to be a starter but impacting off the bench until Rashford started to lose form and taking the spot from him. Scoring in important games, he's earned this team some points. As far as his inconsistencies or games where he's had little impact, it was very rare that he was the lone culprit in that regard and was more of a reflection of the team as a whole.
Now, fair enough, Sanchez is a much better player than Martial, who could play both on the left or the right but has made his name in the Premier League where Martial was playing. So instead of trying to fit two players on the same team, Mourinho went with Sanchez at the detriment of both Martial and Rashford. Now those are the possible repercussions in losing Martial. It was probably the first thought I had about the Sanchez transfer, that it would relegate Martial to the bench and many thought that was ridiculous and that clearly Mou would shift Sanchez to the right as this was a position of need for the team. Hopefully for the club, Sanchez continues to grow at the club and has at least a couple of seasons playing at his level but his form will dip and we will see where Martial is at that point. I don't think it's obvious he will be either a success or failure, but so far his stats suggest he is an incredibly good player which the eye test doesn't always reflect.
Now, fair enough, Sanchez is a much better player than Martial, who could play both on the left or the right but has made his name in the Premier League where Martial was playing. So instead of trying to fit two players on the same team, Mourinho went with Sanchez at the detriment of both Martial and Rashford. Now those are the possible repercussions in losing Martial. It was probably the first thought I had about the Sanchez transfer, that it would relegate Martial to the bench and many thought that was ridiculous and that clearly Mou would shift Sanchez to the right as this was a position of need for the team. Hopefully for the club, Sanchez continues to grow at the club and has at least a couple of seasons playing at his level but his form will dip and we will see where Martial is at that point. I don't think it's obvious he will be either a success or failure, but so far his stats suggest he is an incredibly good player which the eye test doesn't always reflect.
I'll be damned!
Decent. And the flip side, when coming off the bench?
Or often choking our left attack by going into the space in front of Martial or Sanchez. Makes very little sense why he overloads this area when Martial Rashford and Sanchez’s strengths are one on one. Makes me demented every game.
Mata has great quality in and around the box but he kills our right side with his constant cutting back killing our momentum stone dead.
He is a good squad player but imagine a player like Mahrez replaying him on the right our attack would be instantly upgraded by quite a bit.
Wake up and smell the coffee
Agreed.
I also think Martial and Rashford, if they are as talented as we hope, should also be able to do a cracking job there.
OGS did a great job there ffs.
You need different types, you need players who keep the ball moving and you need players who are direct also. Mata isn't doing enough IMO I'm not saying he hasn't been good, but he is not playing at a high level like a David Silva he is replaceable. Anyway this isn't the Mata thread. Its no surprise he isn't able to hold down a regular spot in the side most of the time.
Pretty much.
I agree with all of this.
As squad players go he's brilliant. He's been performing very well virtually every time he's come on the pitch this season
Romero I agree but Rojo has honked the place out since signing. Even in that dozen or do games he got great praise he was very fortunate not to be sent off (more than once) and efficient in defending not brilliant.
I said if there was anyone who should have been replaced in terms of the side in attack in Jan it was him, we didn't sign him as our record signing to be a squad player.
EDIT: And btw I have no issue with Mata, I have an issue with the clear problem of our RW not being addressed and LW being disrupted when it didn't need to be.
Mourinho should continue to make selection decisions on the basis of performance in training and matches and whatever other football-related criteria he deems relevant. He should not cave to threats from players or pressure from agents who think they have the club over a barrel.
The RMC piece says he wants to leave this summer and has refused a 5 year deal offered to him by the club.
I'm getting 13 goals and assists from Whoscored, not 14. Would you mind giving a link to where you got those?
So does that mean he has never completed 90 mins two games running this season? Or am I horribly off the mark?
I agree we definitely need RW infact we need to completely upgrade our right side defense and midfield included, I just don't have same confidence as you seem to have in Rashford and If Martial forces the move then we don't have much choice as you mentioned I just hope can get a good price if that's the case.
One more thing If you believe Rashford has been playing out of position then same can be applied to Martial as well they both have been primarily utilised on left but mostly been asked to play as traditional winger rather than wide forwards which would suit them better.
Yep agree no problem with Mata in squad as his quality is brilliant but his skills make him awful to watch on the right attack in comparison to a Sterling or Mahrez or Sane or Mane type player who can all take a man on. My preference for the last few seasons was O Dembele for the right but that ship has sailed.
But surely a player of that ilk is a must for the right for next season. If not we will still be served up the same mechanical like performances regardless our midfield or full backs or centre backs that are mostly spoken about as the big problem.
Chucked in Sane just to show his starting stats aren't as awful as is being made out by some. Most of Martial's stats off the bench were in the first few games.
You're right.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/antho...aten/spieler/182877/saison/2017/plus/1#gesamt