Paul Hirst writes on the times more or less what the Mail wrote too
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Paul Hirst writes on the times more or less what the Mail wrote too
He is 22 years old. Why do people all of a sudden expect 20-23 year olds to play with the effectiveness of players entering their prime?
could just be rumours but I've read Barca are far from impressed with his off-pitch lifestyle / diet etc. Talented but don't see him and Mourinho getting on if he has issues with Martial
Let's assume Rashford best position is through the middle then he should be understudy to Lukaku and Martial should be developed to takeover from Sanchez , we may be unbalanced in attack but we aren't exactly blessed with numbers either my point is rather than forcing both Rashford and Martial to compete with Sanchez for game time one should be given fair crack to deputise for Lukaku and even replace him if their form warrants it.
Let this be the case and not that he's decided to leave.
Because of Messi and Ronaldo. It's changed how people see young players and its stupid. People expect too much too soon, if you're not the finished article in your very early 20s you're never going to reach your potential, it's utterly daft.
Can I have some of what you are smoking?
Ronaldo, Messi,Neymar and hazard to some extent have ruined people's ability to judge young players
I don’t think that’s the case at all, seems most people in here that are ”ok” with the news accept that Martial is a non complete project who needs to get his head down and work hard to fulfill his potential.
It’s the flip side that are losing their shit and claiming Mourinho is ruining him by playing him right wing (Nani, Ronaldo, Fletcher, hell even Park and Hargreaves did it with no fuss) or making him work harder on his game to be part of the starting eleven, that’s the issue here.
Well after 2 seasons and now possibly missing a world cup. What choice does he have? He is doing what is best for himself. If he has to leave then he should. If Jose doesnt want to make him stay thats not his problem
Yeah it says a lot where we have 2 talented players who can both play on the left or through the middle but for what ever reason we never have both on at once and neither are given a fair go through the middle. Lukaku and Zlatan's undroppable status the last 2 seasons means chances as a 9 are hard to come by for the others which is a shame because I think Rashford in particularly would flourish at the striker spot. Not that Lukaku shouldn't be our starting striker but he's rarely rotated, rested, and never subbed off so any chances of them playing centrally are slim to none. And now with Sanchez here that's one less spot for them to feature in regularly which is disappointing.
Work harder, play better in whatever position ypu are played in? With his talent he should be giving Mourinho no choice but to start him or Deschamps no choice but to take him.
Yet He trusts Scott McTominay, who's younger than Martial.
We will only be able to gauge that next season. This year we had carricks heart problem whilst fellaini and Herrera have had a few nigles
For a decision to be made on that wouldn't he have to be played a few games in a row in said formation before deciding to scrap the project?
Top goals + assist per min in the squad by Jan just won POTM. He gave Jose no choice from that, which shows there is no such thing as no choice.
The history re-writing in here is immense. The guy accepted starting the season on the bench behind a clearly inferior player, worked hard, and forced his way into the team by mid year.
The thing is it is the two way street the player has to show faith in the club (which he did last summer and beggining of the season) and the club has to show faith in the player. Which is hasnt on multiple occasions. No9, Ibra, Lukaku, Sanchez and even Rashford
We dont. Just as he shouldn't expect to be the main man of a manchester united first team that consists of sanchez and a homegrown rashford, who by all means isn't such a downgrade.
All he has under his belt is a few months on form, definitely not earnt the right to make clubs bows to his demand.
I wish we can sort something out and he remains with us, but if he indeed going public about wanting to move on then he should just do so. I bet he won't set the world alight after moving on, many really overestimated his ability. Put it this way, how many top teams in europe would make him a starter week in week out? In our league I'd hazard a guess chelsea and arsenal at a stretch.
He has played over 2000 minutes this season. Stop acting like he never gets on the pitch.
We will find out next season how much he trusts himYet He trusts Scott McTominay, who's younger than Martial.
No one is. Peoole actling like he hasnt been productive compared to the rest of the squad is the issue
I just think it’s a poor excuse either way, with his talent he should be able to perform anywhere. As I say, Ronaldo, Nani, Rooney, Fletcher, Hargreaves and even Solksjaer have all done it and performed well.
Yet with Martial there’s always an excuse, the lad was tumescent last season through no fault of Mourinho’s, he was like that from the off and people were excusing him because ”he got his number taken off him” or ”he’s playing in the wrong position”, even “he cheated on his missus” ffs .
This season he’s been miles better yet still, all too often he is happy on the peripheral of a game. He shouldn’t be, yet he is.
All of our attackers are.
We're talking at cross-purposes. I was responding to the idea that Martial might be threatening to leave in order to secure more playing time. That is almost certainly going to be unsuccessful as a strategy with Mourinho. In all probability, it will mean he's played his last game for the club.
Yeah but that stats are clearly skewed because right now, bizarre as it is, he’s better coming from the bench.
Would be happy to be proven wrong with subs v starts stats.
Comparison of Martial to five players seen as some of the top wingers in the league as well as two names people want us to sign. His stats hold up pretty well, though bar Salah he's had by far the least game time out of them all in the season they turned 22.
You see that was my worry when we bought him, 2000 minutes in April isn't a lot and it's not enough for a productive 22 years old player. I don't blame Mourinho but I equally can't blame Martial if he thinks that he should play more even if it's not at United.
Threatning. Or seeming clarification. He has a right to look after his own career.
Sanchez, Mata and Lukaku absolutely are not.
I don't see many people saying he isn't productive. I see many claiming he is riding the bench all season.
Not really, we aren't at a point where we're pigeonholed into selling him or letting him run his contract down so why would I pick from those options?
Everyone has the right to look after their career however they see fit. That is not being disputed.
Martial appears to have deiced he wants to leave. We can either sell him, or keep him against his will. The former makes more sense.
Comparison of Martial to five players seen as some of the top wingers in the league as well as two names people want us to sign. His stats hold up pretty well, though bar Salah he's had by far the least game time out of them all in the season they turned 22.
How's Morata doing?
Look I am not thrilled with Martial leaving, quite the contrary. However, if he wants to leave then there's little we can do.
My argument is that with his departure we will have the opportunity to look at the team again and bring what we need. We've got too many players playing in positions that doesn't come natural for them to play in. For example I think Rashford would be great on the left. Pogba is best suited as the most attacking midfielder in a 3 men CM and we desperately need a top quality RW.
My biggest concern is that there's hardly alot of top quality natural RW around. Dembele and Mbappe has already moved to top sides, Mahrez is good but he lacks pace and while there's some good talent coming through at other clubs they are hardly the finished products just yet.
If the RMC report is to be believed, that's precisely the position we are in.
Ah yea trust, like having a good game vs Liverpool and then in one of most important games in CL, he got benched to open a spot for fresh out of injury Fellaini
Fecking gutted tbh.
I'm desperate for him to stay but I can't make a reasonable case for him to.
I'm desperate for him to stay but I can't make a reasonable case for him to.
Yes the players signed by LVG were abysmal value looking back but that doesn’t hide the fact Fergie left an over the hill Rio Evra Rio Vidic Carrick Rooney and RVP. The squad should have had a better age profile but then you could argue that was not up to Fergie but for United going forward it’s been a big mistake imo and we have suffered.
If he wants more minutes, he'll have to go to a club that's below us at the moment not above us. He will not get more minutes in any top team, I'm pretty sure.also some United fans in this thread are being precious as hell. "if he wants to go he's a pussy", "can't handle the pressure and doesn't have the fight"like players are supposed to ignore other options just to stay and fight at a manchester united that's not won a league title in 5 years and gets embarrassed at the biggest european stage. we are not the draw we were. we certainly have our appeals but there are plenty of other clubs of similar stature and if those are offering more minutes/a regular place then he'd be smart to consider it. hell, pogba left and that turned out brilliantly for him.
RMC say he wants more game time, there is a very obvious solution to this that you're missing.
It is a good amount. If he wants even more then that is his decision and he is free to pursue it. Its the non-sense by some acting like he never gets to play at all when he has gotten a good amount of time. Its like when last year he was considered frozen out and never played and Lingard was a starter despite Martial playing more than Lingard.
Gabriel Jesus has similar amount of playing time. Bernardo Silva and Asensio have a bit more. Ousmane Dembele has a lot less. Coman has a little less. Tolisso has similar. Thiago has much less. Kovacic much less.
At a top club 2000-2500 minutes is a good amount of game time for a younger player.
I agree with what you are saying, not sure how this is in anyway related to Martial as he isn't a dud like other LVG signings.