Can live with that. Issue comes down to stable game-time anyway so the position isn't so much a must. I too see Martial as a striker first and foremost, but I'm under no delusion that Mourinho will drop Lukaku, and Lukaku had proven himself worthy of that trust.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Seems like this is becoming the norm...players turning on Mourinho if reports are to be beleived....Martial, Rahshford and Pogba.
Martial's good but we've always known that one day it would be one or the other of him and Rashford leaving. They're almost identical players. I'd rather keep the local lad who came through our youth set-up out of the two of them. Hopefully we can use him as leverage to sign a top class right sided attacking midfielder as a mata upgrade.
He's a terrific player but as soon as Rashford came through he ceased to be essential really. Their qualities are virtually identical.
As long as we don't lose Rashford, fine. I don't really believe the Rashford reports but if they really happened I'd be massively disappointed.
Selling either Rashford or Martial is a sackable offence IMO.
I can see the narrative already.
Martial did not make significant progress here because Jose seldom starts him and opts for a 30-year-old Sanchez. Jose's fault.
If Martial leaves and smashes it at some other club, Jose is doing a KDB/Salah all over again. Jose's fault.
If Martial leaves and his career goes downwards from here, it's because Jose ruined him during his time here. Jose's fault.
Poor Jose can't catch a break.
Martial did not make significant progress here because Jose seldom starts him and opts for a 30-year-old Sanchez. Jose's fault.
If Martial leaves and smashes it at some other club, Jose is doing a KDB/Salah all over again. Jose's fault.
If Martial leaves and his career goes downwards from here, it's because Jose ruined him during his time here. Jose's fault.
Poor Jose can't catch a break.
It's not the club's decision. If a player wants to leave, they'll be allowed to leave. SAF wasn't sacked when we let Ronaldo go and he was a mile ahead of Martial and Rashford at their current level.
Martial is getting game time, but if he wants to go down a level and be a starter, all power to him, but he isn't better than Sanchez. Also considering probably our best player in Pogba thrives in a 3, it's a shame that Lingard and Sanchez are better in that role behind the striker than Martial is.
Like I said, I'd be gutted to see him leave because he's supremely talented, but I'm sure we'd replace him with an equal or even better talent, one who hopefully would suit the diamond or 433 we seem to be opting for going forward.
That's not easy at all. It's easy for fans to think that because fans don't have the drive and determination to become professional footballers (some have the talent). Professional footballers absolutely hate not playing. Just look at the amount of players we've gotten rid off in the past few years. You think they're earning as much with their clubs as they were with United? If Martial is unhappy it's because he feels that he should be playing every game when he thinks that he should. He's different from Rashford and Lingard because he's not homegrown so he's not content with being the player with the 8th most minutes. He wants to play always. I imagine the WC coming up also has something to do with it as he has the ambition to be a starter for France and he won't do that with the competition in that squad if he's not playing regularly.
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'Another mediocre coach' but we dont have that at the moment. We have a world class one and a proven winner.
'Generational talent' but Martial hasnt proved thathe is one. Yeah hes a good player with good dribbling skills but a tad overrated in here and he hasnt demonstrated to have the mentality to be a winner in the game. So youre saying your rather keep players like Martial who can get you out of your seat once every three weeks nd sign a manager like Sam allardyce or something, and thats your secret sauce to get back at the top?
Theres so much wrong with your post.
Your post is just as biased and subjective as mine. At least i don't pretend otherwise. With the money Mourinho has spent and the talent & resources at his disposal, his performance has been bang on mediocre for our club. No major trophies will be won in two years (counting FA cup), no progress in a consistent style of successful attacking football, and no development of our most talented players (heck all our young talented players like Martial, Rashford, Shaw, and Pogba) are linked to exits. Mourinho has a history of this, i'm not just making it up. Counting attacking player alone there is Salah, KDB, Lukaku, Robben.
With the exception of Mbappe & Dembele you'd be hard pressed to find a young player with the lethal combination of attacking skills Martial possess. He has the vision to pass, technique to cross, make runs, dribble past multiple players, play one touch football, and composure/technique to be a lethal finisher. You know how ridiculous that is to have in a 22 yr old? Obviously he lacks consistently and a killer mentality, but who would when you get jerked in an out of the team regardless of how you play. Don't inaccurately judge a player just because our manager struggles to create a system where his players can create chances consistently. Even Messi would be a shell of himself playing for Mourinho. Take Sanchez who's a top 2 forward in the EPL and yet since his move he struggles to perform consistently. The difference is Mourinho shackles his teams. For example compare first half Sanchez against City and second half Sanchez. Look at the heat maps, our wingers basically play in such deep positions that they aren't in the best spots to leverage their skills.
Is it really the best use of Pogba's or Sanchez's talents to perform high risk dribbles just to create space in our own half for a pass? Most successful teams in Europe have top attackers who contribute to both ends of the pitch, but do o by pressing higher up the pitch and score of counters or fluid quick build up plays. They are in positions where the defense is on the back foot, where one or two dribbles/tricks creates a direct goal scoring chance. Our top players are forced to run the whole length of the pitch, or create in situations with the defense set in their positions and often with our wide players facing double teams. Which is why we are a long ball team against decent opposition or away games (where we drop most of our points by not breaking down opponents).
Identical players don't make me laugh. It's like comparing Giggs to Ronaldo and saying they're the same. Push comes to shove i know which one i'm keeping.
Both are young and very talented, but one player's talent, Martial, is on a different level and his game is more well rounded. Please don't overrate players just cause they are local lads. I'm not French or English, just an impartial observer. Love seeing local lads who bleed red, but at the end of the day its putting the best players on the pitch to win trophies. If their talent was equal obviously i'd pick the local player for the intangibles.
Ox with a year left on his contract was sold for 40 Million.
If we sell him for anything close to 40 million then we deserve all the shit we get.
If we sell him and buy a solid left footed right winger, I would be fine from the perspective of balance in the team. Sanchez and Rashford are together good enough cover for the left side of our attack.
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Exactly and he should put himself first in such a scenario. Whether anyone dislikes Martial or not - one thing is for sure, he has the tools to be a great player if everything falls in place for him and the first thing he needs is guaranteed game time. He's not going to get that getting minutes here and there, with a manager who doesn't really have his back (proven by the fact that even when he was in great form during January - bought a replacement in his position and also had another big signing in his other possible position at 9). Therefore he is well within his rights to put himself first and I don't get how that makes him a pussy.
Was KDB a pussy for leaving Chelsea? Martial wants to be a great player and as long as he doesn't take an easy option like an Arsenal.. then he should get some respect for wanting to develop his career. Guys like Robben, Ronaldo at 22 would not have wanted to languish on the bench during those key years of development. Martial is producing similar numbers to a Sane .. why should he accept being a bench player and compromise his development whilst someone like Sane is first team left winger at a title winning club?
80M would get you pogba, Alexis sanchez joins us for mkhitaryan (which let's asume he's 30m)
Nobody would pay 80M for a sulking 21 years old who hasn't even made it yet. Potentials are just potentials until they're materialized.
The 9 shirt meant a lot to him and the same thing would have happened with most young footballers who have been given a big shirt only for it to be taken away .. it was immature yes but can easily see a young Ronaldo also having a similar strop if shirt number was taken away. Irrational? Yes but he was a kid - it happens.
Not sure how he has been leaking info all season? There has been just as many stories concerning Rashford this season who if anything hasn't deserved as much game time as he hasn't been on the same level as Martial for the most part.
If he goes to Arsenal then it would show he lacks ambition as they're a club going nowhere fast. It shows he doesn't have the mentality of a winner.
If he goes to a Juve for example, then that is a club which is higher up the European ladder than us at this moment in time and if he finds a manager who believes in him and feels that his development will be made a priority then yes, it is a bold move to have the confidence to start afresh and try to realise his talent. If he's so lazy as is so often claimed by elements of the Caf, why not just enjoy being a bit part player at a big club and keep picking up the pay cheques? He's not that type of player - he wants to play football, simple as that and he wants to become a great player.
For his age, he had a remarkable debut season - compare it to the other modern day great wide players and he was ahead of the development curve. Last season he was poor no doubt but this season, he's for the most part been matching up to someone like Sane who is considered the premier left wing talent in the league and one of the best wingers in the world and Martial has almost equalled his stats in a less optimal set up (lack of overlapping left footed left wing back) and with 1000 less playing minutes. So yes he should have confidence in his ability, as the numbers indicate he is a potentially top class talent. To believe anything less and fall into the trap he's a merely average player would be doing himself a disservice. He should be aiming to better guys like Sane and Mane and I am sure he thinks he can be better than either if given the right platform .. whether he gets there? No one can guarantee that but he sure as hell isnt going to develop into a better player than them if a) he gets benched or pushed into unsuitable positions even when he's bang in form b) has two other players to compete with in his position and one being a brand new big signing the manager has brought in and will play regardless of any dips in form.
To state you think Sanchez should be played ahead of him because he's a more established player and therefore Jose is right to persist with him is a fair opinion but to argue Martial should just accept being a bench player at age of 22 for the next few years when his stats indicate he's on the level of some of the best left wing talents in Europe is unfair.
nonsense
also some United fans in this thread are being precious as hell. "if he wants to go he's a pussy", "can't handle the pressure and doesn't have the fight" 
like players are supposed to ignore other options just to stay and fight at a manchester united that's not won a league title in 5 years and gets embarrassed at the biggest european stage. we are not the draw we were. we certainly have our appeals but there are plenty of other clubs of similar stature and if those are offering more minutes/a regular place then he'd be smart to consider it. hell, pogba left and that turned out brilliantly for him.
like players are supposed to ignore other options just to stay and fight at a manchester united that's not won a league title in 5 years and gets embarrassed at the biggest european stage. we are not the draw we were. we certainly have our appeals but there are plenty of other clubs of similar stature and if those are offering more minutes/a regular place then he'd be smart to consider it. hell, pogba left and that turned out brilliantly for him.We got Sanchez for Mkhitaryan as Sanchez had 6 months left on the deal.
He isn't sulking 21 year old, he is young player who has contributed over 20 goals + assists this seasons in limited game time.
Jose fans are as annoying as Pep fans now a days. Any player who is not played or questioned by Jose, fans just can't stop writing off the player for stupid reasons.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/marcus-rashford-may-not-manchester-12333951
Fwiw (which isn't much at all) it's reported neither Rashford or Martial are happy with a sub role. Sanchez isn't just competition, he's a first teamer nailed on to start every game regardless of form or the contribution of Martial/Rashford. The residual minutes left for them to vie for can't satisfy either talk less of both.
Fwiw (which isn't much at all) it's reported neither Rashford or Martial are happy with a sub role. Sanchez isn't just competition, he's a first teamer nailed on to start every game regardless of form or the contribution of Martial/Rashford. The residual minutes left for them to vie for can't satisfy either talk less of both.
No one has said that here.
Exactly. Sanchez absolutely hates being subbed off or not starting. You only have to look at his Arsenal tenure, there have been countless number of times that he has thrown an hissy fit when subbed off for his own good.
Its probably what they will say though.
No they won't ..you are just exaggerating to make a silly point.
Or if Martial plays well then credit to Jose for improving player.
If Martial plays bad then player is sulking, he isn't that good. So Jose was correct to drop him.
In any case, Jose won't be blamed. Tbh that's exactly what's happening with Manutd team.
I'll be gutted if he goes, but if a manager doesn't fully trust a player what can you do.
Saying that, I don't actually think Mourinho will be keen on letting him leave though. He's got a massive amount of support from United fans and selling him will cause people to question Mourinhos workings.
I've always felt it would come down to Martial or Rashford though, don't see a side where both fit in together and with Rashford being from Manchester it was always clear who would win out, unless a massive difference in quality could be found in Martials favour.
Be sad to see him leave that's for sure, but it's not like his game doesn't have issues, that so far, have not looked like being ironed out under Mourinho.
You'd also expect us to have a buy back option in any sale we sanction.
Saying that, I don't actually think Mourinho will be keen on letting him leave though. He's got a massive amount of support from United fans and selling him will cause people to question Mourinhos workings.
I've always felt it would come down to Martial or Rashford though, don't see a side where both fit in together and with Rashford being from Manchester it was always clear who would win out, unless a massive difference in quality could be found in Martials favour.
Be sad to see him leave that's for sure, but it's not like his game doesn't have issues, that so far, have not looked like being ironed out under Mourinho.
You'd also expect us to have a buy back option in any sale we sanction.
Didn't look happy coming off against City either did he? I hate when players get the undroppable status like Rooney under Van Gaal.
Mourinho doesn't trust Martial or Rashford. He tried to replace them with Perisic this summer and has finally replaced them with Sanchez. Martial is gone this summer and Rashford will be sold next summer. This is just who Jose is, can't work with younger players, can't think long term.
We will get our money back and a bit more.
Top players don't want to sit on The bench in big games.
Top players don't want to sit on The bench in big games.
Yet He trusts Scott McTominay, who's younger than Martial.
Straight swap with Serge Gnabry?
Think we have seen what these players were all about since SAF retired. Glad Jose is going through all the deadwood bit by bit. In all honesty SAF should have done more to hand over a better younger squad.
Good player with great potential, but having said that we’ve let better players go in the past. I won’t be too sad to see Martial leave to be honest, if he does decide to go that is, because i feel that we can then add a proper right sided attacker to the mix without overpopulating our attacking options.
Had this been Rashford, I’d be devastated.
Had this been Rashford, I’d be devastated.
People will if it happens.
The same Mc Tominay who despite playing well was benched for Fellaini. Now that Herrera is back he will get minimal game time.Yet He trusts Scott McTominay, who's younger than Martial.
When we get a midfielder this summer, bye bye Mc Tominay. Next.
I hope he doesn't leave.
Players who are questioned by Jose were signed after SAF retired. Martial is very talented player and we are doing a big mistake if we let him go. Jose should find a solution for this Sanchez, Rashford, Martial issue.
The thing is, if this is true, he wants to leave Manchester United. A place that is genuinely a privilege to play for. A place with spots for grabs and young players actually coming through in front of our eyes. Somewhere you can improve in different positions, with the odd world class talent to learn more from. The reason he leaves won't be because of Jose, it'll be because he has no balls.
Swap him for Umtiti if neither player's situation changes?
I know swaps rarely happen, but I think Barca would be interested.
I know swaps rarely happen, but I think Barca would be interested.