Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
It was right after he launched his 'AM9' thing online. Y'know, the crap brand stuff a lot of footballers have. Made him look like a joke.
If he was told ahead of seeing Zlatan signing for us in the kit on twitter or whatever I doubt there'd have been as much of an issue.
Yep. They were the first to say Di Maria was off to PSG and were the first to link him here. They also called that the contract talks stalled from December to recently as well.
He’s a young professional footballer being poorly advised by his agent and close advisory team - stop the press. He is potentially great, I think like many that he has real quality. He could perform brilliantly in a well balanced United side - but isn’t entitled to anything. His place won’t be protected in any world class side, so a move isn’t going to help if he cannot consistently contribute as part of a team strategy. Hope this is bullsh*t, or contract negotiation hardball (lacking class), but if he is agitating for a move in a sulk, then bon chance mon ami. Bring in a young, hungry right-sided attacking midfielder with the dividend.
Without having done the exact maths behind it, I get the distinct feeling Martial’s had more game time (at a significantly higher club level) than the likes of Zlatan and Van Persie when they were 22 years and four months old.
The notion that staying with us and ‘only’ feature in 30-40 games a season for the next two or three years would somehow be bad for his development is ridiculous I think. Particularly because he already had loads of development time over the last years and he he would have a very big personal influence on his own minutes in the future, by showing consistent form. Obviously has the talent to be a consistent starter too.
If he’s really offered a new contract and refuses to sign it, then he’s not the man I thought he was. If he lets himself get negatively influenced by his agent, I’d be dissappointed in him too. Anyway I’ll be keeping hope in a good outcome until anything’s final.
The notion that staying with us and ‘only’ feature in 30-40 games a season for the next two or three years would somehow be bad for his development is ridiculous I think. Particularly because he already had loads of development time over the last years and he he would have a very big personal influence on his own minutes in the future, by showing consistent form. Obviously has the talent to be a consistent starter too.
If he’s really offered a new contract and refuses to sign it, then he’s not the man I thought he was. If he lets himself get negatively influenced by his agent, I’d be dissappointed in him too. Anyway I’ll be keeping hope in a good outcome until anything’s final.
Of course it would! And were it not for his mercurial debut season, which won him both global fame and the FIFA Golden Boy award (both largely by virtue of playing for Manchester United) then he'd most likely be a lot more gracious and accepting of his inconsistent, but still pretty prominent role as an up and coming forward in a young, promising, work in progress Manchester United side....That was what he was bought to be, after all.
But being so feted and fawned over, in a season where we finished 5th, and hated ourselves so much that we celebrated our manager's sacking on the very same day we won an FA Cup, has not only over-elevated his legend amongst many fans, but also, I fear, in his own head.
We should most definitely try and keep him, but if he thinks he can demand a regular 1st XI spot, then let him try and see which other big sides will give him any greater assurances.
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That's probably his agent's doing as well. Footballers are generally concerned about the pitch, and let their agents sort out the marketing stuff.
Lukaku branded himself using the no.10, but he got the no.9 when he came here. He was probably happy with just being at a big club. I think Martial as the same; he enjoys being here and wants to be a top player here. I don't see him being annoyed about a number.
Bye bye baby.
People are far too attached to individual players. If he goes, he goes. If he reached the top level here, he would probably move on to Spain anyway.
This makes me so sad I can't even read about it.
He's got exactly the same ability he had 3 years ago. If he wants out and we're not playing him then we'll be lucky to get more than 30 million.
As I said previously I think Martial is the kind of players that we'll discuss his position in the club and future almost every season, because he seems to have the ambition to start every game and be a big part of the team and this isn't done at the moment and will be hard to maintain a starting position all the time at such age tbh. A player like Rashford can go on not playing a role for weeks and no one will be worried even if the media tried some useless BS. Martial is a different case.
Problem is I only see Juve as the only big team that will provide him with a main starting position all the time, not because he's bad, but it's pretty normal tbh. Look at a player like Asensio at Madrid. He doesn't play all the time but he's secured there and he knows if he's not a main starter every game, his future is clear at the club. Isco was the same few years ago. Martial has the ambition to be a consistent starter at a big team from now on, well, fair play then.
Problem is I only see Juve as the only big team that will provide him with a main starting position all the time, not because he's bad, but it's pretty normal tbh. Look at a player like Asensio at Madrid. He doesn't play all the time but he's secured there and he knows if he's not a main starter every game, his future is clear at the club. Isco was the same few years ago. Martial has the ambition to be a consistent starter at a big team from now on, well, fair play then.
Have you not been keeping up with the market lately? Factor in potential too and there's no way he's going for less than 50m, if he does leave.
It's barmy how many people on here underplay Martial's talent, letting him go would be a monumental mistake.
This is a huge shame if true after coming on from a big high of the city game, but if we lose martial and shaw you look at the ages that is poor from Mourinho, we linked with willian someone coming to 30 who is not better than martial or a rashford, sanchez is 30 next year, we have extended young's contract by another year who is 32 going on 33, we been linked with bale coming to 30 looks like his agent said he's staying at Madrid thankfully. But it worries me we looking to much older players all of a sudden by worse case we sell rashford, martial and shaw, decided to keep young, signed bale and willian both will be 30 in the new season, and he signed sanchez at also will be 30 in the new season to come. The transfer summer does seem a bit of a worry if Jose Mourinho is just going for players who are more short term than the bigger picture. We will see in the summer, but I wish he would try and get the best out of martial left, sanchez right, but it's Jose's decision if he decides to sell such a good player, we will see if he could be another KDB and salah. If Jose put the work into how he's done with fellaini and lingard, like he could do with martial, god knows the player martial could be
Could not agree more. This is type of attitude all players need to emulate. Get to work and let your football do the talking.
I love Martial but if he goes to Juve and Sandro is part of the deal I would be happy. I don’t want Martial on our bench and I struggle to see him nailing down a starting spot right now.
Do you think we should let him run his contract down? Do you think that as a general rule, forcing a player to remain at a club against his will is good for that club?
Oh bloody ell, another at it ffs... and not a single one of you have a response to the following that I’ve repeated every time this garbage has come up in this thread.
Carrick 36 replaced with Matic 28
Rooney 32 replaced with Sanchez 29
Schweinsteiger fecked right off.
Added to Pogba (24), Lukaku (24), Lindelöf (22) and Bailly (22)*. That absolutely is taking care of our future. Have you ever given any thought to what those purchases above have done for the quality and age of our squad?
What is it with you lot and your desperation for every signing to be fresh out of diapers @Oneunited26? We needed experience when sacking off the Rooneys, Schweinsteigers and Carricks, it was the right thing to do.
*ages when bought.
Who is underplaying his talent? Virtually everyone admits he is a fantastically talented player.
Some people are just sensible enough to not let him hold us for ransom. If he wants to start every game and get a massive pay rise; he hasn't exactly earned it. His best season was his first season; so why should a player that has hardly progressed be given a bumper new contract or assurances of a world class player?
Virtually everyone is happy with giving Martial 40 apps a season as an attacking option until he moves up a level. He would play the same role as Lingard and Mata, who don't play every game but are valuable players in important games.
If he goes. He goes.
People are quick to forget Rooney was nailed on for Chelsea a few years back. We should have cashed in.Considering the Lukaku move had no relevance to his move here. If It free's up wages and allows us to solidify another position. So be it. If he stays. so be it.
Nuclear forum football management here. Nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes.
People are quick to forget Rooney was nailed on for Chelsea a few years back. We should have cashed in.Considering the Lukaku move had no relevance to his move here. If It free's up wages and allows us to solidify another position. So be it. If he stays. so be it.
Nuclear forum football management here. Nobody knows what's going on behind the scenes.
We can see what he’s capable of on the pitch though. Would be a big loss imo
There is a plethora of extremely talented young players at top clubs, who are behind players more experienced and better at the moment, you don't see them all throwing a strop. You'd think Martial was being frozen out, before one of the best players in the league joined, he was constantly in the team. He'll get chances, he's still young. If he wants to leave to a team with less competition and if he wants to be playing now, all power to him, but we don't need players who aren't committed to the cause.
He could learn a lot from Sanchez and he'd be the star man in a few years as Sanchez isn't getting any younger. Players like Herrera and Lingard is what we should expect.
If we were to get Dybala for example, (who I consider a superior talent to Martial), who would actually suit the formation and tactics we seem to be aiming towards going forward, I wouldn't be complaining.
Without a doubt he has potential. And has scored some absolute cracking goals. But (in my honest opinion) it's his inconsistent play-style. He runs at defenders, often than not, losing the ball. Then takes a time-out whilst shrugging things off. I know people have said, Sanchez "runs a lot". But when he loses the ball, he shows willing. To run from one side of the pitch, to the other. To win said ball back.
Each to their own I guess. But I know who I would pick in that scenario.
What are you on about? Martial's (legitimate) concerns are quite clearly a result of him not getting adequate game time.
There are plenty of posts in this thread alone claiming he hasn't delivered enough to justify the hype and you've just claimed he's hardly progressed.
As @Borden noted in a previous post Martial's numbers are fantastic for a player getting the minutes he does. To use 'consistency' as a stick to beat him with when the manager doesn't afford him that same privilege of consistent minutes doesn't make sense.
There's a middle ground between starting every game and being an unused sub against both City and Swansea, as well as cameo appearances in both Sevilla games when we needed goals. I also haven't heard any reports of any 'bumper' contract and wouldn't expect him to get one should he move, you don't need to make things up.
I hope they do feck off as well, yeah.
Wouldn't be too fused if he wants to go with this kind of attitude. He wants to play in the highest level but can't handle the pressure and dont have the fight then feck him.
He won't end up as a world class player with that kind of attitude.
He won't end up as a world class player with that kind of attitude.
Plus if he thinks he's that good lets put him on sale and see how much the big clubs are offering him for.
My bet he wont get bid for more than 40m and that's at a stretch
My bet he wont get bid for more than 40m and that's at a stretch
Martial has been known to sulk when things aren’t going his way in terms of game time or even the outcome of the match, but I wouldn’t say he’s generally throwing a strop. He’s just a moody character. It doesn’t take away from his clear and obvious talent and you can understand why he’d want to leave consdiering during his time here he’s not only been shifted onto the left but now behind Sanchez and Lingard in the pecking order.
He is now our 3rd choice on the left, despite having a good season. It’s plain obvious to everyone he is leaving.
weird stance since recruiting and being able to groom and hold on to talent is a big factor when it comes to success. we have not exactly been lighting up football pitches and filling up the trophy room with coveted silverware lately.
and if the prospect of top spanish clubs wanting players that reach top level is enough to say "oh well, he probably would have moved anyway" then i guess we shouldn't sign anyone anymore.
No he isn't.
There's no guarantee of him reaching his full potential here or in another club. From what I've seen He has plenty of talents but his performances don't convince me if He will surely be a world class player ala Ronaldo or even Sanchez when They were still young. I hope We keep him but I won't lose my sleep if He goes.
So what's the sentiment on his lack of starts for the French national team?
After the wonderful debut season with us that everyone loves to point out as his best, potential showing time...Payet was selected over him pretty consistently through a run to the European final. And then what about WC qualifications?
I see a player with a lot of potential that hasn't come close to being realized. And after seeing Mata earn so many starts despite the purchase of Mikhitaryan i have no reason to feel anything but that Martial isn't doing enough in training and beyond to earn his place . If he leaves bc of playing time and role, it's his own doing...club can't sit around and wait for a player to change his moods while our rivals go from strength to strength .
After the wonderful debut season with us that everyone loves to point out as his best, potential showing time...Payet was selected over him pretty consistently through a run to the European final. And then what about WC qualifications?
I see a player with a lot of potential that hasn't come close to being realized. And after seeing Mata earn so many starts despite the purchase of Mikhitaryan i have no reason to feel anything but that Martial isn't doing enough in training and beyond to earn his place . If he leaves bc of playing time and role, it's his own doing...club can't sit around and wait for a player to change his moods while our rivals go from strength to strength .
As long as he doesn't go to any other English team, if he wants to leave, he wants to leave. I can see the likes of Atletico or Juve come in for him. Spurs can feck right off. Unless they want to part with Harry Kane? 
My Lord
Tell me how much he's worth then
Ffs
If we sell Martial I'll wait to see who we bring in to replace him before going ballistic... But when I look at it in a vacuum I can't say I'll have faith in the club to keep our best players and develop them anymore.
I think they'd be just as stupid as if they sold Rashard.
I agree with those that say that if Sanchez was bought in to be our left winger and not right winger/ss then signing him was a massive mistake.
I think they'd be just as stupid as if they sold Rashard.
I agree with those that say that if Sanchez was bought in to be our left winger and not right winger/ss then signing him was a massive mistake.
According to me bringing Sanchez in even if it leads to Martial leaving is not a mistake our attack needed strengthening and require further reinforcement on the right as well , the mistake is not to use one of Martial or Rashford as regular backup for Lukaku rather than forcing them to compete for left wing spot or allowing them time and patience to learn how to play on the right effectively.
More than double what you suggested
I don't care too much, to be honest. Martial is a great prospect, but he isn't bigger than the club. If he leaves, we can get someone as good or better than him. Well, we need someone better than him if we want to win something.