Buying Lukaku has been a good decision and going into the season as you said wouldn't be enough especially with Zlatan returning from injury.
In any case Jose has barely played Martial as a striker so Lukaku hasn't been his competition.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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In any case Jose has barely played Martial as a striker so Lukaku hasn't been his competition.
Sad to see this, but I’m not surprised given how things have been.
It might be a contract renewal move of course, but as suspicious as I am of these type of reports during contract talks, I don’t think it is - I think he actually wants out.
If I had to guess right now then I think we’ll let him go in the summer and give the number 11 shirt to the injury-ravaged ageing Welshman with the ludicrous comb-over, and I’ll hate it
It might be a contract renewal move of course, but as suspicious as I am of these type of reports during contract talks, I don’t think it is - I think he actually wants out.
If I had to guess right now then I think we’ll let him go in the summer and give the number 11 shirt to the injury-ravaged ageing Welshman with the ludicrous comb-over, and I’ll hate it
Martial being proven as a striker is news to me.Is your post on crack? What a nonsense post.
Martial is an unproven kid?
Buying a decent right winger, and full backs would have been sufficient along with matic this season and martial would have excelled as a striker.
Unproven
Buying Lukaku is one of the best moves Mourinho has made since he came here. The mistake he made was going in to this season relying on inconsistent youngsters like Martial and Rashford for important attacking positions. Now he has realised that and got in Sanchez instead.
Not saying Martial should leave or that he should have left in the summer but he should be happy with being s squad player until he develops and fight for a spot.
Well yeah, if it's plus cash then I understand.There is talk of PSG willing to let Verratti go. And it would obviously be cash + Martial type deal. Anyway, it's all pointless speculation in my head right now anyway.
For longevity and so they’d be happier sat on the bench for the next couple of seasons. Either that or a player who can grow in to the team ie. under 27.
Our left wing was fine before we signed Sanchez.
Are you genuinely blaming a player that doesn't want to extend in a club that might not play him regularly? Funnily enough Meunier last interview was about his wish to play regularly and find time in a smaller club like Dortmund, Everton and another one I can't remember.
Someone made a good point here. We already had news about Pogba then Rashord wanting to leave. It was all bollocks of course. So this story is just like that, nothing in it.
Mourinho obviously didn't think it was good enough.
Weak in the mind. He hasn't shown stability.
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I like Martial, I really do, although I don’t see him as a future ballon d’or winner, as many others on here do.
I would be sad to see him leave, but by no means devastated. He’s started 97 games and have 36 as a sub so far, and I honestly can not see that he has improved much (if any) from his first year.
As of now he’s not good enough to be a clear first XI choice imo, and if he doesn’t have what it takes to stay and fight for it, I’d say we rather get rid.
It would be a lot worse if Rashford and/or Lingard were sold as they seems to have the fighting spirit and the talent I’d like to see in United player, whereas Martial seems to only have the talent.
I would be sad to see him leave, but by no means devastated. He’s started 97 games and have 36 as a sub so far, and I honestly can not see that he has improved much (if any) from his first year.
As of now he’s not good enough to be a clear first XI choice imo, and if he doesn’t have what it takes to stay and fight for it, I’d say we rather get rid.
It would be a lot worse if Rashford and/or Lingard were sold as they seems to have the fighting spirit and the talent I’d like to see in United player, whereas Martial seems to only have the talent.
Martial has a great potential, but not even close to Sanchez present level. I am confident that next season he will be a providential player for United.
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The more I think it, the more I'm not worried re Martial - it just doesn't make any sense to sell him when we have both Mata and Sanchez on the way down who play his role. I think it's just some brinkmanship re the new contract imo
I see this thrown around a lot, but I don't see anyone who actually thinks this.
I don't see Rashford leaving unless Mourinho forces him out. He's young but he's one of the few players left in the squad who actually understand what it truly means to represent United. I see him joining the pantheon of United legends in years to come.
I've seen a few posts.
Do we know if he isn’t busting a gut in training as well tho?
Maybe you’re right as of now, but he certainly was seen as that by many during his first season.
It don't matter how many they were I am sure there are more but kdb and salah are pretty BIG mistakes. The talent was clear and the fans were shouting.
Fans were shouting over Lukaku and especially Salah?
Salah was barely given a chance at Chelsea. Jose would rather experience than youth. Watch how we sell the youngers and all these olders come in. Then in 3 years we are square one again .
Really funny seeing posts about how we can get the likes of Dybala, Veratti, Sandro, Griezmann etc in exchange for Martial, while also explaining how average Martial is or will never be world class.
Do you people think guys who run clubs like Juve, Atletico, Spurs are idiots? They make their clubs competitive to the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona not by making stupid deals.
I'd be surprised if we make 30m pounds from selling Martial, especially to a continental club.
Do you people think guys who run clubs like Juve, Atletico, Spurs are idiots? They make their clubs competitive to the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona not by making stupid deals.
I'd be surprised if we make 30m pounds from selling Martial, especially to a continental club.
Great that's another name to the list. I do remember fans questioning selling salah. I don't get what you are arguing. If you enjoy Jose and his ancient tactics and lack of competence with developing players then fair play.
Martial is talanted and there were obvious comparisons to Henry when he came, but I've always said that Martial would turn out to be a tremendous player if he's half as good as pomp Henry, who would have been a worthy ballon dor winner. I think people who see him as potential Ballon dor winner need a rain check.
Where have you seen that?
It was easily better than our right side and seeing as Sanchez can play on either, it would have made sense to play him there.
Similar to Dembele's hype after last season.
Recently? I'd imagine there were a load after his first season, but not now.
You do realise that there have only been 2 Ballon Dor winners as recently as 7 years? No one is saying Martial will win the Ballon D'or in the future, all they are saying is that he can be a world class players. Do you think his replacement Sanchez or Rashford will ever win Ballon Dors?
Go throught the posts in this thread
Ive read this thread. No one is calling him average and yet expecting to make a killing when selling him. Hence the question!
Should we sell most of our youngsters as they are too big of a risk?
If we sell Martial we would need to buy another attacker in addition to the full-backs, central midfielder and arguably a central defender too. I'd avoid it. Though I wouldn't mind adding Leon Bailey.
Him not being a future ballon d’or winner wasn’t the reason why I said he maybe should leave, you must’ve not read my post properly.
Some thoughts:
- If he can't handle competition then perhaps he hasn't got the right mentality to play for us.
- He's talented, yes, but he's far from a sure thing, and he is not good enough for the first time of a title winning team yet. He is nowhere close to Alexis at the moment, despite their form. He also doesn't defend for the team like Alexis does, which is also important for Jose I suspect.
- This is probably a ruse to get a better contract offer.
How long before he becomes overrated, crap and a player who was 'never that good'?
What talented young players would want to come here if this happens?
This is not good.
This is not good.
Meh, see ya, door is that way.
I love Martial, and would be incredibly sad to lose him, but he’s also quite obviously a bit of a pussy.
It’s not the first time a spell out of the team has preceded leaked melodramatic news like this. It’s been hanging over him, on and off, for nearly two seasons now. Every time he was dropped after a period of poor form. Even though he was merely a 20 year old wunderkind with one prominent season under his belt.
And yet despite all this perpetual commotion, he was flying high, in fine form and playing regularly as little as 3 months back.
So while Jose may not have embraced him like LVG (or another manager) might, it’s not like he’s been frozen out or anything either. He’s always been able to win his place back, when he deserved it. And for a 22 year old, at a club like United, that’s not particularly weird, unfair or unremarkable.
And sure, bringing in a ringer like Sanchez must have been a kick in the nuts. And he’s been given less leeway than others. But to go from in form and happy to “I’m off!” in 3 months, only bolsters my opinion that he’s never truly appreciated that it’s United that made him a star, and not the other way around.
Great player. Great potential. Would be a Great loss. But the whole “Martial FC/The club should bend over backwards to accommodate his insecurity”? Nah. Not buying it.
It’s not the first time a spell out of the team has preceded leaked melodramatic news like this. It’s been hanging over him, on and off, for nearly two seasons now. Every time he was dropped after a period of poor form. Even though he was merely a 20 year old wunderkind with one prominent season under his belt.
And yet despite all this perpetual commotion, he was flying high, in fine form and playing regularly as little as 3 months back.
So while Jose may not have embraced him like LVG (or another manager) might, it’s not like he’s been frozen out or anything either. He’s always been able to win his place back, when he deserved it. And for a 22 year old, at a club like United, that’s not particularly weird, unfair or unremarkable.
And sure, bringing in a ringer like Sanchez must have been a kick in the nuts. And he’s been given less leeway than others. But to go from in form and happy to “I’m off!” in 3 months, only bolsters my opinion that he’s never truly appreciated that it’s United that made him a star, and not the other way around.
Great player. Great potential. Would be a Great loss. But the whole “Martial FC/The club should bend over backwards to accommodate his insecurity”? Nah. Not buying it.
I am in agreement with this.
Rashford next?
No. We don't. Like I said in my post, I don't know. But I think it starts there, and Jose makes decisions based on that. That's my guess. As a manager, he watches his players in training and picks them based on form in the most part. He wants to win, he's not going to go around having random vendettas against players as a number of posters in here would like to believe.