He's basing it on a dream that Rashford and Martial will someday be world beaters.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
Ill ask this of you since nobody else answered me..
Any other names? He's been a manager for 15 years, the list of Martials must be as long as your arm if this is typical Jose..
What if Mourinho's answer is that Sanchez wouldn't fit that well on the right in our system? You answer is now, "we shouldn't have signed Sanchez". Im sorry, but he is much better than Martial and there are questions on what level Martial will reach anyway. We 100% should have signed Sanchez. Martial is not Neymar or Ronaldo, and will never reach that level. If he did have that level of talent, it's a different story. Sanchez signing was 100% correct.
Because Sanchez is a better player available on a swap deal?
Should we not sign better players now?
I don't disagree. But what reassurances can we realistically give?
We signed Martial for 50 million. You realise we could do something similar in the coming years?
Why wouldn't he fit on the right? That's exactly where was for our first goal against City. Playing with the freedom Mata and Lingard get, there wouldn't really be an issue.
I am glad we signed him, but if City hadn't gone in not sure we would have either.
Lingard has been a favourite of Jose and has had and excellent season. Mata might still be sold this summer.
I’m devastated if the news is true. Martial is easily my favourite player, that LVG season was incredible. He’s had a decent season this season too. I don’t think he’ll hit the heights of say Ronaldo, but more a Ribery level.
He’ll be world class elsewhere. I can see him going Juventus, I think it’d be a good move for him. I seriously hope we use him to get someone like Dybala from Juve or something.
I think signing Sánchez always caused this issue, and as good as Sánchez is, I think the club has looked too short term for this. Martial was performing well, and whilst Sánchez is world class, how long will he perform at a high level? Martial, whilst may never perform as well as Sánchez, could still produce good numbers and provide magic with his dribbling. I’ve backed Mourinho but if we lose Martial this summer, questions will be asked.
He’ll be world class elsewhere. I can see him going Juventus, I think it’d be a good move for him. I seriously hope we use him to get someone like Dybala from Juve or something.
I think signing Sánchez always caused this issue, and as good as Sánchez is, I think the club has looked too short term for this. Martial was performing well, and whilst Sánchez is world class, how long will he perform at a high level? Martial, whilst may never perform as well as Sánchez, could still produce good numbers and provide magic with his dribbling. I’ve backed Mourinho but if we lose Martial this summer, questions will be asked.
1. I would 1 question the logic of that and the system, given that our world record signing cannot seem to fit into said system as well I would question whether he has the right system for the squad.
2. If we wanted to sign Sanchez and he didn't think he could play on the right (even though he has played over half his career there) then I would question him also
3. Lets say all that was fine though, did United have a problem with the left side of the attack? NO! We have major issues and still do with the lack of balance on the RW we didn't NEED to sign Sanchez, especially when someone like Bale could be available in the summer.
Also FUTURE planning. The notion that we NEEDED to sign Sanchez and it was 100% right to do so, as if there is no other top class attacker we could sign which maybe would have actually solved a problem we had in the side, problems we STILL clearly have is a nonsense.
Right, so just stick Sanchez on the right and play Martial on the left. Seems a very simple fix. So simple that Mourinho is probably aware of it and isn't doing it for a reason. Much like he was reluctant to play Rashford and Martial on either wing.
No way we are getting any of Rabiot, Veratti or Dybala for Martial. Veratti is probably worth three times what Martial is.
We'd have waited for the summer and got him on a free then?
City have signed a lot of players that we haven't tried to highjack.
I like Martial, but if the choices are Sanchez on the left with a Martial funded Sandro behind or Martial with a cheaper Danny Rose (I cant think of an example) then its option 1 for me.
Saying that, it seems this is on the player and not Jose so who knows if funds are even a factor.
A world class player became available so we signed him. With considerations to our transfer budget, it was a fantastic deal. We signed a world class forward and still have our budget to sign the CM's and fullbacks we need. We could sell Martial and sign a RW as well, who knows. Sanchez > Martial. Rashford for the future.
It's almost a given at this point that this will be another Mourinho speciality like Salah, De Bruyne and Lukaku.
I seriously don't rate this guy as a top talent at LW
Still not too bothered as I dont rate martial as highly as others. He should’ve established himself as a starter by now.
If we can use him as a makeweight for someone else a (Dybala/Veratti type) then I’m all for it.
If we can use him as a makeweight for someone else a (Dybala/Veratti type) then I’m all for it.
A bad mistake this. Hope United know he should be sold abroad. Would be worst selling him to another PL club.
Imagine alienating one of our most talented young players. Fecking crap
Imagine alienating one of our most talented young players. Fecking crap
Well that's on you then.
It is justified. Proven players will get preference because they are just that, proven. You already know what they are capable of. With youngsters you are taking too big of a risk.
Took him a while to finally play Pogba in a three as well, to be fair.
Remember how great Salah was at Chelsea? That’s because he wasn’t very good. Then it took him a season on loan at Fiorentina and another 2 seasons at Roma before he reached his potential. Any Chelsea manager doesn’t have 3 years to allow a player to reach his potential.
So signing Lukaku and Zlatan, two of the best strikers in the world was a mistake because an unproven kid should have played instead. Right.
Second season syndrome happens to a lot of young players.
Hate to think that if he leaves, he might have a better career. Some players are just not suited to Jose's football style and management.
Shame that Jose has so much say in our transfers. Maybe a dof would help.
Begging fellaini to stay while freezing martial on the bench
Shame that Jose has so much say in our transfers. Maybe a dof would help.
Begging fellaini to stay while freezing martial on the bench
I agree. But it's Martial who isn't happy not being a starter and wants to leave, not Rashford. That's the problem.
Do we believe those reports or not? As I understand there are both reports he want to go and he wants to stay.
In the coming years? I hope it’s sooner than that mate.
What’s your point anyway? I’m asking when we last signed a hidden gem. £50m is not a hidden gem.
Why do we need to sign a hidden gem?
Is your post on crack? What a nonsense post.
Martial is an unproven kid?
Buying a decent right winger, and full backs would have been sufficient along with matic this season and martial would have excelled as a striker.
Unproven
He's 22 y.o. Beckham, Scholes, Xavi, Iniesta, Zidane &, Del Piero all were still a novice at that age. i think people have watched too much Messi or Ronaldo and think every players at that age shouldve start in the starting IX at a big club. If Martial doesnt want to wait & learn his trade, i can only say good bye and good luck. Can't see United sell him to another PL clubs or for cheap though, so his options will be pretty limited.
So you'd go into the season with just Martial as a striker?Is your post on crack? What a nonsense post.
Martial is an unproven kid?
Buying a decent right winger, and full backs would have been sufficient along with matic this season and martial would have excelled as a striker.
Unproven
There is talk of PSG willing to let Verratti go. And it would obviously be cash + Martial type deal. Anyway, it's all pointless speculation in my head right now anyway.
It was clear as a day. He is not even first sub anymore. He knows he will be reduced to 10 mins per game and some smaller game.
He will be our de bruyne
He will be our de bruyne
Last season his agent was sounding off about Seville, and now this. "Play me or I'm gone" appears to be the attitude. F*ck 'im then. With a bit of luck some of his rabid fanclub will go with him.
Be fuming if he left, he will given a run of games be fantastic. He showed that earlier this season where he was starting a bunch of games and was one of our best players. At the very minimum and if he were to go, I hope he signs a new deal just so we can get a mega fee because losing him on the cheap in this market is criminal
Only to sell the player again
Rashford, Martial and Zlatan.
Zlatan had signed an extension and would have been a backup. Lukaku has not been a bad buy and is showing a lot of promise but we had mata and lingard as cover for the left side, a new right winger with good full backs would have suited united better.
If he wants to go he’s a pussy