Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay

[bosnian_red]

Im surprised so many people are shocked. Its been coming. We've Rashford and Sanchez on the left. Absolutely no options on the right. Our attack is unbalanced, if I had to pick one attacking player to leave the club right now, it would be Martial. As talanted as he is.

Would definitely get rid of both lingard and Mata before Martial. Rashford isnt a long term wide player, martial is definitely more natural out there. Rashford is more of a forward playing out wide. He should be rotating or playing alongside Lukaku more (or martial doing that if rashford is back up left Winger). Imo, we dont really need #10's with how squad is shaped. Certainly not 2 who do a job on the right at best. So I would sooner bet rid of both lingard and Mata, get a proper right winger like Bailey, in and that be that.

I think the biggest problem with all this is how Mourinho sees his strikers. He never rotates them. Never subs them. Never moves them around or changes to go 2 up top. So lukaku plays almost every single game and the entire game, leaving no room for a back up striker. Rashford or martial or both would get loads of playing time if Mourinho had more flexibility in how he used his attack, but he doesnt, so there's only space for one.

 

[Cassidy]

Maybe the signing of Zlatan was the start of the problem?

Yes and then Lukaku, I think it would have been ok if the left was left for them, but then we signed Sanchez. That is 3 blows and enough for any player to look at it and think the manager just doesn't have faith in me


EDIT: In all honest I feel like we should be playing a 2 striker system and rotating the two of them with Lukaku, and should have done the same with Ibra

 

[Silas]

Maybe the signing of Zlatan was the start of the problem?

I suppose the undroppable striker situation started with him. I can't blame Mou for signing a striker at that point though. I'd say the main issue was not giving Martial (and Rashford) enough opportunities at striker that season, as I believe signing Lukaku could have been avoided if the two were allowed to grow into the role more in preparation for this one. One of the two starting up top, with Sanchez on the left and another being 2nd choice for either position would have worked.

 

[VanHaal'sRedArmy]

I'd sell Martial to Juve, PSG, Atleti as long as we get one of their players in return.

Obviously Mbappe would be amazing but thats never happening so no point in dreaming.

I would however take Rabiot, Verratti from PSG.

Koke will never leave Atleti and Griezmann looks to be on his way to Barca. So Saul and/or Gimenez would be great.

From Juve, I'd love Dybala and/or Sandro.

If Martial is to leave, I hope it's not for nothing and we can get one of those players in return.

Neymar Jr.

 

[fcbforever]

So my „sell him to us“ memes might come true? One of the big players loading off one of their most talented players because he doesn’t really play a role any more is a textbook Bayern transfer

 

[Cassidy]

I suppose the undroppable striker situation started with him. I can't blame Mou for signing a striker at that point though. I'd say the main issue was not giving Martial (and Rashford) enough opportunities at striker that season, as I believe signing Lukaku could have been avoided if the two were allowed to grow into the role more in preparation for this one.

Which is the story he gave us when he became manager....

 

[Josep Dowling]

I may be in a minority but I wouldn’t be too upset to see him leave provided they include a buy back clause.

He’s very much a confidence player and some games he is unstoppable, the next he disappears for 2/3 games, that is why Sanchez was bought in.

Potential yes but he’s 22 now, I would have expected him to be a bit more consistent. But then if he does move along I expect him to move back to his natural position as a striker and I think he will flourish.

 

[Silas]

Which is the story he gave us when he became manager....

Yep, I remember him talking about how there was a perfect age difference between Ibra and Rashford. Convinced me into thinking they'd rotate quite a bit.

 

[charlenefan]

Would make a lot of sense. You get Rose to improve your LB position, assuming he still wants to move back North. And Martial gets to work with a coach that will improve him and give him every chance to break into our first XI.

Serious mods how the feck does he get away posting this shite?

 

[redflair]

I think this one will ping-pong in the media right to up deadline day after the World Cup. I can't see him signing with anyone before then (unless we get someone) in the meantime.

He's a bit different to what we have - but obviously he's not allowed to show his skills right now - so his agent is probably lining some clubs up for him.

I'll be surprised if the few clubs mentioned (Juve, PSG etc...) don't become a bit of a bigger queue by the end of the summer. I think he's that good, if trusted and given a long run in the team.

 

[An Irish Red]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

If we don't?

So, you, and most of this thread, are basically saying that our hopes of winning trophies hinge on Martial? fecking hell.

 

[haram]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

Wrong.

 

[charlenefan]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

I thought about starting that very thread, personally I'd say Rashford is the one that needs to be kept

 

[Alvaro Maestre]

Give me Griezman in exchange.

 

[Rash Decision]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

Can't agree at all.

 

[JPRouve]

I may be in a minority but I wouldn’t be too upset to see him leave provided they include a buy back clause.

He’s very much a confidence player and some games he is unstoppable, the next he disappears for 2/3 games, that is why Sanchez was bought in.

Potential yes but he’s 22 now, I would have expected him to be a bit more consistent. But then if he does move along I expect him to move back to his natural position as a striker and I think he will flourish.

I have seen this a lot on the caf and do people realize that this sentence is true for every athletes on earth. There isn't a single athletes that isn't a confidence player and Sanchez the new caf darling was a prime example with Barcelona.

 

[J-Stander]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

Completely agree.

 

[Silas]

So, you, and most of this thread, are basically saying that our hopes of winning trophies hinge on Martial? fecking hell.

Feck knows how you've got that from what I said. His point was based on a conditional that may or may not happen. I was simply wondering what happens to that point if we don't have success. Nothing more.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I have seen this a lot on the caf and do people realize that this sentence is true for every athletes on earth. There isn't a single athletes that isn't a confidence player and Sanchez the new caf darling was a prime example with Barcelona.

It’s merely a term of phrase. When things aren’t going well he generally takes the easy pass or just looks lazy with his runs. I don’t think Sanchez is a CAF darling. He was getting some stick on here after the terrible start he made. He’s made up for it a little bit since the international break.

 

[Silas]

If we absolutely have to get rid of one of our three left-sided wide forwards then Rashford is the obvious choice. He's the least talented of the three by a distance.

It would be lunacy to let Martial go.

I'd agree tbh, but I'd love for both to stay. Rashford being from the academy and a life-long fan would mean I'd have an equally bitter taste in my mouth if he left though.

 

[Dante]

He might not be the best player in the squad, but he does at least one Youtube-able dribble every other game. Gifs and Youtube are important aspects of modern football.

 

[Gordon S]

We will obviously be fine without him, but i really like watching him play for us.

People around the world were baffled that we paid so much for him, this unknown youngster.
But then he explodes on the scene right from the start with that goal against Liverpool. I fistpumped so hard i almost dislocated my shoulder when he scored. And after a rough second season he was finding his feet again this season.

I am so excited to see his development in the near future and it would hurt to see him hit another gear next season in a another kit.

 

[bosnian_red]

He might not be the best player in the squad, but he does at least one Youtube-able dribble every other game. Gifs and Youtube are important aspects of modern football.

Good thing he is also one of the most productive players in our squad per 90 minutes too, to go along with the gifs

 

[MJJ]

Should feck mourinho off before we sell martial.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

Feck knows how you've got that from what I said. His point was based on a conditional that may or may not happen. I was simply wondering what happens to that point if we don't have success. Nothing more.

And that won't be because we (if) sold Martial.

 

[haram]

And that won't be because we (if) sold Martial.

Exactly.

 

[Silas]

And that won't be because we (if) sold Martial.

Ok. Did I say it would be? Struggling to see your point when we could probably set the same condition for any player.

 

[Random Task]

Should feck mourinho off before we sell martial.

Yeah that will happen.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Fair enough, goodbye.

 

[TsuWave]

Hilarious post. First you criticize Martial's goals/assists return, which is actually pretty damn good for a developing young player, and then you go on to say that in contrast to Martial, Perisic and Willian - two players in the prime of their careers - deliver goals and assists for their clubs every week.

Martial stats last 3 seasons in the league: 5536 minutes played, 24 goals, 15 assists - goal/assist every 142 minutes.
Willian stats last 3 seasons in the league: 5959 minutes played, 19 goals, 14 assists - goal/assist every 180 minutes.
Perisic stats last 3 seasons in the league: 7853 minutes played, 27 goals, 22 assists - goal/assist every 160 minutes.

So.. yeah..

martial's efficiency and efficacy are underrated

 

[MJJ]

Yeah that will happen.

Mourinho is going to leave in a couple of years(max) anyway.

 

[Cassidy]

And that won't be because we (if) sold Martial.

If we do well what will it matter? We might sign someone better.

This was the quoted post. Nowhere was there mention of lack of success being down to selling Martial.
The question is, what happens if we do not have success. Also what if we sign someone worse?

 

[Di Maria's angel]

If he leaves he'll thrive wherever he ends up.

We'll end up regretting this massively.

If we do well what will it matter? We might sign someone better.

If we don't?

Feck knows how you've got that from what I said. His point was based on a conditional that may or may not happen. I was simply wondering what happens to that point if we don't have success. Nothing more.

My point is that whatever happens, it doesn't hinge on Martial staying or not. He can be contributing factor to success but he hasn't shown that he can be the most important factor.

Maybe I misunderstood your first post, but that's the point that I was making.

 

[Di Maria's angel]

This was the quoted post. Nowhere was there mention of lack of success being down to selling Martial.
The question is, what happens if we do not have success.

This is being discussed in thread based on the potential sale of Martial. I'm going to assume that he's seen as a contributing factor towards success or the lack of it.

 

[JPRouve]

It’s merely a term of phrase. When things aren’t going well he generally takes the easy pass or just looks lazy with his runs. I don’t think Sanchez is a CAF darling. He was getting some stick on here after the terrible start he made. He’s made up for it a little bit since the international break.

But again every player is a confidence player, every player will take less risk when they are down, they will all hesitate or do too much. An example when Ronaldo isn't confident, he shoots from everywhere at every opportunity, while Messi doesn't get on to the ball as much and second guess himself, Pogba tries to dribble everyone or he refuses to play high, Cavani shanks a lot more shots and you can do that with pretty much every player on earth.

Confidence is important for everyone wherever they play and it's the role of the manager to maintain it high at all time. That's why SAF was always keeping it light before games, telling his players to enjoy themselves, that they were more than capable, that he trusted them.

 

[haram]

The question is, what happens if we do not have success. Also what if we sign someone worse?

Then that's football and that's transfers. The success of Manchester United does not hinge on Martial, at all.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

This was the quoted post. Nowhere was there mention of lack of success being down to selling Martial.
The question is, what happens if we do not have success. Also what if we sign someone worse?

Martial is sat on the bench so isn't actually contributing at this moment, if we sign someone who is a starter and does add something. We could go on all night with what ifs.

 

[Cassidy]

Then that's football and that's transfers. The success of Manchester United does not hinge on Martial, at all.

Terribly defensive. We should assess whether or not selling him is best for the club long term. We need to think about player acquisition and sales above the station of the manager if we are in this new cycle of managers only lasting 2/3 years.

My question isn't about Martial specifically its, how do we handle clearly talented young talents.

@DomesticTadpole basically this is what I am getting at.

 

[Lennon7]

Then that's football and that's transfers. The success of Manchester United does not hinge on Martial, at all.

Although you’re largely right, Martial is one of the most talented young forwards in the world right now and we’d be crazy to let him go. Who can we possibly get that would give us what he could (could) over the next 5 years?