Which probably isn't true. I'd believe the French sources over any British ones. It's likely this story comes from straight from Martial's camp.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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Which probably isn't true. I'd believe the French sources over any British ones. It's likely this story comes from straight from Martial's camp.
Yes because Jose placed him in the starting team once he got here. His form hasn't been the best prior to the City game, which is why using the single game as some sort of "lesson" to Martial is ignorant.
Martial was in form before he was benched for Sanchez who has been largely average. Shaw was benched for Ashley Young despite having performed decently but this decision is still understandable as young has been consistently good. Fellaini was preferred in the CL despite Mc Tominay playing very well for games prior the Sevilla game. Mikhi was alowed to stink out the place for months before he was let go yet Martial and Rashford get benched for 1 bad game. Mourinho has consistently trusted older players to play themselves into form and has not afforded the same luxury to younger players.
For the short term I would say all these decisions can be justified but unfortunately that is the problem with manager and the club, no long term thinking. Jose would rather have couple of years of Sanchez's service than go through the pain of coaching Martial to his potential for the next 10 years as Jose is not going to be here that long. This policy is going to be applied to all of our youngsters. Jose would have upgraded De Gea straight away if he was managing him in his 1st two years at United due to the mistakes he was making and I am sure Mourinho's fans would have justified that as well.
I'm not sure I get what you are saying here at all? Martial has shown he has what it takes, he has put in countless performances for us over the 3 years he's been here, granted there have been games where he's not been at the races, but isn't that everyone? Now if he's on the bench and not playing because the manager doesn't for some reason fancy him in the team, then how is that him being weak?
He is the biggest talent in our squad after Pogba.
I can't blame him to be honest. His treatment after Sanchez arrival was shocking. Add to that previous scandal with Zlatan arrival and his number.
This is absolutely on us if happens and I will seriously be furious.
I can't blame him to be honest. His treatment after Sanchez arrival was shocking. Add to that previous scandal with Zlatan arrival and his number.
This is absolutely on us if happens and I will seriously be furious.
That is because kids running away from evil Jose makes a better story and confirms to their usual standards
No.
The obvious thing to me is Sanchez should be on the right, the second thing if we don't want to do that is that Martial should be getting minutes even if its off the bench and Rashford should certainly not be getting off the bench before him (based on their contributions this season).
The fact Lukaku doesn't get subbed ever and is hardly rotated is another problem and I imagine something we will likely see with Sanchez soon too. We will probably have the same problem with Rashford soon enough too
I misunderstood.How is he slagging Lukaku off?
I will say this, I really hope the club thinks about our long term success and future, this has to set off a red flag, considering this was predicted even before Jose started the job.
We have 4 attacking positions in our setup and Sanchez, Martial, Rashford, Mata, Lingard and Lukaku to fill them. It's a travesty that Martial doesn't consistently see a lot more game time.
I agree about Sanchez could play on the right and Martial on the left. Then of course it will be some foreign kid holding back Rashford, even though Rashford and Martial have been in teams together at some point and it has looked a bit underwhelming.
I'd sell Martial to Juve, PSG, Atleti as long as we get one of their players in return.
Obviously Mbappe would be amazing but thats never happening so no point in dreaming.
I would however take Rabiot, Verratti from PSG.
Koke will never leave Atleti and Griezmann looks to be on his way to Barca. So Saul and/or Gimenez would be great.
From Juve, I'd love Dybala and/or Sandro.
If Martial is to leave, I hope it's not for nothing and we can get one of those players in return.
Obviously Mbappe would be amazing but thats never happening so no point in dreaming.
I would however take Rabiot, Verratti from PSG.
Koke will never leave Atleti and Griezmann looks to be on his way to Barca. So Saul and/or Gimenez would be great.
From Juve, I'd love Dybala and/or Sandro.
If Martial is to leave, I hope it's not for nothing and we can get one of those players in return.
Won't happen. Unless there's a massive transfer going on a la RVP, Sanchez. Martial won't be traded for Rose or something like that, I'm sure about it, we very seldom strengthen rivals. I could see him joining At. Madrid if Greizmann leaves.
Incorrect. What was predicted was that our academy players will be sold/loaned and they wont get a chance.
Rashford, Lingard and Scott completely destroy that prediction.
My worry is that we might lose Martial/Rashford for Mourinho to end up leaving the following year. Not worth it.
Hilarious post. First you criticize Martial's goals/assists return, which is actually pretty damn good for a developing young player, and then you go on to say that in contrast to Martial, Perisic and Willian - two players in the prime of their careers - deliver goals and assists for their clubs every week.
Martial stats last 3 seasons in the league: 5536 minutes played, 24 goals, 15 assists - goal/assist every 142 minutes.
Willian stats last 3 seasons in the league: 5959 minutes played, 19 goals, 14 assists - goal/assist every 180 minutes.
Perisic stats last 3 seasons in the league: 7853 minutes played, 27 goals, 22 assists - goal/assist every 160 minutes.
So.. yeah..
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I'm less bothered about that tbh, lert the best player win, also one of them should really be no2 striker and as I said Lukaku should be subbed/rotated more than he is.
Its ridiculous how underrated Martials achievements are here, even though for the past 1.5 years he has been a bit part player
Bad move. Was in good form before being moved out for Sanchez. Short sighted and will end up regretting it. The lack of game time for France has been a trigger.
Its not incorrect at all, Martial ending up being marginalised was predicted as well as the other prediction. You are wrong buddy. Also the story of Rashford isn't exactly complete, there are mumours about him not being happy with his game time also
I'd have liked to keep him but we can live without him. There's no doubt about his talent, but there seems to be something in his mentality that keeps him from living up to his potential thus far. If he played like we know he can on a consistent basis, I don't think we would even have bought Sanchez. Unfortunately, you can't frequently have several consecutive games where you're playing at 75% and expect to be a regular starter. If he'd rather go somewhere else than stay and fight for his place, that's just the way it is.
Gutted if he goes - was always against signing Sanchez because I feared this.
I can take shit performances against the likes of Seville.
What I can’t take is letting our youngsters leave - just like he did with de bruyne, Salah etc
I can take shit performances against the likes of Seville.
What I can’t take is letting our youngsters leave - just like he did with de bruyne, Salah etc
Hes 22 and started the season on the bench.
So a bunch of predictions was made and one of them stuck.. (still rumours only)
Im surprised so many people are shocked. Its been coming. We've Rashford and Sanchez on the left. Absolutely no options on the right. Our attack is unbalanced, if I had to pick one attacking player to leave the club right now, it would be Martial. As talanted as he is.
That problem was there before Sanchez ever turned up. Every week it was one or the other starting, then people were screaming about why they both couldn't play and when they did they were awful as both want to play on the left. Sanchez has made the problem worse as he could play on the right but doesn't and the other two can fight it out for the left. Then it depends who performs the better. Although to me Sanchez is a different kind of play which showed from the balls he put in on Saturday. The other two run at people, Martial is a better dribbler, Rashford is quick, but doesn't look up and takes attempts on goal when there is someone better placed.
We all know Mourinho and the type of deals he pulls. I was thinking: Hazard is surely out this summer and Chelsea needs a replacement. Hypothetically speaking, is there any change to see an exchange Willian-Martial?
The way Lukaku played on Saturday it would have been nice to bring someone on for him up front.
But thats not true is it, actually both of them want to play in the striker position.
Jose could have if he wanted to, he never does though...
Regards this, I think Mourinho greatest achievement would not be getting rid of Martial, but actually managing to convince a good number of our fans that Martial is not really worth keeping.
Do you think the fact that Rashford is a United academy product has had a bearing on it? That the fallout of not playing Rashford at all would be worse than Martial not being played?
Bloody hell. Don't make the problem worse.
I do, in fact I am 100% certain it is. The problem I have with it though is that the two of them do not need to fight for 1 position. The second problem I have is clearly Martial is the better player.
Maybe the signing of Zlatan was the start of the problem?
Touché.
Bloody hell. Don't make the problem worse.
I'm just super frustrated, we are messing up both of their development. Rashford is not even good on the left ffs, at least Martial is a talent there, even if its not his desired position.