We should get rid of him and the incompetent Ed Woodward who appointed him. Only then the future of the club will be bright as the Sun
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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No disrespect to fans who want him here, I do like Martial and think he has talent to become world class, but, I feel he is a bit lazy and not trying hard. My observation comes directly from his demeanor, nothing else. Even when he plays, you are just praying that he is fired up to deliver performance, but most of the times I am left disappointed.
I haven't read the article, just the heading. I would not be overly happy if we lost Martial, but it's not the end of the world. The way I see it, if it's true, and he wants out because he's not getting enough playing time, then get rid. If his attitude isn't to knuckle down and fight for his place, off you go son. I want players who will fight when the chips are down, not players who want things handed to them.
I'm saying all this as a big if, by the way, because I don't necessarily believe everything that papers write.
I'm saying all this as a big if, by the way, because I don't necessarily believe everything that papers write.
You guys need a LB, so perhaps a straight swap for Rose is on the cards.
Feck off.
Alexis Sanchez is 29 and will likely be here for a few more years. Martial can't afford to be a rotation option until he's 25. We've had constant links to a new right winger as well which would further reduce his game time. Good luck if you think we can force him to stay for 12 more months. Best way of showing he's wanted - in his eyes - is by playing him.
Bayern were one of the clubs originally interested in 2015 and their long term wing options after Ribery and Robben aren't certain. They've got Coman and Gnabry.
Juve won 2 legitimate titles after he left, then 2 dodgy ones.
Arsenal got Henry, won also just 2 titles and despite having this incredible player didn't/haven't win another title since 2004. How many have Juve won despite getting fecking relegated? Jesus Christ man it was a good point about Henry but you'll argue fecking anything won't you?
Not that I will go all out on the Martial wagon as I am sure we will find a top class player to replace him. . But I dont fully trust a manager who pulls out all the stops to keep Fellaini but lets Martial leave without so much as a peep..
Right. Don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda against Jose. The fact he has repeatedly signed young players, played young players in the team. I love how people come out with this - you'd swear Madrid & Chelsea fell apart due to having an aging team after he left them. Such an incorrect, oft repeated view.
They got to keep 2. Arsenal actually won more during that period - Henry helped them win 2 League titles and 2 FA Cups. The idea that Thierry Henry in his prime would've feck all more than David fecking Trezeguet. They could've had one more CL title in that period with someone of Henry's quality upfront.
Exactly. Real Madrid sold Eto'o and he ended up being one of the best strikers in Barcelona's history etc. Barcelona sold Luiz Ronaldo and (via Inter) he went on to become a Madrid Galatico and World Cup legend.
The biggest, richest clubs will always be able to recover from selling their players.
Well said.
Every single time. Over reaction after over reaction 
Whatever winds up being the outcome I will be conncerned only if whatever replacement(s) we go for are on par with how we sought to replace Cristiano when he left.
Whatever winds up being the outcome I will be conncerned only if whatever replacement(s) we go for are on par with how we sought to replace Cristiano when he left.
Win the title next season then?
Sad to see him go, he has alot of potential. Think the Sanchez signing was a good move but not that he's played in the same position as two of our biggest talents. I hope he stays but I can understand he wants to leave looking at the competition he's facing. Lukaku is the ever starter, Sanchez is played in the same position and on top of that he has to fight Rashford as the replacement. Good luck to him whatever he chooses.
Well you say its nonsense but can't martial stay and fight for LW which will be open in couple of years. Thats kind of my point.
Arsenal only won more because of the scandal, otherwise it was 4 leagues to 2. And Arsenal haven't won a league since 2004. Henry, incredible player that he was left Arsenal in 2007 after three seasons winning f-all.
A player who is still here? Who, until about 3 hours ago we hadn't an inkling might be leaving? Lets him leave without a peep ... you've given him loads of time to respond. Good Lord.
Only in your head but i have to stop here, this thread isnt about that, can already sense warnings coming towards me about derail.
Oh, you must have missed all the times he fought for his place and actually won it this season?
The problem now is that he's not even getting any opportunity to fight for anything. Mourinho does not even bring him up as a sub anymore in our recent matches. Tell me, how does he win his place? He literally has no choice but to leave.
Mourinho has really done a number on some of you guys. The sheer amount of inaccuracies and falsehood being peddled here shows a lot.
It no coincidence that it's mostly the Mourinho asslickers that are fine with him leaving.
Yea well, you dont need to tell me that.
Could see a move to spurs happening.
Can I just point out a few things for the hysterical posters....
- Martial is 22yo
- 24 PL goals in 82 appearances
- 15 assists in 82 appearances
Now we can all argue until the cows come home about Martial's 'potential'. I for one, believe that he IS an incredibly talented player and will probably go on to do a good job for another 'second Tier' club
However, are those statistics really the statistics of a player who is good enough to nail down a starting position in a 'first Tier' club? I would say probably not. We aren't talking about a 17yo kid, where talking about someone who has just under 200 appearances for club and country
Now, in terms of attitude, does Martial really, really fight for the club when he is on the pitch? Does he look like he is straining every sinew and giving every ounce of blood, sweat and tears to make the best of his Utd career? I would argue not. So why should we then continue to persevere with a player into his mid-20's who's return is average and who's effort is average, just because he occasionally shows glimpses of pure class?
We might scoff at Perisic's and Willian's - but they deliver! They contribute 8/10 performances as well as goals and assists to their club every week. Martial does not do this.
- Martial is 22yo
- 24 PL goals in 82 appearances
- 15 assists in 82 appearances
Now we can all argue until the cows come home about Martial's 'potential'. I for one, believe that he IS an incredibly talented player and will probably go on to do a good job for another 'second Tier' club
However, are those statistics really the statistics of a player who is good enough to nail down a starting position in a 'first Tier' club? I would say probably not. We aren't talking about a 17yo kid, where talking about someone who has just under 200 appearances for club and country
Now, in terms of attitude, does Martial really, really fight for the club when he is on the pitch? Does he look like he is straining every sinew and giving every ounce of blood, sweat and tears to make the best of his Utd career? I would argue not. So why should we then continue to persevere with a player into his mid-20's who's return is average and who's effort is average, just because he occasionally shows glimpses of pure class?
We might scoff at Perisic's and Willian's - but they deliver! They contribute 8/10 performances as well as goals and assists to their club every week. Martial does not do this.
Will you throw a party once it's done? Ffs
Play him centrally, Neymar is more likely to move away from PSG than Mbappe. And Rabiot for Martial? C'mon, there are better options on the market.
I kind of agree he's a player for a position we dont need to fill but he could also be an RVP like signing who is so good he can fit in any team.
Maybe we need the risk assessment machine from along came Polly. All variables taken into account, Sanchez was the best player for the game. Based on the law of those variables, the Occam’s razor of the situation is martial playing would have yielded a more negative result.
No choice but to leave. Give me strength! The drama. So, he spends half a season fighting for his place? Good for him.
Inaccuracies and falsehoods my a$$. He's played plenty. He's basically a first team player, has played the 12th most minutes in the team. Yes, he's lost his place to Sanchez, so fight back again. Don't just throw in the towel.
The manager came out and said that he was satisfied with his attacking options. So these links seems mostly news generating crap.
He has a contract, how can he force us to sell him if we don't want to?
I would be extremely disappointed if he left. One of the most talented youngsters in world football, and on his day can beat any defender and can finish ruthlessly. Yes he's inconsistent but I suppose that would be expected.
I get the feeling Jose just doesn't trust him. Don't ask me for evidence it's just a feeling. He's not only gone from being a first team regular to losing his place in the team, but even when he's on the pitch he's played in his second-best position. It can't be good for his confidence or development. Moreover, no matter how you spin it and how petty it sounds taking the number 9 from him and giving that shirt to a striker that would be with just for a maximum of 1-2 seasons was a stupid move. It gave the impression that Jose didn't trust him as a striker, and he valued Zlatan (a short-term fix) more.
I can see where other fans are coming from when they say a lot of the time he looks like he just can't be arsed, and tries to beat defenders with the same trick over and over again, often getting dispossessed in the process.
He'd probably benefit from a season or two on loan, but can't see that happening.
Really, really hope he manages to work things out with Jose and signs a new deal.
No doubt this news will have pricked the ears of Daniel Levy who'll send Woody a derisory offer over WhatsApp of £25 million. I hope Woody sends him the middle finger emoji and a virus. He can do much, much better than Spurs.
I get the feeling Jose just doesn't trust him. Don't ask me for evidence it's just a feeling. He's not only gone from being a first team regular to losing his place in the team, but even when he's on the pitch he's played in his second-best position. It can't be good for his confidence or development. Moreover, no matter how you spin it and how petty it sounds taking the number 9 from him and giving that shirt to a striker that would be with just for a maximum of 1-2 seasons was a stupid move. It gave the impression that Jose didn't trust him as a striker, and he valued Zlatan (a short-term fix) more.
I can see where other fans are coming from when they say a lot of the time he looks like he just can't be arsed, and tries to beat defenders with the same trick over and over again, often getting dispossessed in the process.
He'd probably benefit from a season or two on loan, but can't see that happening.
Really, really hope he manages to work things out with Jose and signs a new deal.
No doubt this news will have pricked the ears of Daniel Levy who'll send Woody a derisory offer over WhatsApp of £25 million. I hope Woody sends him the middle finger emoji and a virus. He can do much, much better than Spurs.
Yeah it's all hypothetical of course but if we're selling Martial specifically to Juve I'd expect us to enquire about Dybala or Sandro.
Shame but a certain inevitability about it once we signed Sanchez and decided he was best suited to playing on the left.
Personally, I'm not remotely convinced Lukaku and Sanchez are better for United in the long run, than had we simply continued with Martial on the left and Rashford centrally.
I do find Martial's lack of effort frustrating but his overall output this season has certainly been worth regular appearances.
Personally, I'm not remotely convinced Lukaku and Sanchez are better for United in the long run, than had we simply continued with Martial on the left and Rashford centrally.
I do find Martial's lack of effort frustrating but his overall output this season has certainly been worth regular appearances.
Okay genius, please tell me how he fights back if Mourinho won't even play him as a sub. I'm waiting!
If he was 20, maybe. At 22, he needs regular playing time. He's fought for his place once already and was rewarded with being pushed onto the right and subsequently benched to accommodate Sanchez. He can't risk another two years of barely appearing just because he's hoping to finally get a spot in the starting XI when he's 24. Even if he does like the club, I'm sure he'd rather 'do a Pogba' than stick around for those two years.
That was like 2 months ago. Things change. If he's not signing a new contract then why wouldn't we sell? We're not going to let his sale value plummet from £70M to £25M. Just get the money and bring in who Mourinho wants.
Buyback clause
Why not? It's entirely possible he loves the club and he's leaving because of Mourinho. Who knows how long Mourinho will be our manager.
Maybe they would be better in the long run, but, Jose wouldn't get a long run if he didn't have success in the short term. Look at how this season is viewed. He's up in 2nd, with as many points as to be challenging in a normal season, yet, it's being viewed as a failure by a lot of fans, because those fans want immediate success, with attractive football. There's no ability to wait and see progress from many people in this day and age. And I don't believe we'd be as far up the table as we are without Lukaku, whatever about Sanchez.