Because according to some if he leaves we will be relegated down the league. That we have improved immeasurably this season and that is all down to one Martial. That is one hell of an insult to the players who have actually worked their socks off this season.
Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay
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the same way the English media do with us and Rashford. Making out were stalling the development of their great teen hope.
All things considered, makes perfect sense. For us of course, would need approval from Martial and buying club also which is a little bit harder, but it could be done especially if he is eager to leave this summer with 2 years (1+1) on the contract.
Hope the club at least thinks in that direction.
He may not get the playing time he deserves at our club. Will be good if he stays but how can we guarantee him game time if we have to play Sanchez all the time?
Well Martial isn't happy to sit on the bench, which is why he wants out. But I've already named young players with his skill set. Lemar, Dembele, Sane all exploded onto the scene roughly when he did and play in the same position which means unearthing a similar talent within 3 years isn't unrealistic. He's not an MBappe level prospect that warrants passing up Sanchez starting over him.
Why are we comparing the opportunity cost of losing him to Ronaldo and Rooney? They were both far far better than him. Ronnie was hitting 30+ goals a season when he was 22 (almost 20 the year before) and Rooney was more complete than Martial is now when he was what, 19? These are special special players and Martials talent, whilst very high, is not THAT special or rare.
Can I ask who else is on that list?
3 names in 15 years of management should earn you a little trust or is that not how its spun?
I hate how how its portrayed as an every day thing. Even now most of the forum would sign Costa tomorrow over Lukaku
Not specifically Manchester United, they want their players in the side. The Spanish press are the same if their players aren't playing. It's amazing the Italian press aren't beating the drum for Macheda yet.
What a disaster the Sanchez signing has been so far
United were always going to find it hard keeping both Rashford and Martial happy.
Which was only made harder by the arrival of Lakaku and Sanchez.
Which was only made harder by the arrival of Lakaku and Sanchez.
You chose to read it.
Aye, it's incredible it really is. We are a miles better team than we have been for 5 years and some posters would have us sack the manager to make sure Martial remains at the club.
Barca sold Ronaldo, they were fine. Chelsea sold Robben, they were fine. Juventus sold Henry and were also… just fecking fine.
Martial might go on to be a Robben or an Henry if he does leave, or maybe just a Guiseppe Rossi, either way United will be absolutely fine without him.
Without him city won the league against us.
Griezmann wouldn't suit us. Doesn't fit in the same team with Pogba and you can't ever get the best out of both at the same time. We need a proper winger with pace. Someone like Sane. Or if we're talking about real possibilities, Leon Bailey, since he can play on both wings, gives goals, assists, and gives us that long term potential star while being ready to play now as well.
Yeah, I doubt we'd just give up on him that quickly. A lot of deals hit snags then get completed. I wouldn't bet a lot on him signing but I sort of expect it to an extent. Funny thing is there will be a lot of grumbling until they see him in the side and realize he's a great age (27) and an absolutely magical footballer. What strikes me is that he's versatile (like Sanchez) and hard working (like Sanchez) so it will make us a hard time to play against because we can drop deep a lot but those two will put sides under pressure and in a position to pounce on mistakes and break quickly.
It really isn't the case, when Martial is mentioned, he is often criticized for his lack of improvement and he isn't the media's darling, that's for Mbappé and Umtiti.
I'm starting to wonder if I'm just out of touch with the modern era. Everything that happens seems to generate a wave of emotion.
Martial is a fantastic player and he is a big part of why we've had a good season, which in any other year would have us close to a 21st title.
That being said, he's not as central to our side as Ronaldo was when we sold him, or Ruud when we sold him, or Beckham when we sold him etc.
I don't get why people are acting like the sky will fall in if Martial leaves? Because he might become a top class player elsewhere? Its not like that hasn't happened before. I mean Madrid sell world class players every year. Just look at what happened to Robben and Sneijder when they left Spain.
The reaction is weird.
Exactly. Would be interesting if Martial had played, would the result be the same or would they have been screaming that he is shit and doesn't have a football brain like they usually do when he plays.
I want him to stay, but the problem is he has to want to stay.
If he wants more playing time, then fair play. I wouldn't want him to ruin his career sitting on the United bench.
I don't see how he would get that desired playing time at other big clubs though, he would have to take a step down.
If he wants more playing time, then fair play. I wouldn't want him to ruin his career sitting on the United bench.
I don't see how he would get that desired playing time at other big clubs though, he would have to take a step down.
No, i explained the difference between Martial and Bailly, never mentioned hatred or irrational dislike you went on trying to add.
Neymar for Martial + cash? 
Yep, the thread is full of "fear" and I don't get it. Juventus sold Henry, a massive mistake in anyone's book but the sky didn't fall in, they carried on winning Championships and Henry became a top drawer forward at Arsenal.
I see the point you are trying to make but you realize that it's factually wrong. No one knows what would have happened if Sanchez wasn't a United player, the dynamic of the team could and mostly likely would have been totally different for the best or the worst.
Neymar for Martial + cash?
You do realize Neymar only plays on the left wing right?
Mbappe for martial and cash or martial for rabiot. Now we are talking.
In this case I'd say he's more concerned with his place in the national team. After being dropped for United, it is doubtful he'll make the squad for the World Cup.
According to reports, United were the one who were stalling on offering a contract. Had initial discussions in December then stopped until they resumed in March. By that point Martial was starting to become out of favour in the league and for the last two games he wasn't even picked off the bench. No wonder he didn't sign an extension.
Erm yes you did. You claimed Mourinho doesn't like young players, you had a massive fecking rant about it in fact.
Then when I mentioned Pogba and Bailly you told me that's because he bought them himself. So the only thing that is left is that Mourinho irrationally has a dislike for young players he didn't sign.
Bizarre.
Balotelli got played plenty fwiw.
I agree. Good point. It happens in other sports too. Funny thing with Martial too is that he cost 36m and his contract is running out yet we'd probably make a decent profit on him too.
I like him a lot but it's not the end of the world and I think if we sign someone Mourinho likes more now which is possible we'd end up a better side.
Would be very disappointing if he leaves. At the very least we should ensure we have some sort of buy back clause included.
Yeh it’s opinion but it’s decently accurate extrapolation. Against city you play Sanchez 10 times out of 10 because he brings more to the equation. Martial would have tracked back less, showed less desire, and left Danilo unmarked an awful lot.
Yeah. I'd keep them both as I would Rashford and Martial.
United would be fine without anyone. If we sold Pogba we'd be fine. After selling Ronaldo we were fine. So that holds true for anyone not being Sir Alex Ferguson. Some people prefer our most exciting talents staying thought, crazy as it seems.
Swap for Coman? A natural right winger with similar attributes to Martial at a similar age. I reckon Martial would suit their more direct attacking football.
Otherwise I can’t really think of many young players that would come in and be better than Tony. I’ll be fuming if we replace him with Bale or Willian or someone like that.
Otherwise I can’t really think of many young players that would come in and be better than Tony. I’ll be fuming if we replace him with Bale or Willian or someone like that.
Oh yea, Calciopoli did wonders for them
It's obviously not crazy and I'm one of those "people". I want Martial to stay, but that said, Sanchez is a better player than him and Martial hasn't really kicked on in many aspects of his game since his first season, he's far too happy on the peripherals of a game.
I'm also of the belief that he's had tonnes of chances to show off that his immense talent should be a guaranteed starter, and all too often he hasn't done it. So if he wants to leave, that's a bit shit, but he wouldn't make my current best starting 11 for Manchester United and he's 22 so…
Never said he doesnt like young players, i said that he would feck experience if it was a person. I said how same rules arent applied to young and senior players in his book just because of their age and have feck all to do with current form or skill.
There are plenty examples and thats not even including his stint at Chelsea. His version of promoting youth is a fecking list of players he gave a 3 minuted debuts for feck sake.
I was all for the Sanchez signing as I thought we were going to use him on the right as that made sense due to our lack of options there, but instead he has just played him where he was going to play Perisic, basically Mourinho wants an older player he doesn't have to coach there and is happy to have the Academy kid as the back-up and can now feck Martial off as he's just not grafty and gritty enough for our tumescent manager.
I fully expect one of these 2 to be the replacement to play on the right, more older players that he doesn't need to coach.
I fully expect one of these 2 to be the replacement to play on the right, more older players that he doesn't need to coach.
You just know that's what he'll do though, he'd be more than happy to piss away the future of the club if it meant having some short-term success to fuel his ego...
Would be an awful shame.
Don't blame him for it.
Don't blame him for it.
Mate that's not arguable, you don't know and I don't know much, that's not an opinion, it's pure fantasy. And just to highlight how wrong it is, both players were on opposite trends, Sanchez wasn't in form for Arsenal while Martial was in form for us, then Sanchez has been subpar for almost the entirety of his time with us, so it's not as if his presence created a positive dynamic. You could easily argue that Martial form would have created a positive cycle for United that would have seen us full of confidence against a City that lost 0-3 against Liverpool, but that's also fantasist.
So in the end, we only know that Sanchez played well during one half against City and that's about it.
Oh another at it ffs...
Carrick 36 replaced with Matic 28
Rooney 32 replaced with Sanchez 29
Schweinsteiger fecked right off.
Added to Pogba (25), Lukaku (24), Lindelöf (22) and Bailly (22)*. That absolutely is taking care of our future. Have you ever given any thought to what those purchases above have done for the quality and age of our squad?
What is it with you lot and your desperation for every signing to be fresh out of diapers @Hawks2008? We needed experience when sacking off the Rooney's and Carrick's, it was the right thing to do.
*ages when bought.
Henry left 7 fecking years before Calciopoli ffs @R'hllor.
What you laughing for? You said how he left and they kept winning stuff, check the dates, my memory might be off but he left them 1999. During his what 7 years at Arsenal, Juve won what 4-5 titles, 2 or 3 were taken away from them? God knows are remaining ones even legal.