they confused it with the 19/20 season?
Martial agent looking for a new club for him
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You can't use logic to justify selling a flop for 50m. If you want to sell him, you must "hate" him.
Cavani deserves being first choice. Martial should earn serious rotation. If he's caught strolling about like he cba when Cavani's rested, make Greenwood 2nd choice CF and play one of our dozen wingers instead.
If Anto has another poor season, no one will take his 13m/y salary next year. Haaland will be our only signing and the crying about DM/GK/RB commences.
Both will get chances and whoever plays well will play regularly.
Martial played most games whenever he was available, think it will be same this season too.
Cavani joined late and became our main man in the 2nd half of the season after Martial failed to deliver. I'd be very disappointed in Ole if they'll start as equals. If by both you mean Martial and Greenwood, that's fair.
Martial played almost all the time when he was available. Both will play enough games anyways, we will play many games and we have good squad to rotate attackers.
So last year in the league he had 1487 minutes as I said, and he scored every 372 minutes. Previously the poster claimed the reason that he was poor was because the managers misplayed him.. and in the one season he has been excellent it was because the manager believed him and played him. What you showed in better stats was that the manager fully trusted and believed in him last year. So from two example years where apparently the manager was good for Martial we have one good year and one crap. Believe in him all you want this year, but the issue isn't the manager believing him in, or making him feel good. Prior to that 2019/20 season his scoring record was closer to last years than his standout season.
It seems to be largely irrelevant anyway, as noone is paying Martial 180k plus 70k bonuses the way he played last year. Will probably be here until the end of his contract, as noone is spending that kind of money on him anyway, so we better hope he has seasons like 19/20
I don't know which poster said he played poorly because manager misplayed him or whatever that means, you can quote them and reply to them.
He literally had his best season in 19/20. It was a really good season from him, he was Players' Player of the Year.
It's fascinating isn't it? It's like there are loads of people here who seem determined to deny he has ever played well for us.
If he has a season like 19/20 we wouldn't have a problem getting rid of him. The question would be 'do we want to sell a 20 goal a season striker?' 'can we replace a 20 goal a season striker?'
It's a really bad idea to sell an asset when it's just performed at its worst for 6 years. If we were trying to sell Lingard at the end of last season we would be optimistic to ask for £5m. Now we're asking for £30m.
It's like you guys who are determined to sell Martial now don't understand what form is, or the basic logistics of selling players.
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Yeah I don't get this "we have been waiting for 6 years". Did they not watch 2019-20, 2015-16, 2017-18, 2018-19 seasons?
Sure, and I'm not taking that away from him but do you really think Martial is the forward to propel us to the next level? I'm just sick and tired of waiting for him to be consistent and I've seen enough of him to know hes not the player we all hoped he would become when he joined us.
And on his 19/20 season, he missed a few sitters towards the end of the season and that was enough to shatter his glass like confidence. He missed great chances against Sevilla in the semi
To me there are two things in your post. Is Martial the messiah? No. Is Martial a good squad player for a top team? Yes.
I don't really get why people are always sick and tired of not seeing things that have never been the norm. I wonder what current United fans would have thought about Ole, he never propelled the club to the next level but he was a valuable member of the squad even when he wasn't a starter.
Solksjaer always displayed an exemplary attitude and had fantastic courage and game changing bottle. Two traits Le Sulk needs to learn.
To compare the two is comical tbh.
That says a lot...
We have Sancho now and a year older Greenwood. Martial won't be first choice on the wing. You're not distinguishing Martial (bottom table) as CF and LW. Edi (top table) became first choice CF after Christmas.
| 12/29/20 | H | Wolves (11.) | 1:0 | CF | 90' | |
| 1/1/21 | H | Aston Villa (4.) | 2:1 | FA ban | ||
| 1/12/21 | A | Burnley (12.) | 0:1 | CF | 90' | |
| 1/17/21 | A | Liverpool (5.) | 0:0 | CF | 29' | |
| 1/20/21 | A | Fulham (18.) | 1:2 | CF | 1 | 90' |
| 1/27/21 | H | Sheff Utd (20.) | 1:2 | CF | 24' | |
| 1/30/21 | A | Arsenal (10.) | 0:0 | CF | 90' | |
| 2/2/21 | H | Southampton (12.) | 9:0 | CF | 1 | 45' |
| 2/6/21 | H | Everton (6.) | 3:3 | CF | 1 | 90' |
| 2/14/21 | A | West Brom (19.) | 1:1 | CF | 90' | |
| 2/21/21 | H | Newcastle (17.) | 3:1 | Muscle Injury | ||
| 2/28/21 | A | Chelsea (5.) | 0:0 | Muscle Injury | ||
| 3/3/21 | A | Crystal Palace (12.) | 0:0 | CF | 76' | |
| 3/7/21 | A | Man City (1.) | 0:2 | Knock |
| 12/29/20 | H | Wolves (11.) | 1:0 | CF | 26' | |
| 1/1/21 | H | Aston Villa (4.) | 2:1 | CF | 1 | 90' |
| 1/12/21 | A | Burnley (12.) | 0:1 | LW | 90' | |
| 1/17/21 | A | Liverpool (5.) | 0:0 | LW | 61' | |
| 1/20/21 | A | Fulham (18.) | 1:2 | LW | 85' | |
| 1/27/21 | H | Sheff Utd (20.) | 1:2 | CF | 90' | |
| 1/30/21 | A | Arsenal (10.) | 0:0 | LW | 53' | |
| 2/2/21 | H | Southampton (12.) | 9:0 | CF | 2 | 45' |
| 2/6/21 | H | Everton (6.) | 3:3 | on the bench | ||
| 2/14/21 | A | West Brom (19.) | 1:1 | LW | 66' | |
| 2/21/21 | H | Newcastle (17.) | 3:1 | CF | 70' | |
| 2/28/21 | A | Chelsea (5.) | 0:0 | CF | 11' | |
| 3/3/21 | A | Crystal Palace (12.) | 0:0 | Knock | ||
| 3/7/21 | A | Man City (1.) | 0:2 | CF | 88' |
Martial is also on very big wages, and very often injured.
His 19/20 season was very good, not world class but exactly just right for a Man United first striker. It was something to build on, and take both him and us to the next level. Then somewhere during the EL he started to miss everything and he has never been the same. Same thing for France.
His 19/20 season was very good, not world class but exactly just right for a Man United first striker. It was something to build on, and take both him and us to the next level. Then somewhere during the EL he started to miss everything and he has never been the same. Same thing for France.
So Martial played ahead of Rashford as a LW in few games. We also have year older Cavani too, lets not forget that and Greenwood is a non entity as a LW. He won't play any game as LW.
If we go with black or white version of what you posted, Martial is a first choice CF, when Cavani plays, he is first choice LW.
Some of our fans seem to really dislike our black French players and to spend loads of time making assumptions about their character and ignoring anything they've done well on the pitch in order to justify their belief that the club would be better off just getting rid.
I understand it more with Pogba, that has some basis in fact - even when the venom directed at him is well over the top - but with Martial it just seems like a vendetta.
Just saying...
Ole as a squad player always delivered, he was a completely different animal mentality wise compared to Martial. I'm fine with martial being a squad player for us, I just don't think he will deliver as he is someone who needs a run of games. Also, are you OK with having a squad player for £250k a week? Surely there's better options out there?
Man Utd set Martial transfer fee, Camavinga's agent 'pushing for deal' and Pogba update
Manchester United boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is finalising his plans ahead of the new Premier League season, but there could still be movement in and out of Old Trafford.
From dailystar.co.uk
Manchester United boss Ole Gunnar Solskjaer is finalising his plans ahead of the new Premier League season, but there could still be movement in and out of Old Trafford.
From dailystar.co.uk
What makes Ole a different animal mentally, Martial has never been given a thing, he has always had to fight for a spot at United and has always welcomed the challenge beating Rashford on more than one occasion under Mourinho. The way people talk about Martial's mentality doesn't match with what has actually happened at United and I assume that none of us know him personally either. So why are people so confident in their seemingly fantasist claims?
I am not a fan of his. But with Rashford out, there is no harm keeping him. Unless the intention is to sell him to buy another striker. I am all for squad depth.
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Tony here to stay <3
Tony here to stay <3
Cavani became our first choice CF after Jan 30th (vs Arse). Why do you think he played the full 90min in the league afterwards, with the exception of that 9:0 where he was taken off and rested? I included the games before Arsenal to show how poor Martial was and why Cavani had to step in.
Martial never played "ahead" of Rashford LW. Rash was moved to the right to accommodate Martial. What are you on about with Greenwood LW? You really don't understand Mason could come in on the right and Sancho moves left? (which is his best position) How is Martial gonna be first choice LW this season with Rashford back in Nov?
My point about Greenwood is that is that he'll have another season under his belt. 19y->20y is a big difference. Cavani's back from a good Copa and was fantastic for us after Martial's injury. There's no reason to doubt he won't have at least one more good season in him:
| Quarter-Finals 2nd leg | 4/15/21 | Granada CF (9.) | 2:0 | 1 | 60' | |
| Semi-Finals 1st Leg | 4/29/21 | AS Roma (3.) | 6:2 | 2 | 2 | 90' |
| Semi-Finals 2nd Leg | 5/6/21 | AS Roma (3.) | 3:2 | 2 | 73' | |
| Final | 5/26/21 | Villarreal (1.) | 12:11 on pens | 1 | 120' |
If Cavani playing as CF makes him first choice then Martial playing as LW makes him first choice too or lets say Ole values to play him. He could have easily played Rashford as LW, Greenwood as RW but he moved Rashford to accomodate Martial. Shows how highly he rates him.
Not sure what those tables mean or meant to say. Also no matter how you try to put it, Cavani is year older which will have impact on his performance considering his age.
You don't have to pull any games to show Martial was poor, no one argued he was even decent. It was a shit season for him all season except very few games.
Only difference is few thinks it's him back to normal and others including me argued it wasn't just a blip and he will be back to his best.
According to Simon Peach, Inter were ready to offer 50 million pounds for him. I'm sure quite a few posters wouldn't have hesitated to get rid of him for that price
What same thing for France? 1 goal in 27 apps (1200min).
Just because you're incapable of understanding why someone wouldn't rate Martial/Pogba as much as you do, doesn't mean they're racist. I'm black myself, but don't let that get in the way of enjoying the view from up there.
The tables were a response to you saying Cavani and Martial will be rotated equally. Why would that be when Cavani became our main CF after Martial was stinking it up? The tables show that happening.
Yes, Greenwood was dropped early on in the season. But let's not forget Greenwood scored 7 goals in one month at the end of the season. That's Martial's season total. In that form, Greenwood deserves to be ahead of Martial (which could still be 3rd choice when Rashford gets back and Sancho does well)
How do you not get Sancho will be big difference this season? Do you think we spent 85m for a squad player?
If you think Martial will be first choice LW instead of Rashford or Sancho, just say so, so I can stop wasting my time.
That Martial isn't a reliable goalscorer and can't be classed as some great finisher.
Stop asking "how do you not get" this that and random nonsense when I have already said Martial was shit last season and I don't think he will be as shit this season and it's not his regular season.
Also not sure what's the point of table with games played in the month of April and May when Martial was injured from March.
I didn't say Martial will be the first choice LW ffs, I said if you go by your black and white definition then he is first choice LW as Rashford was moved to RW to play Martial as LW.
You are already wasting your time by not reading the posts properly, so don't bother.
We should move him on and bring somebody else in, but I can't see him leaving this season. For the long term, we're surely just delaying the inevitable, because he hasn't shown enough in the six seasons that he's spent at the club that he has it in him to be a consistently high performer. We'll hold onto him for yet another year because we're not close to signing another top quality striker.
On another note, we've got to get better at moving players on when they don't look like working out. Mad to think that Martial has been at the club for six seasons...
On another note, we've got to get better at moving players on when they don't look like working out. Mad to think that Martial has been at the club for six seasons...
Can we lock this stupid fecking thread? Failing that, can we at least have a title change to let everyone know it's not on the cards?
He is effectively the back up to Cavani this season and will be the back up to whoever we sign next season. I have no idea why people are so keen to get rid of him when we need a squad and options off the bench.
That's not unreliable like he is for us. That's shite for France. It's not just his finishing though. He didn't get into scoring positions a lot, which is why the difference with Cavani was night and day when he came on.
Greenwood is growing and much better than Martial on the wing in recent history. You were on about some Greenwood LW nonsense when I mentioned this. Is it really that hard to think Rashford/Sancho LW and Greenwood RW? (Sancho moves to the left) when Greenwood is in that kinda form?
You keep mentioning the stat table showing Martial played LW, but refuse to acknowledge he
- drops in the hierarchy with Sancho coming in (or don't you think we bought a starter for 85m?)
- lost his starting CF spot to Cavani
Yeah I don't know what this thread is about if I'm honest. Absolutely nothing to suggest he's leaving.
What a pile of nonsense with bits and pieces.
I said Martial was shit last season and it's not his normal season, so I expect him to be rotated with Cavani. For some reason you think Martial will end up in this shit form forever.
Your table should tell you how highly Ole rates him that when he had to play Cavani as CF, he moved Martial to LW and Rashford to RW, Greenwood to the bench. He could have easily dropped Martial to the bench with Rashford as LW and Greenwood as RW, but he didn't. He still continued to play him. When that's the case, why is it impossible for Ole to rotate him with Cavani when the player Martial is competing with is Old player who works like maniac on the pitch which means he needs recovery time too with hectic schedule.
Yeah keep beating the drum and repeatedly that Martial will be a non entity while Ole rotates and plays him regularly.
Just wishful thinking from some overly angry internet users. How does one go about getting a title changed.
Yeah imagine losing your shit for saying Martial will be rotated with Cavani.