I think I saw a Sky statement that there's no truth/we're not looking to sell so hopefully this dies down a bit
Martial agent looking for a new club for him
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Bollocks.
Every fan supports the club, every fan has players they like and dislike - some fans moaned at Maguire last year for turn of pace, some moaned at McTominays ability, some moaned about James’ shooting, some moaned about Lindelofs physicality and plenty moaned about the attitude/workrate of Pogba and Martial.
Leave the insinuated racism comments out of it.
Completely agree. Too many on here playing the racist card every time someone has a perfectly valid gripe with players that just happen to be black.
I think we have to give Martial one more year.
My logic being Cavani as striker, Jadon RW, Rashford LW.
Martial filling for Rashford and Cavani especially as Rashford is injured. Greenwood filling for Jadon and Cavani. Gives us many options.
James isn’t good enough, Martial is better. No one else is ready. Should be enough game time for them all and if Martial is not in form he can sit on the bench. The other reason to keep him a season is that the market is poor until teams finances get better so we’d have to sell him cheap, keeping him another year doesn’t decrease his value due to today’s market.
My logic being Cavani as striker, Jadon RW, Rashford LW.
Martial filling for Rashford and Cavani especially as Rashford is injured. Greenwood filling for Jadon and Cavani. Gives us many options.
James isn’t good enough, Martial is better. No one else is ready. Should be enough game time for them all and if Martial is not in form he can sit on the bench. The other reason to keep him a season is that the market is poor until teams finances get better so we’d have to sell him cheap, keeping him another year doesn’t decrease his value due to today’s market.
Uhh we are not loosing anything..You're not at City, you can't just 'lose' £5m
@Hansi Fick has taken the job to drive him to Italy for the small amount of 5m.
Learning French songs and everything to make him feel good.
That makes less sense, the issue becomes if we don't sell him this year and he has another year like any of the other 5 years he has been here what would his value be? Prior to 19/20 his record, tbf from other positions at times, has always been a goal 1 in 3/5. Martial has shown one year of genuine class, people talk about the other season where he did well and was one of our "best players", but that bar seems pretty low given his actual output. The thing is we know he isn't going anywhere now, and probably for the next 3 years.
The major difference between people on here seems to be what level you think he is:
Group 1: His 19/20 was standout compared to the other seasons he was here, last year was slightly below his level but he is never going back to that 19/20 level
Group 2: His 20/21 was standout compared to the other seasons, its just that you cant compare the other seasons equally due to managers and position. He will go back to being a top class striker this year
Neither really has any evidence if we are being honest, he has only had consistency of position and manager in two seasons. One he was probably our worst attacker output and effort wise, one he was great output and effort wise.
Good post
Well the question is if Inter offered £50m, and you don't believe he can go back to 19/20 levels, he will probably worth less than that next year. We are not selling though so irrelevant
Greenwood had 10 leagues starts prior to 20/21 and Martial was coming off his best ever season. Of course Ole gave the nod to Martial.
How does Greenwood with a terrific run last season into a good preseason not downright compete with Martial who had a shit season (which is kinda his average) this time around? He literally scored Martial's season total in 1 month!
Martial will definitely see play before Rashford returns, but if he doesn't get closer to his 19/20 form, he'll just compete with Greenwood for first guy off the bench with Rashford-Cavani-Sancho starting by November.
"it's not his normal season"? I beg to differ. Top table CF, bottom LW. (16 apps & 2 goals RW not included)
| Season | Apps | G | A |
| 20/21 | 27 | 7 | 10 |
| 19/20 | 44 | 23 | 10 |
| 18/19 | 11 | 2 | 1 |
| 17/18 | 10 | 4 | 3 |
| 16/17 | 7 | 1 | 1 |
| 15/16 | 21 | 6 | 2 |
| Season | Apps | G | A |
| 20/21 | 9 | 0 | 0 |
| 19/20 | 2 | 0 | 1 |
| 18/19 | 25 | 10 | 2 |
| 17/18 | 28 | 6 | 6 |
| 16/17 | 31 | 7 | 8 |
| 15/16 | 24 | 9 | 8 |
Instead of taking the games, check the mins and then do the math.
Ole played Martial in Jan/Feb when he was having poor season, it has nothing to do with 2019-20 season. Greenwood will compete with Sancho for RW position, Martial will be competing with Cavani for CF position and then as LW when needed.
You forgot to title your posts with some variation of "nonsense" this time.
So did Martial score more goals doing it like this, or what exactly were you expecting to find? Enlighten us.
| Season | min | G | A | min/goal | min/GA |
| 20/21 | 2422 | 7 | 9* | 346 | 151 |
| 19/20 | 3566 | 23 | 12 | 155 | 142 |
| 18/19 | 2327 | 12 | 3 | 193 | 155 |
| 17/18 | 2337 | 11 | 9 | 212 | 166 |
| 16/17 | 2517 | 8 | 8 | 314 | 157 |
| 15/16 | 4128 | 17 | 9 | 242 | 158 |
*must have included a France assist by accident in previous tables.
When you stop the usual "How can you not get it" nonsense, you won't get replies in the same tone.
It's easy why mins tells us more than just going with "appearances". Martial was a sub close to 50% of the time he was at ManUtd. So using games played is not a fair indicator, same for Rashford too.
Your table is wrong btw, at least 2019-20 and 2017-18. He averages 101 and 116 mins per G+A in that season.
So on an average, he gets Goal or assist every 135 mins (His ManUtd average) which is 1.5 games. That's much better than using 'Appearances' stats which skewed stats and made it look much worse. So tell us how a player who gets you a goal or assist every 1.5 game isn't good enough.
It's not like he is stat padding by beating shit out of some small team in cup games, he averages same in PL too.
Genuine question. He didn't have a great season but was he even that bad?
PL stats: 1.487 mins (i.e 16.5 full 90min games) played with 10 goal involvements (4G+6A)
If he had those stats from a full season, I'd get the unrest (although still find it weird so many want him sold) but he played way less than I think people realise.
PL stats: 1.487 mins (i.e 16.5 full 90min games) played with 10 goal involvements (4G+6A)
If he had those stats from a full season, I'd get the unrest (although still find it weird so many want him sold) but he played way less than I think people realise.
IMO his worst season. After the great season he had, I expected him to be much better.
Also I think there is some mistake in the transfermarkt site, the table says he had 6 assists but their breakdown shows only 3 assists. So that's 7 goal involvements with 4 of them coming in 2 games (vs Leeds and Southampton) or 6 goal involvements in 3 games (Sheffield United). So all season in rest of the games he had only 1 goal involvement.
Anyways it was poor season and it was a blip. I'm confident that he will be a huge player for us this season.
Apparently Martial is French and likes this kind of stuff. He is a moody bugger so @Hansi Fick will do what is necessary to make Martial feel good on the way.
FYI I think it credits him for penalties he wins but doesn't take, which is fair for me. Of course no doubt he could/should have done better but just reading how many people want to sell him seems so at odds with actually how he's performed.
He's essentially played 71 games at CF for us over two seasons, scored 30 and assisted 19. It's not top level but he's 25 and they aren't awful numbers, especially when you think we didn't really have any strikers scoring freely last season.
Yeah no point selling him when we can't get a good replacement.
We have Cavani and Greenwood, so it would be better to spend Martial money on a midfielder.
If player sales are required to go towards a CDM then it's a no brainer. We know his work ethic and off the ball movement will never be at the required level, he's still a great player but he's lost that lightning fast dribbling spark he used to have, I think the club could comfortably get away with selling him this summer. The only risk is an early injury to Cavani before Rashford's back, even if that were to happen, Greenwood can be trusted as striker. Now the club's philosophy has switched to signing and promoting gifted youth players, they need game time and the trust to fill in as back up.
ST Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford (When fit)
LW Rashford (When fit), Sancho, Elanga, Mejbri, James (I guess)
RW Sancho, Greenwood, Amad
Looks good enough to me.
ST Cavani, Greenwood, Rashford (When fit)
LW Rashford (When fit), Sancho, Elanga, Mejbri, James (I guess)
RW Sancho, Greenwood, Amad
Looks good enough to me.
Greenwood played well as RW, I don't think he will be a CF, at least he won't be this season. He is much more dangerous facing the goal than back to the goal.
I might actually clandestinely make a stop before the Alps and drop him off at Säbener Straße in München, as I think he's a good player and absolutely wouldn't mind having him as a backup attacking option instead of, err, Eric-Maxim Choupo-Moting.
You forgot about Pogba. He may be well ahead of Rashford as an LW.
Can't believe people still mention Rashford as a striker option.
I think it's the striker position where we might be light. Rashford definitely struggles there against teams that sit deep. Hopefully Greenwood will develop into that role quickly but we could struggle if Cavani is out and we have no Martial.
Jesus.
Cavani is fast approaching 35, he hasn't even returned for training from Uruguay and at best he'll be ready for participating against Wolves on the 29th.
Rashford is likely to miss the first two months of the season, might not even play until mid october.
Greenwood has never consistently played up front for us, and apart from at the end of last season he was poor, yet we can trust him as a striker from the start of the season. There's absolutely nothing that suggests it's a good idea.
There's nothing, whatsoever, that suggests Mejbri, Elanga and Amad are ready for this level. Hopefully they'll get plenty of chances in the league cup / early fa cup and we build from that.
Where I will agree is that I don't think Greenwood is a CF, and he hasn't looked like he can play there yet at any stage, and maybe never will from what we have seen.
Facts are that Martial is now staying it seems, and we will take the chance on him coming good. Noone out there could likely afford him anyway, or certainly his wages, if last year turns out to be the standard and he shows a lack of motivation we will keep him until 2024 because no-one will want to pay his wages. If he comes even a little bit good we might at least be able to shift him for 25-30m if we think we can get Haaland or another striker.
Facts are that Martial is now staying it seems, and we will take the chance on him coming good. Noone out there could likely afford him anyway, or certainly his wages, if last year turns out to be the standard and he shows a lack of motivation we will keep him until 2024 because no-one will want to pay his wages. If he comes even a little bit good we might at least be able to shift him for 25-30m if we think we can get Haaland or another striker.
Amad is ready - he plays for his national team and he already showed glimpses of his talent for Man Utd.
Yeah, He did poorly as CF, he can't play in that position but somehow few think he is better CF than Martial.
How on earth is Amad ready to consistently play in the Premier League? He didn't even stand out in the Olympics
He perhaps is not ready to get into our best starting XI, but at the very least he is ready to get all the minutes that James was receiving earlier - it will help him further develop.
James had 26 appearances in the 20/21 season, around 1521 mins, there's nothing that suggests Amad is ready for that.
There is a lot that suggests that James himself is not good enough for that. We need to discontinue playing average players if we want to challenge for big things
Hardly changes the fact that Amad doesn't look ready.
With the signing of Sancho, we'll see far less of James.
A realistic view on things is that Amad and Mejbri will be given chances in the league cup, early fa cup, a few appearances in various league matches depending on score/situation, and hopefully they can feature more for the first team in the 21/22 season. Maybe one of them will be impressive enough to warrant more time this season, but that would be a positive surprise and not something to expect
Getting rid of first team players in positions where we're light, and hoping that Amad is ready when called upon, is a fairly daft idea if we want to challenge for anything..
Good thing he is in a good mood after all you're French singing. Then he won't mind either.
saw reports this morning that Inter were going to offer 50m for Martial once the Lukaku deal was done but Ole wasn't going to sign off on it
I definitely would agree to that
Great stuff. Sorry for coming across a little argumentative but I'm constantly seeing people pushing false narratives about Martial and have grown a little tired of it. I see now that we're on the same page regarding any potential transfer even if we disagree on the player himself.
I agree. It begins with the media and pundits like Gary Neville and Souness. Rashford and Lingard have been at the end of this as well despite being Brits and academy players who are often fiercely protected on here generally (look at McTominay).
I'm not saying these players are above criticism, but you can definitely see a difference in the very worst criticisms they receive (and the frequency of it) and calls for them to be sold while showing signs of acute amnesia when it comes to discussing their positive contributions on the pitch
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