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Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Using the website used for those stats, Evra & Rafael both had > 7 in ratings. Whatever way they calculate their stats, seeing that, allied with the fact Fellaini is above Kompany in the ratings, amongst others. No, just, no.
Because you cannot live in a world where Kompany is overrated defender? All the poor games he has, all the mistakes, they are all irrelevant because he is called Kompany and plays for City?
Kompany is a top notch defender. He makes mistakes, as do many other players, but he does a whole pile of right too. Fellaini on the other hand, makes mistake after mistake, and doesn't do a lot right, and that which he does is just a simple ball here and there. I live in a world where I base players abilities and performances on what I see <edit, wrote read initially>, not on arbitrary numbers I see on some website. And from what I have seen this season, Kompany was far, far better than Fellaini.
I have one question. Do you think Fellaini performed better than Kompany this season?
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Stats are a bit pointless, really. Not completely, but a bit. In my opinion.
That said, they can sometimes be used to counter positively erroneous impressions of how a given player performed on the day - if you have it in for someone (both Cleverley and Fellaini strike me as players many simply don't care for), you tend to forget about everything they did beyond those moments which confirmed your own prejudice. It's human nature, as they say.
Fellaini wasn't good. But who was? De Gea, to an extent Rooney, Adnan should get a mention too - but the team as a whole were horribly under par. And Fellaini got zero credit - from many of our fans - for whatever he did which wasn't shite.
That said, they can sometimes be used to counter positively erroneous impressions of how a given player performed on the day - if you have it in for someone (both Cleverley and Fellaini strike me as players many simply don't care for), you tend to forget about everything they did beyond those moments which confirmed your own prejudice. It's human nature, as they say.
Fellaini wasn't good. But who was? De Gea, to an extent Rooney, Adnan should get a mention too - but the team as a whole were horribly under par. And Fellaini got zero credit - from many of our fans - for whatever he did which wasn't shite.
I agree, see it very often, not just during talk about United and football either
Any answer to my question? Do you think Kompany had a better season, in all honesty, than Fellaini? To an extent I agree with the post you're agreeing with here (too lazy to re-quote) but maybe there is a reason that people don't care for those 2, simply that they're not up to scratch as first team regulars for United. Ince, Keane, Robson, Scholes ... that is the quality of midfielder we should aspire to.
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YAY!!!!! good think is he is usually performs for Belgium so he should get some interest.
I doubt it's true, plus it would be completely ridiculous to sell him at this stage.
It could end up being a similar situation to to Andy Carroll at Liverpool. Forget what Moyes hilariously paid for him and just get rid.
12.5 million is probably a fair price, for a club that's desperate we might get 15m if we are lucky
Anything in the vicinity of 15 m I think we should pull the trigger.
People have been doing their nut in over paying 4m extra for him. Losing anywhere up to 75% (as some would get rid that badly) on that fee by selling him now seems to be an even dumber move. But I can't keep track of what fans want anymore, it's become ridiculous.
So we should keep him and watch his value fall further? If he isn't part of LvG's plans what is the point in keeping him?
A loan move to a team that can justify using him how he needs to be used would be a happy medium, sell him next summer.
Excellent news providing we bring in some players to replace him. He's naff but still a squad player and can fill a gap. Sure big Sam or Arry will be interested at 12-15 mil.
Well, it's merely speculation at this point. I can't see LVG not trying him somewhere at least.
Of course it's speculation but you speculated that if it's true it's totally ridiculous to sell him. I'm speculating that if it's true it's not ridiculous at all and we are best off cashing in now rather than letting his value slide further by rotting out of favour.
I won't be surprised if VG wants to get rid off him. Fellaini simply doesn't have what it takes to make it at a top club
I would guess that LVG is quite familiar with Fellaini, what he can and can't do, and wants shut.
I hope if he goes he gets in somewhere that suits him. We were the wrong club at the wrong time and his transfer fee, hardly his fault, hasn't helped him. He can do a certain job well, as he did at Everton, and he's had a torrid time with us and almost come to epitomise the Moyes reign. He seems a quiet and decent sort of bloke (off the pitch anyway) so good luck to him. Surely a big chance that he'll end up with Moyes again somewhere?
I hope if he goes he gets in somewhere that suits him. We were the wrong club at the wrong time and his transfer fee, hardly his fault, hasn't helped him. He can do a certain job well, as he did at Everton, and he's had a torrid time with us and almost come to epitomise the Moyes reign. He seems a quiet and decent sort of bloke (off the pitch anyway) so good luck to him. Surely a big chance that he'll end up with Moyes again somewhere?
I do wonder that if we go for Strootman in the summer, until he is fit (october-November by all counts) Felaini keeps his place on the pitch warm. Despite his often poor performances for us, he's often selected in central midfield for Belguim ahead of some decent competition (Dembele as example).
He plays a more attacking and free role for them though, not too much reliance on him defensively. We have much better players in attacking positions for him so he just doesn't fit in, at all, because he isn't a good defensive midfielder. It's always been the case with him.
He's never been worth any more than that at any point.
How on earth Moyes convinced WooWar to have our trousers down for 27.5 million is beyond me.
What we paid for him shouldn't influence our decision to sell or keep him- it's a sunk cost.
Isn't he the most withdrawn in a midfield three of Winstel and Defour? Or is Defour the anchor most of the time?
I've only seen them a handful of times but he's always supporting attacking positions and playing as the advanced one of the three, at least whenever I see them. A belgian poster could obviously give a better opinion, but that's what it seems like to me when I see him. The Belgian manager also did say that we were using him wrong this season in restricting him as a defensive midfielder or whatever.
He's just not very good I think.
He's useless
When choosing a Belgium team Dembele should be 1st midfielder on the team sheet.
He should be getting in ahead of Fellaini I agree. Witsel and Defour are very good for Belgium though and deserve their starting roles.
I commend you for saying this. What influences whether we keep him or sell him is his performances for us and how well he can fit into van Gaal's setup.
If Czech Republic had Fellaini during the Nedved era, how would Fellaini fair playing the Koller role? Big man surrounded by all the skillful technical creative players. It is not that uncommon even for the best teams to have that different type of player to go with the skill, flair and technical stuff.
I reckon van Gaal will use him. He's better than some of these Dutch players that we're linked with.
Not going to happen IMO. Papers are getting lazier by the week. Thank goodness the WC is about to start in order to give them something else to write about aside from this crap.
Said it before, I cant think of a worse year to sign for this team. That aside was mostly injured for the first part of the season. Not sure whats Utd quality at present given only DDG came out of the season with any credit.
With regard to the figure (whether you consider him Utd quality or not) Everton paid around 15m for him in 2008, are people realistically suggesting he's worth less than they paid for him? He's been consistently one of their best players each year. He's absolutely terrorized us nearly every game he's played against us. He's got international quality and been a significant contributor to Belgium qualifying for WC.
If he's not worth 27m, it wouldn't be far of that in today's market....Also we haven't signed anyone as yet, and there is no guarantees that we'll sign anyone of his experience or PL experience. Give the lad a chance and make a judgement when he's played some games under a decent manager who knows what he's doing.....
Said it before, I cant think of a worse year to sign for this team. That aside was mostly injured for the first part of the season. Not sure whats Utd quality at present given only DDG came out of the season with any credit.
With regard to the figure (whether you consider him Utd quality or not) Everton paid around 15m for him in 2008, are people realistically suggesting he's worth less than they paid for him? He's been consistently one of their best players each year. He's absolutely terrorized us nearly every game he's played against us. He's got international quality and been a significant contributor to Belgium qualifying for WC.
If he's not worth 27m, it wouldn't be far of that in today's market....Also we haven't signed anyone as yet, and there is no guarantees that we'll sign anyone of his experience or PL experience. Give the lad a chance and make a judgement when he's played some games under a decent manager who knows what he's doing.....
Whether LVG is not going to use him is speculation at this point. The facts are that plonkers on the caf have gone off their onion over the 4m that we 'overpaid needlessly' for. Standing to lose half of the entire fee if we sold him in this window is ridiculous and anyone advocating that has rocks in their heads. He'd be much better served playing through the life of his contract than to cut and run at this point in time. If we recovered nearly the entire fee for him then fair fecks and we move on.
In reality away from the lunacy of the Caf, he's not that bad a player and deserves a second chance. Certainly not so bad that he should be scratched from the side at a heavy loss. I don't think any player is really worth that to a club like United. You'd have to go back to Veron to really see the last player that we didn't fully give a chance to, even then we recovered a fair amount of the fee.
I disagree completely. Your logic is flawed.
We "overpaid by £4m" which firstly is incorrect. Because Moyes dithered and fecked around we overpaid by about £10m instead of over paying by £6m.
Now we can either have a player that is never going to make it here sitting on the payroll with his value dwindling away further or we can be proactive and cut our losses and get the inevitable over and done with and recoup some of the fee back. Just like we should have done with Anderson 4 or 5 years ago.
The guy is absolute garbage and doesn't have a future here. £15m back would be great business for us. The damage was done last summer, it's recovery time.
15 million is about what Fellaini playing at his very, very best is worth. Fellaini playing at his very, very best is not the calibre of player that United should be aiming for, so even at his best, he shouldn't be making the team. Thus, if we manage to get an offer of 15 million for him, we should absolutely snatch it and run.
I completely disagree that those of us who believe this have rocks in our heads. In my opinion sitting with an average player on our bench, earning God knows how much per week (anyone know?) while depreciating in value is terrible business sense. Sell him while we can, don't pay him so that he can play in unimportant games and then leave on a free. That is rocks in their heads thinking, in my opinion.
I really should have read this reply before writing my own, because this is quite simply spot on.
[in the voice of Clarkson] Some say his chest control is worth 10 mil alone...
$Xm, I don't really care how much. The point is that some fans have done their nut in over that particular tidbit about his transfer but are happy to essentially throw away what he is worth to move him on and make a heavy loss? How is that flawed logic, seems pretty stupid to just throw away money like that. (Logically speaking of course, like I have said, it's not my money so I don't really care what happens).
If he sells for a reasonable amount near his actual fee and we recoup then that's fine. No harm done I guess.
Players aren't a black and white trade resource like that. This club is notorious for showing loyalty to players in certain situations. There is a whole strong of players in the last 10 years to support that, which is why cutting a loss isn't in the United playbook, which is also why I can't perceive it as the logical thing to do for the club. But that is my opinion and we can disagree, of course.
The revenue the club makes has to be considered when talking logically about the financial situation. They are operating within their means, so keeping certain contracts makes no difference to the club. If it is the difference between a player being paid 100k a week and being removed for a 200k a week player then speculatively speaking; I don't see the club making that kind of gamble (aligned with my description above of not in the United playbook). It has somewhat of a wage structure still in place in terms of loyalty. Or so it seems anyway.
Says some bloke on a forum. Logically speaking just writing off a 15m dollar loss or staying loyal to a signing through the life of his contract is a dice roll that we won't be making. I know which is the better option. 'Its recovery time', or 'loyalty to the player' to turn it around because 'he's so shit' that the only way to go from here is up? Isn't it?..
He could stay or he could be sold, no sweat of my sack but I just can't sit here and ingest that throwing away a large amount of money is great business. It makes no sense at all to me.
edit: We above as in, 'we; the common fan'.
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