Fair enough. You wouldn't be in a minority with that opinion either.
Personally, I'm hoping he has a brilliant WC and comes back fit and full of confidence. In that scenario I think he might yet prove good enough for United. I appreciate it's a long shot though.
Fellaini was never rated in world football as a top player. You think he stayed at Everton for 5/6 years out of loyalty? I very much doubt that. No big team ever made a serious attempt to sign him until Moyes joined a big team which is just laughable when you think about it. The fact that we paid just under 30 million for him when Strootman was available for half of that in the summer transfer window is borderline footballing insanity.
Both players were signed by different managers. Only time Fellaini was seriously sought after by a big club is when his own manager signed him a few months after joining Man Utd. Anyone with a decent eye for talent could see he was a mediocre player at best who was never good enough for a big club.That's terrible logic really. Gary Cahill was at Bolton for four years before Chelsea signed him. Does that make their interest laughable? Santi Cazorla was back and forth between Villareal and Recreativo for eight years before he joined Malaga (and he was at least a couple of years older at the time than Fellaini is now).
That's just two examples off the top of my head. Bound to be loads more top players with similar cv's.
Fellaini was never rated in world football as a top player. You think he stayed at Everton for 5/6 years out of loyalty? I very much doubt that. No big team ever made a serious attempt to sign him until Moyes joined a big team which is just laughable when you think about it. The fact that we paid just under 30 million for him when Strootman was available for half of that in the summer transfer window is borderline footballing insanity.
He will never be a United player, we owe him nothing. His lack of technical ability is cringeworthy to watch. This charlatan blagged his way into the club through the trainee manager we had last summer and we need to get rid to West Ham or somewhere as soon as possible. My worry is that LvG is such a egotist he will genuinely believe he can make Fellaini resemble a United level footballer, which we all know is not possible given how utterly inept he is at every aspect of the sport that does not involve his elbows.
That's a very harsh assessment. Plenty of players have had a worst first season for major club. Fellaini attracts a lot of criticism because of his price tag. If he was a £8 signing would you still say the same?
Both players were signed by different managers. Only time Fellaini was seriously sought after by a big club is when his own manager signed him a few months after joining Man Utd. Anyone with a decent eye for talent could see he was a mediocre player at best who was never good enough for a big club.
I believe you're choosing to take what you want out of his point to be fair. He also mentions that anyone with a decent eye for talent could see he was a mediocre player at best. So I don't really think you can state that it's the fact he followed his previous manager that bothered him, having read the same post I didn't come to that conclusion at all. I read it exactly as stated - any half decent manager realises that Fellaini isn't good enough for the club. Thus a) Fellaini isn't good enough and b) Moyes should have known this and not signed him.So it's the fact he followed his previous manager to a big club that bothers you?
You mean, like when Mourinho signed Ricardo Carvalho for Chelsea after spending the previous 7 years with Porto? Does that mean he was a crap player?
There's plenty of reasons to have a pop at Fellaini but the line of reasoning you're using here is just nonsense.
I believe you're choosing to take what you want out of his point to be fair. He also mentions that anyone with a decent eye for talent could see he was a mediocre player at best. So I don't really think you can state that it's the fact he followed his previous manager that bothered him, having read the same post I didn't come to that conclusion at all. I read it exactly as stated - any half decent manager realises that Fellaini isn't good enough for the club. Thus a) Fellaini isn't good enough and b) Moyes should have known this and not signed him.
I don't think it's particularly lame evidence to be honest. I also don't think he's using it as evidence in the slightest.He's using the facts that:
a) Fellaini stayed at Everton for several years
b) United were (allegedly) the first big club to express an interest
c) He got his big break when a former manager signed him
...as evidence to support his opinion that Fellaini is crap.
He's entitled to the opinion but that's really lame evidence to use to back it up.
Again you're making random assertions based on reading what you want to into one post. Firstly, Mata has been signed by a top club already, prior to playing for us.Well if the clammy hand of David Moyes is reason enough to write off a new signing then Juan Mata is also tainted by association.
Fellaini season review:
Got a few more to make before the World Cup...
Exactly, anyone that deserved stick, got stick. One of the other equally puzzling ones was Wayne Rooney who carried us through the first part of the season. How much 'title winner' credit must these guys have saved up to hide them from the fact that a lot of them had awful seasons? I think if LVG comes in and gives them all a clean slate from a new page there are a few in there that need to be moved on. This doesn't include Fellaini or Mata. There are still some players in our squad who are stealing first team opportunities and not using up their 'title winner credit'. I think that is having an effect on the efficiency of the squad as a whole.Who are they, then?
I would struggle to think of any United player other than De Gea that didn't get stick in the season just gone. Some more than others but mainly on the basis of this season's form, rather than how they've played in previous seasons.
Equally, Fellaini never had the opportunity to show "quality in a title-winning season" so it's a little unfair to hold that against him, isn't it?
The guy is ok. He's not United quality. If that makes me a hater, then, I guess I'm a hater.Thanks MoneyMay, very nice compilation of the ups and downs. Some good there for people to watch and if they can't see at least something in his game then they're just out and out closed minded and hating.
I don't think it's particularly lame evidence to be honest. I also don't think he's using it as evidence in the slightest.
You think he stayed at Everton for 5/6 years out of loyalty? I very much doubt that. No big team ever made a serious attempt to sign him until Moyes joined a big team which is just laughable when you think about it.
Both players were signed by different managers. Only time Fellaini was seriously sought after by a big club is when his own manager signed him a few months after joining Man Utd.
Yep, he's using it to support his argument. You're of the opinion it's not valid, I'm of a differing opinion. I think it's perfectly valid to question why no manager of a top club thought he was worth signing, other than Moyes, who wasn't exactly a roaring success here. He mentions that anyone with an eye for talent can see he's not good enough, in my opinion, that is his evidence. Watching Fellaini play. He simply questioned why no other managers thought him worth signing as something to support his argument, as you said. Not as his argument / evidence. That's my interpretation of his posts anyway.Did you even read the posts?
Of course he's using it to support his argument. He might well be right that Fellaini's not good enough but the fact he stayed at a club like Everton for 5 years - by which point he was 25 - and was then signed by his ex-manager doesn't mean that he's not good enough for a top club. Not at all.
Well, that makes a lot more sense then.And no. I didn't read his posts at all. I'm simply making deductions out of thin air. Christ.
It means feck all, most supporters even in here are demonstrating they don't have a clue.I've said it before and I'll say it again, the most damning thing about Fellaini is how little good that even his supporters can say about him.
Even when he played in the hole against Hull we didn't even do that. We played around him as though he was just another footballer, floor, chest, head. All round. The 'shit on the stick' tag continues to fester strong in the eyes of the fans.I'm not saying Fellaini is shit, and I'm not saying he can't get better but can someone honestly say what Fellaini is meant to offer us. Because I don't think anyone on redcafe wanted to buy a 6'4 player to lump balls at in the hole, or a DM who is purely a destroyer and has a limited range of passing and mobility.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the most damning thing about Fellaini is how little good that even his supporters can say about him. At least with Anderson who polarised opinion you can at least say that he's got a good range of passing, an eye for the killer pass and has pace and can carry the ball. All Fellain's fans can say is that he played well in a handful of games against mediocre opposition and that he has good chest control. That video had his season highlights - he literally didn't pass the ball more than 10 yards and didn't create any chances except for knockdowns with his head.
I'm not saying Fellaini is shit, and I'm not saying he can't get better but can someone honestly say what Fellaini is meant to offer us. Because I don't think anyone on redcafe wanted to buy a 6'4 player to lump balls at in the hole, or a DM who is purely a destroyer and has a limited range of passing and mobility.
What games do you lot watch???. For a player apparently lacking in mobility he consistently when he played ended up in the top 2 of our players in distance covered in games and in the top 2 of completed passes. Also in the top 2 of passes in a game. By the way the overwhelming majority of his passes are on the deck, he rarely lofts the ball and also plays a lot of 1 or 2 touch passes. That doesnt happen with players lacking mobility. Its a bizarre thing thats repeated in here. I wonder if one person said it and then everyone else just parrots it.
Ok, that i understand.Maybe 'mobility' is the wrong word to use.
He definitely lacks agility, has a poor turning circle, and lacks speed of thought.
I actually think he's not bad on the ball. The major problem is that it takes him longer to play a simple pass than it takes some top midfielders to complete an exceptional pass. At times he looks laboured (or at least uncomfortable) just bringing the ball down and popping it five yards. By the time he'd think things through and execute a clever through ball, he'd be tackled.
You can almost see his brain ticking sometimes when he's doing the most simple of things.
Even when he played in the hole against Hull we didn't even do that. We played around him as though he was just another footballer, floor, chest, head. All round. The 'shit on the stick' tag continues to fester strong in the eyes of the fans.
It means feck all, most supporters even in here are demonstrating they don't have a clue.
Even when he played in the hole against Hull we didn't even do that. We played around him as though he was just another footballer, floor, chest, head. All round. The 'shit on the stick' tag continues to fester strong in the eyes of the fans.
What games do you lot watch???. For a player apparently lacking in mobility he consistently when he played ended up in the top 2 of our players in distance covered in games and in the top 2 of completed passes. Also in the top 2 of passes in a game. By the way the overwhelming majority of his passes are on the deck, he rarely lofts the ball and also plays a lot of 1 or 2 touch passes. That doesnt happen with players lacking mobility. Its a bizarre thing thats repeated in here. I wonder if one person said it and then everyone else just parrots it.
Good points.He's not very quick over the first five yards due to his height, doesn't really have the ability to drop a shoulder (although to be fair, he does occasionally wriggle out of trouble) and also has a very laboured running style. He covers a lot of ground, but it's detrimental to his performance, particularly playing as a b2b midfielder purely because he doesn't have the pace to get goalside again when coming back from an attack.
Fellaini. He's not a number 10.Number 10s at the club: Rooney, Mata, Kagawa, Fellaini - spot the odd one out
Thanks for clarifying my point. I'm aware that players peak at different stages in their career, some players sometimes turn from mediocre to great in the latter stages of their career but Fellaini showed no sign that he was ever good enough to play for Manchester utd. The fact that Fellaini was given his first big break at a big club by his previous manager is quite telling, especially when that same manager was sacked for his own incompetence throughout the season. Personally i think Moyes saw Fellaini as a safety blanket that he had to bring with him from Everton. He would still be at Everton right now had Moyes decided against signing the Belgian because i seriously doubt any top club would ever consider him as a serious option.Yep, he's using it to support his argument. You're of the opinion it's not valid, I'm of a differing opinion. I think it's perfectly valid to question why no manager of a top club thought he was worth signing, other than Moyes, who wasn't exactly a roaring success here. He mentions that anyone with an eye for talent can see he's not good enough, in my opinion, that is his evidence. Watching Fellaini play. He simply questioned why no other managers thought him worth signing as something to support his argument, as you said. Not as his argument / evidence. That's my interpretation of his posts anyway.
And no. I didn't read his posts at all. I'm simply making deductions out of thin air. Christ.
The potential is there. He played in midfield at Everton, people forget, when Cahill was still playing off the front and he was playing damn well in midfield. I haven't the faintest why he was so poor this season. Perhaps the injury affected him mentally more than we know or perhaps the pressure of playing for United was too great for him but 3/4 of a season, playing for a shit team, is too soon to write him off.
.....added to the fact that he had a release clause that made him gettable, amongst all the PL players he was the easiest to sign but as you said it was his manager, who was unproven at this stage, that thought him adequate for us .Thanks for clarifying my point. I'm aware that players peak at different stages in their career, some players sometimes turn from mediocre to great in the latter stages of their career but Fellaini showed no sign that he was ever good enough to play for Manchester utd. The fact that Fellaini was given his first big break at a big club by his previous manager is quite telling, especially when that same manager was sacked for his own incompetence throughout the season. Personally i think Moyes saw Fellaini as a safety blanket that he had to bring with him from Everton. He would still be at Everton right now had Moyes decided against signing the Belgian because i seriously doubt any top club would ever consider him as a serious option.
When you measured his intelligence what method did you use?I don't think his intelligent enough for a manager like Van Gaal. Hope he has a good world cup so we can at least flop out.
