Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances

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As I've said many times, I don't 'read' football, I watch it, then I say what I see. I couldn't care less if Belgium play him, based on what I have seen watching him this season, they are mad to do so. I can't physically watch someone turning in terrible performances with my own two eyes, but then say that because Belgium pick him, I actually think he is good.

You couldn't care less for logic? It is logical to assume if Belgium play him then he is not league 2 to standard.

This is his debut, the league 2 standard terrible performances:



I wouldn't expect a League 1 or 2 midfielder to have looked a much worse footballer that Fellaini has for us this season, that is my observation from watching him. Some may say they have seen him play better before, that would be a different argument. Based on what I've seen this season, he is a very poor footballer.

So he could be league 1 now? Seems as though Fellaini's standard has just improved in the time it took to write one post. He surely can't be that bad then? By the time you post next he'll be championship standard!
 
I honestly feel the tactical change by Moyes to try and get Fellaini further up the field has made him less effective and has somehow regressed his play. The guy was doing ok before that and now he is struggling.
 
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/18/marouane-fellaini-superb-in-a-deep-lying-role-for-everton/

A while ago perhaps, but shows he can do it and I have no doubt he can do it again after he is given time to settle.

Also Fellaini has been voted MOTM for us on here and received high praise for some DM performances already this season:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-everton-h.380225/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-wba-a.386162/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-crystal-palace-a.385306/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-real-sociedad.379158/

That zonal marking piece is very encouraging (and I'm speaking as someone who's all but given up on him) It backs up what one of the Evertonian caftards said about him being really good in that season in a holding position.

It's weird to read about him being such a tough tackler too. I also remember this being pointed out before (along with stats about his tackle rate) but he's not looked like that at all for United. Everything he does is so inhibited (apart from the elbows, that is!) Can't even think of one occasion where he really committed to a tackle and crunched someone to win the ball.

It seems to me that his biggest problem is between his ears. When we're playing cannon fodder he can relax and do his thing but on the big occasions, he completely falls to pieces. This is something else which is radically different to his Everton days, when he seemed to up his game against teams like United.

I still hope that there's a good player in there somewhere. I'm certain he's a better player than he's shown for us so far but less confident he can find the mental strength and self belief to prove it. Obviously, this is more likely in a season where the team isn't in a tail-spin and he's getting both barrels from everyone as the talisman of our (alegedely) incompetent manager. Interesting that he's picked his game up a little bit after we signed Mata. Might be the best thing for him, if we sign a few other big money signings and let him get his shit together when the team as a whole is playing better and he's not under quite as much scrutiny. Time will tell anyway.
 
I still have hope he'll come good. I remember often being impressed by his speed of thought on the ball at Everton. You need that to play in the hole as it's an area of the pitch that gets crowded quickly. Granted he's been rubbish so far and looks horribly out of place. But I just hope it's a case of him needing some confidence to feel he belongs at this level.
 
Didn't travel with the squad for the bayern game, injured apparently.

Good news for us.

Did Young? My confidence in United has risen about 10% since this news. Might go up another 10% if Young's out as well. Still only at 22% confident that United can progress mind.
 
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/18/marouane-fellaini-superb-in-a-deep-lying-role-for-everton/

A while ago perhaps, but shows he can do it and I have no doubt he can do it again after he is given time to settle.

Also Fellaini has been voted MOTM for us on here and received high praise for some DM performances already this season:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-everton-h.380225/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-wba-a.386162/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-crystal-palace-a.385306/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-real-sociedad.379158/

High praise from who? Wow, so it must be true. Don't know what games you were watching, but we lost against Everton at home where he was ineffective and second best. WBA, Palace, Sociedad were all poor opposition. How did he do against City, Liverpool or in games that really mattered??? Let's face it, Fellaini is a useless liability in our midfield and is no improvement on what we already have. Stop deluding yourself.
 
You couldn't care less for logic? It is logical to assume if Belgium play him then he is not league 2 to standard.

This is his debut, the league 2 standard terrible performances:





So he could be league 1 now? Seems as though Fellaini's standard has just improved in the time it took to write one post. He surely can't be that bad then? By the time you post next he'll be championship standard!


Belgium picking him doesn't make it 'logical' to do so. Neither is it logical for us to play Ashley Young. It is not logical, in my view, for Marc Wilmots (Belgian coach) to have watched Fellaini this season and decide that he has played well and should firstly go, and secondly start in the World Cup. Therefore, if that is indeed what happens, it does not mean that it is the logical thing to do, given he has been terrible all season.

Secondly, I don't know what that Youtube video was supposed to prove. I compared his ability to a League 2 professional footballer, not a Paralympian. A video that predominatly showcased an ability to pass the ball to the person next to him, under no pressure at all in a game already won. Funnily enough, it was also against a Palace team who, at that period, didn't look like a Premiership level team at all and written off. Show me a video of his performance played at the famed 'pace of the Premier League' against an opponent who has decided to put him under any sort of pressure this season.

What I have seen is if the game is played at any sort of pace and he is closed down with the ball, he has looked like a player who doesn't belong at such a level. He has been shown up against the good teams, and looked okay against the bad teams. I stress, 'okay', not the very good that people have often called them. It hasn't been good in the way an actual good player would perform against a poor team.

His performances in our midfield could be replicated, if not bettered, by most Premier League starting midfielders. Maybe he is better than he is shown. Maybe he will improve. But until then, I will say what I see, and I see a central midfielder who looks as comfortable as your average centre-half when under pressure with the ball.
 
Did Young? My confidence in United has risen about 10% since this news. Might go up another 10% if Young's out as well. Still only at 22% confident that United can progress mind.
He did, he was in training too with only a little bandage on his thumb... No guarantees he'll start mind you, we can hope he won't but it could go either way. Moyes' options are put Kagawa on the left or behind Rooney with Welbeck left, or Rooney behind Welbeck with Young left. Seems an easy choice for 99% of us, that 1 being Moyes sadly.
 
Oh come on, are you really having a go at someone because he thinks Fellaini is shit, which clearly he is.

Who's clueless I ask myself?

It says everything that with a couple of additions and the subtraction of Fellaini Martinez has turned Everton around in a way that Moyes was never going to i.e. Moyes hasn't a clue and buys utter shite to play in his "system" (dare I call it a system??).

Fellaini is a Championship player at best.

He/you said he had played with a few randow blokes who were better so to answer your question he is clueless as are you if you agree with him. If you don't then maybe you should read a post before you comment.
 
Did you read the article? It is about Fellaini outplaying Yaya Toure a few seasons back - so yes he has done it against top quality opposition in the past. I would agree that he has not done so well in the big matches for us but generally our whole team have been shite on those days.

there are several matches there where many people have given mentions to Fellaini as MOTM and I havent even listed them all, you and your merry band of haters make out that hes been poor everytime he played which is just not true.

Common sense, logic, evidence, they're not needed round these parts.
 
Good news if Fellaini doesn't play. He's certainly capable of offering a lot more than we've seen so far but tomorrow night isn't in that range.

Generally speaking I think he could be much better than he has been so far, even just by regaining the form he showed at DM for Everton. He'll never be good enough to be a regular starter but as a utility squad player? I don't see any reason he couldn't perform at that level.

The real problem is whether he can deal with the psychological pressure of playing for Manchester United. You don't need to be technically amazing to be a squad player here but you do need to have the mental strength to step up when required (as someone like Park did, for example). I haven't been particularly disappointed by his footballing limitations as they were evident long before we signed him but I have been very disappointed with how timid he has looked since he arrived. That's the first thing he needs to change.
 
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/18/marouane-fellaini-superb-in-a-deep-lying-role-for-everton/

A while ago perhaps, but shows he can do it and I have no doubt he can do it again after he is given time to settle.

What that article has mentioned is exactly what I have described about Fellaini a few days ago. He's a great tackler who's strong in the air and can win the ball quickly and allow the creative players to do their thing wig out having them too involved in the defensive side of things. However, Fellaini was only able to demonstrate his best against teams that aren't good at holding the ball or in an ultra-defensive approach where others cover up his other defensive weaknesses. I've mentioned, earlier, about how Fellaini can be useful for us, but those are the same ways Cleverley can benefit us except that Cleverley isn't aerially dominant like Fellaini is.
 
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What ability has he fecking demonstrated that remotely appears to be anything above what would be expected from any old player? Again, this 'he's good enough to be a squad player' thing is nonsense too in my opinion. How good does 'good enough to be a squad player' have to be? Fellaini's performance this season has shown no more footballing ability than a League 2 footballer.

Before anyone starts coming out with the usual rhetoric, tell me what exactly he does to a level higher than a League 2 player, at least this season anyway. Or just how bad do you guys think a League 2 footballer would actually look in our midfield? They aren't going to look like a 3 year old now are they? That said, they may not look much better than a regular bloke who plays a lot of football. I will honestly say that I've seen little above that level from Fellaini this season.

If you were watching these performances for another club, not a chance you would want him anywhere near United.

I think there needs to be some context, the pressure he's under, going from Everton to Man Utd, the price tag, the different injuries etc etc ... All these things combined with many other factors have meant that Fellaini has underperformed, I don't believe he's a player for Utd and that is even if he significantly improves his performances.
I think some players belong to a certain level and some others are meant to excel at a higher one, I think you're being purposely harsh on Fellaini, labeling him as good (or bad) as a League 2 footballer. Yes it's frustrating watching him play like a clown at times and yes you wonder how the hell the club paid so much for him but come on, let's be serious. Fellaini has massively underperformed and at his best, is a solid and good PL player.
 
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/01/18/marouane-fellaini-superb-in-a-deep-lying-role-for-everton/

A while ago perhaps, but shows he can do it and I have no doubt he can do it again after he is given time to settle.

Also Fellaini has been voted MOTM for us on here and received high praise for some DM performances already this season:
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-everton-h.380225/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-wba-a.386162/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-crystal-palace-a.385306/
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/motm-vs-real-sociedad.379158/

First link is from 2010.

Against WBA, Palace, and Sociedad from what I can see from those threads MOTM are Mata, Rafael and Kagawa...

Also DFreshKing was referring to Fellaini having a better season than Carrick in a season which he was a target man most of the time.
 
Did you read the article? It is about Fellaini outplaying Yaya Toure a few seasons back - so yes he has done it against top quality opposition in the past. I would agree that he has not done so well in the big matches for us but generally our whole team have been shite on those days.

there are several matches there where many people have given mentions to Fellaini as MOTM and I havent even listed them all, you and your merry band of haters make out that hes been poor everytime he played which is just not true.

A few seasons back huh. Every dog has its day I guess. Young was MOTM against Arsenal a few seasons ago when we beat them 8-2. Do you think he's a United player? Yaya has upstaged Fellaini twice this season. He has been poor every time against good opposition and has only performed like a United player against WBA and Crystal Palace twice, the rest has been poor.
 
A few seasons back huh. Every dog has its day I guess. Young was MOTM against Arsenal a few seasons ago when we beat them 8-2. Do you think he's a United player? Yaya has upstaged Fellaini twice this season. He has been poor every time against good opposition and has only performed like a United player against WBA and Crystal Palace twice, the rest has been poor.

Using similar logic don't you think such a low amount of games this season is too early to judge him.

No one is arguing he has not played well this season although there are reasonable mitigating factors - the abuse he is getting from 'united' fans is a joke, I can imagine what opposition fans are making of some of these comments.

If he is here for a few seasons and becomes a regular player/squad member I can see some people jumping ship - it seems that vitriolic. ABF (anyone but fellani) could be an apt tag for some.
 
Give the guy a chance for fecks sake, he's not having a good season but some of the shit that's said about him is just ridiculous. Fellaini haters aren't going to give him credit for anything.

Negative attributes:
  • Often doesn't look like he gives a shit
  • Generally looks like he's playing within himself
  • Clumsy in the tackle
  • Often runs up to the opposing box instead of getting involved in the build up play
  • Poor awareness in silly positions
  • fecking retarded elbows
He's shown the following attributes when he's on form:
  • Strong, holds the ball well - good at holding a player off and turning to make a bit of space in front
  • Accurate and often positive passing
  • He generally looks to get forward when given the chance
  • Good presence in the box - both defending and attacking where he causes problems for their defenders by his mere presence
  • Gets a good few shots off, could easily have scored a couple of goals by now
A lot of the negatives we've seen this season aren't negatives you'd generally associate with Fellaini and I think he's been negatively affected by a combination of the overall fecked up season, injuries and lack of confidence. He is a better player than what we've seen.

I'm fully expecting a few people to come in and rubbish every single one of the positives I've stated. But when you've got people who can't even admit he's been fouled in a gif where someone quite clearly jumped into his back before getting the ball, well logic just isn't welcome here is it?
 
I'll add to that, Rooney has gone through periods of form where he looked worse than Fellaini, touch of a rapist etc, so at least entertain the possibility that this isn't the best Fellaini has to offer.
 
I'll add to that, Rooney has gone through periods of form where he looked worse than Fellaini, touch of a rapist etc, so at least entertain the possibility that this isn't the best Fellaini has to offer.

At his best though, Rooney's a world class footballer. Fellaini's never been anywhere near Rooney's top level, even at his best.
 
You couldn't care less for logic? It is logical to assume if Belgium play him then he is not league 2 to standard.

This is his debut, the league 2 standard terrible performances:





So he could be league 1 now? Seems as though Fellaini's standard has just improved in the time it took to write one post. He surely can't be that bad then? By the time you post next he'll be championship standard!



gave the ball away about twice, very tidy performance.

But I guess it's just the average nature of the guy.
 
At his best though, Rooney's a world class footballer. Fellaini's never been anywhere near Rooney's top level, even at his best.

Well done for completely missing my point. Well done.
 
Well done for completely missing my point. Well done.

I've not, I read your other posts and while I don't think Fellaini is good enough long term and wasn't a particularly great signing, I admit you make some good, valid points. The Rooney comparison isn't valid though because Fellaini at his best is absolutely nowhere near Rooney at his best. It'd be like me excusing Moyes' awful season because Fergie had some average ones here or there. Maybe not that extreme, perhaps, but you get my point.
 
Using similar logic don't you think such a low amount of games this season is too early to judge him.

No one is arguing he has not played well this season although there are reasonable mitigating factors - the abuse he is getting from 'united' fans is a joke, I can imagine what opposition fans are making of some of these comments.

If he is here for a few seasons and becomes a regular player/squad member I can see some people jumping ship - it seems that vitriolic. ABF (anyone but fellani) could be an apt tag for some.

The big issue here isn't about how good/bad he is playing, the entire team have been terrible this season, what annoys people the most about Fellaini is that he lacks the skills to be successful here and time won't mend that. Players like Bellion, Djemba-Djemba, Manucho, Obertan, Diouf, Liam Miller, Bardsley and Gibson etc where ripped apart by United fans early in their careers and rightfully so because they were clearly not United players. They all moved on and found their level, tiers below United's level may I add. Giving those players time was never going to do them any good and it surely won't do Fellaini any good either.
 
I've not, I read your other posts and while I don't think Fellaini is good enough long term and wasn't a particularly great signing, I admit you make some good, valid points. The Rooney comparison isn't valid though because Fellaini at his best is absolutely nowhere near Rooney at his best. It'd be like me excusing Moyes' awful season because Fergie had some average ones here or there. Maybe not that extreme, perhaps, but you get my point.

Okay apologies for my sarcastic tone (grumpy post work mood).

But my point is, if Rooney can look that bad for long periods of time (yet be so good at other times) then surely people should accept that maybe, just maybe, Fellaini's got a level or two above what we've seen so far.
 
Okay apologies for my sarcastic tone (grumpy post work mood).

But my point is, if Rooney can look that bad for long periods of time (yet be so good at other times) then surely people should accept that maybe, just maybe, Fellaini's got a level or two above what we've seen so far.

Possibly he has, but to get the best of him he'd have to be regularly played in his best position. That's probably in behind the striker, where he's not going to get a lot of time. Other than that? As a defensive mid, but we don't usually go for an out and out defensive mid to sit there as a destroyer type player, and we rightfully shouldn't. I don't think our team setup in general is catered to get the best out of him since he doesn't fit, whereas Rooney does.
 
I think there needs to be some context, the pressure he's under, going from Everton to Man Utd, the price tag, the different injuries etc etc ... All these things combined with many other factors have meant that Fellaini has underperformed, I don't believe he's a player for Utd and that is even if he significantly improves his performances.
I think some players belong to a certain level and some others are meant to excel at a higher one, I think you're being purposely harsh on Fellaini, labeling him as good (or bad) as a League 2 footballer. Yes it's frustrating watching him play like a clown at times and yes you wonder how the hell the club paid so much for him but come on, let's be serious. Fellaini has massively underperformed and at his best, is a solid and good PL player.

Perhaps, but I still feel this is a case of applying too much narrative to football, i'm just saying what I see. You may say there is mitigation for his performances, and perhaps you are right, but he can't be given credit for performances he is yet to produce.

I also think you are being too generous in saying he has looked a 'solid premier league player' too. He may well have shown he is such player at Everton, but at the very least, I would imagine a fair few Championship midfielders have watched his performances for us this season and felt they xould at the very least equal that level.

I don't believe you would need to be the best midfielder in the Championship to better Fellaini's performances this season. That's me just being honest from what I've seen. I also don't believe a League 1 midfielder would have necessarily looked more out of his depth than Fellaini did against Bayern.
 
I would imagine a fair few Championship midfielders have watched his performances for us this season and felt they xould at the very least equal that level.

I don't believe you would need to be the best midfielder in the Championship to better Fellaini's performances this season. That's me just being honest from what I've seen. I also don't believe a League 1 midfielder would have necessarily looked more out of his depth than Fellaini did against Bayern.

I don't think this is that outrageous, to be honest.

Liam Bridcutt, a Championship midfielder a few months ago - Is there anything Fellaini has shown that Bridcutt couldn't have shown in our side?
Nope. I'd even argue Bridcutt has a better brain for a two man midfield.

Will Hughes? Alejandro Faurlin? Chalobah?

Fellaini isn't a Championship level midfielder (he'd be a regular for 2/3s of the Premier League), but it's debatable whether we could have bought a better quality centre midfielder from the Championship this summer. That says it all really.

The only way I see him working in our side is if we play a strict 4-3-3, with him in the side to literally replicate his second striker role at Everton in the centre midfield position for us (i.e. get flick ons, challenge for 50/50s, scrap about, get physical - while the other two midfielders play football)
because the two man midfield job is beyond him (even taking into account that he's not at his best) it requires a football brain - which he lacks, not even taking into account his lack of mobility and average (not poor) technique.
 
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Perhaps, but I still feel this is a case of applying too much narrative to football, i'm just saying what I see. You may say there is mitigation for his performances, and perhaps you are right, but he can't be given credit for performances he is yet to produce.

I also think you are being too generous in saying he has looked a 'solid premier league player' too. He may well have shown he is such player at Everton, but at the very least, I would imagine a fair few Championship midfielders have watched his performances for us this season and felt they xould at the very least equal that level.

I don't believe you would need to be the best midfielder in the Championship to better Fellaini's performances this season. That's me just being honest from what I've seen. I also don't believe a League 1 midfielder would have necessarily looked more out of his depth than Fellaini did against Bayern.

I think they would mostly think that the step up from Everton to Utd isn't that easy before anything else. My biggest problem is how you compare performances so directly, Fellaini performing badly and a League 2 player performing leads to think that Fellaini is worse than the League 2 player which is absolutely naive and wrong for me. Last night I had a terrific match with my mates, I feel like Scholes out there but no way do others see me as better than a pro footballer who has had a very bad season.
 
First link is from 2010.

Against WBA, Palace, and Sociedad from what I can see from those threads MOTM are Mata, Rafael and Kagawa...

Well I posted that article because you claimed that he has never received any acclaim as a DM - which is clearly wrong. It is true that he hasnt played in that position so much in the past couple of seasons though.

and the point in the MOTM threads was to show that he has been mentioned by many posters in several matches as being one of the best performers - by looking at the pack of slabbering idiots in this thread you'd think that every United fan wanted him out when that is not the case.


That zonal marking piece is very encouraging (and I'm speaking as someone who's all but given up on him) It backs up what one of the Evertonian caftards said about him being really good in that season in a holding position.

It's weird to read about him being such a tough tackler too. I also remember this being pointed out before (along with stats about his tackle rate) but he's not looked like that at all for United. Everything he does is so inhibited (apart from the elbows, that is!) Can't even think of one occasion where he really committed to a tackle and crunched someone to win the ball.

It seems to me that his biggest problem is between his ears. When we're playing cannon fodder he can relax and do his thing but on the big occasions, he completely falls to pieces. This is something else which is radically different to his Everton days, when he seemed to up his game against teams like United.

I still hope that there's a good player in there somewhere. I'm certain he's a better player than he's shown for us so far but less confident he can find the mental strength and self belief to prove it. Obviously, this is more likely in a season where the team isn't in a tail-spin and he's getting both barrels from everyone as the talisman of our (alegedely) incompetent manager. Interesting that he's picked his game up a little bit after we signed Mata. Might be the best thing for him, if we sign a few other big money signings and let him get his shit together when the team as a whole is playing better and he's not under quite as much scrutiny. Time will tell anyway.

There is definitely a good player in there and he has already shown it in some games - you are right that he hasnt performed in the big matches though, but then the whole team have been crap on those occasions and I dont think we had the right tactics.

He still needs to find his best role and a regular midfield partner as well. One issue is that Im not sure he and Carrick are a good combo - so perhaps it has to be one or the other and really we still lack a more attacking, creative midfield who would compliment either of them.
 
I think they would mostly think that the step up from Everton to Utd isn't that easy before anything else. My biggest problem is how you compare performances so directly, Fellaini performing badly and a League 2 player performing leads to think that Fellaini is worse than the League 2 player which is absolutely naive and wrong for me. Last night I had a terrific match with my mates, I feel like Scholes out there but no way do others see me as better than a pro footballer who has had a very bad season.

A League 2 player is also a pro footballer. Didn't Lambert bring a few of them to Villa who have done well?

Perhaps Fellaini shouldn't be playing in League 2, but he isn't playing much better than a good League 1 or 2 player this season I don't think. Just like Andy Carroll has League 1 footballing ability in my view. Brendon Rodgers would chase Fellaini far, far away from Anfield if he was at Liverpool.

All I'm saying is that Fellaini's performances this season could be replicated by most professional players at the very least down to Championship level. I am inclined to agree that he can improve, given he can't perform much worse and as has been mentioned, he is an international player. That said, I think people are often in danger of giving players credit for things they don't actually do because we think they are probably capable of it. For years I heard United fans go on about how much Carrick could contribute going forward if he had the right partner. Well he is 33 now and has spent his whole career not doing it. It's all hypothesis.

If Fellaini improves I will gladly praise him, but I will not speak of him in the context of what I believe he is or should be capable of.
 
A League 2 player is also a pro footballer. Didn't Lambert bring a few of them to Villa who have done well?

Perhaps Fellaini shouldn't be playing in League 2, but he isn't playing much better than a good League 1 or 2 player this season I don't think. Just like Andy Carroll has League 1 footballing ability in my view. Brendon Rodgers would chase Fellaini far, far away from Anfield if he was at Liverpool.

All I'm saying is that Fellaini's performances this season could be replicated by most professional players at the very least down to Championship level. I am inclined to agree that he can improve, given he can't perform much worse and as has been mentioned, he is an international player. That said, I think people are often in danger of giving players credit for things they don't actually do because we think they are probably capable of it. For years I heard United fans go on about how much Carrick could contribute going forward if he had the right partner. Well he is 33 now and has spent his whole career not doing it. It's all hypothesis.

If Fellaini improves I will gladly praise him, but I will not speak of him in the context of what I believe he is or should be capable of.

Now if you said it as clearly as that from the get go, I would only have agreed. His performances have been shit but I refuse to think that's his true level.
 
The only way I see him working in our side is if we play a strict 4-3-3, with him in the side to literally replicate his second striker role at Everton in the centre midfield position for us (i.e. get flick ons, challenge for 50/50s, scrap about, get physical - while the other two midfielders play football) because the two man midfield job is beyond him (even taking into account that he's not at his best) it requires a football brain - which he lacks, not even taking into account his lack of mobility and average (not poor) technique.

This. He needs two other midfielders around him to make up for his footballing weaknesses and bring the best out of the other two footballers by doing most of the dirty work and providing key support and link-ups between his teammates. That was one of his main strengths last season, at Everton: he provided great support for Baines and Pienaar, allowing both to run into spaces and link up with him whilst he would draw in the opposition with his large frame. Whenever he played in central midfield for Everton, last season, it was as a destroyer and someone who did all of the dirty work. He would defend aggressively and try to win the ball as quick as possible whilst his teammates covered up the spaces he left open.

Here, at Man. Utd., if he is to play in a 2-man midfield, he'll need a midfield partner who has the energy to cover the large spaces Fellaini leaves. Plus, he'll need creative, attacking players around him so that he doesn't have the responsibility to distribute the ball and create chances. In Belgium, he has defensive support from Witsel and attacking support from Hazard, de Bruyne, Chadli, Mertens, Mirallas, etc. In Everton, he had defensive support from everyone in the team (against the big teams), particularly his more defensive, deep-lying partner in Gibson. He had attacking support from Osman, Pienaar, Baines, Coleman, and Mirallas.

He'll only benefit with us if he has 1-2 players fill up the spaces he leaves open when getting aggressive, and he'll be useful on the attack if we have creative attacking players with good movement and creativity.
 
This. He needs two other midfielders around him to make up for his footballing weaknesses and bring the best out of the other two footballers by doing most of the dirty work and providing key support and link-ups between his teammates. That was one of his main strengths last season, at Everton: he provided great support for Baines and Pienaar, allowing both to run into spaces and link up with him whilst he would draw in the opposition with his large frame. Whenever he played in central midfield for Everton, last season, it was as a destroyer and someone who did all of the dirty work. He would defend aggressively and try to win the ball as quick as possible whilst his teammates covered up the spaces he left open.

Here, at Man. Utd., if he is to play in a 2-man midfield, he'll need a midfield partner who has the energy to cover the large spaces Fellaini leaves. Plus, he'll need creative, attacking players around him so that he doesn't have the responsibility to distribute the ball and create chances. In Belgium, he has defensive support from Witsel and attacking support from Hazard, de Bruyne, Chadli, Mertens, Mirallas, etc. In Everton, he had defensive support from everyone in the team (against the big teams), particularly his more defensive, deep-lying partner in Gibson. He had attacking support from Osman, Pienaar, Baines, Coleman, and Mirallas.

He'll only benefit with us if he has 1-2 players fill up the spaces he leaves open when getting aggressive, and he'll be useful on the attack if we have creative attacking players with good movement and creativity.

Yep.

And what all of this implies to me, is that we'd need to alter the team's structure just to fit him in.
And he's not worth that, in my opinion.
Which is why a squad role is about right.

Even alongside someone like Gundogan, I'd worry about him in a two man midfield behind Mata. It would be a repeat of last year, with Gundogan carrying us (like Carrick did)
We'd need to do something like this to compensate for his lack of centre midfield know-how and mobility.

Gundogan--- NEW CM
--------Fellaini------

Which means no Mata/Kagawa behind the striker.
 
Does anyone recall if he was more mobile in his Everton days? All the articles raving about him as a defensive midfielder invariably applaud his ability to dominate the space infront of defense aerially and his tackling ability. If he was getting his timing right in those areas, he must have been quicker than what he is showing now or had a better positional sense defensively.

I wonder if the back injury is still hampering him, most athletes don't get back to regular mobility for atleast 12-18 months and for a player with limited ability like him, that could make a world of difference.
 
No. He hasn't travelled with the squad. According to Moyes, Fellaini came off against Newcastle feeling "dizzy". Don't know what the actual problem is.

Dizzy? That doesn't sound good, to me. Let's hope it isn't anything super serious.
 
:lol: some people are seriously comparing him to a league 1 or 2 player? I'm a Fellaini fan, and I admit that against the big teams he has struggled but he's not a league 2 footballer. Ludicrous to think so.
 
He's definitely better than what he's shown for us so far. I think injury, and the fact that we've generally struggled under Moyes, has affected his ability to settle in quickly. I remember a newly-signed Vidic being bullied off the ball, terrible ball control, mistimed tackles, giving away fouls etc, and I was wondering why the hell we signed him. My point is, don't under estimate how much "form" can affect the level of your play. It can make you look an inept player when you are not.

Fellaini, along the rest of the team, need to get their swagger back. Moyes needs to shed his underdog mentality and breed confidence back in the players. And then we should see him back to his best. ie a good, established premiership player, and a starter for one of the currently stronger European national teams.
 
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