Not sure about Mata, but Rooney, sure.
Not sure about Mata, but Rooney, sure.
I fear he'll be amazing for Liverpool if they get him. They are building an excellent attack and if they win the Europa League and play Champions League next season I could definitely see Götze there.
As slow as Mata ? Surely that can't be true,especially considering he is only what , 23 ? Or maybe it's due to lack of fitness or something ?
But lack of express pace in itself is not much of problem imo. With Mata it is evident that as slow as he is, it's his lingering on the ball that's aggravating the problem. David Silva isn't all that fast, yet he releases the ball much faster and is so much effective while countering. Mata just runs for a while and checks his run and looks for the square pass thus wasting the opportunity.
Haven't seen too much of Goetze to make that judgment, but could you tell me about his decision making especially whether he knows when to play the pass and such.
He could do very well for us, but I think the Klopp lure might see him going to the Pool.
Not fussed about Goetze. Never bought into the hype. Massively over rated IMO. Not that he isn't a good player mind you, he is. Just not a potential WPOTY as some touted him. Not fussed if he goes to 'Pool.
I think with him, Firmino and Coutinho, we don't need to give two fecks about width. That's an attacking midfield loaded with young players who have an abundance of technique, game intelligence and movement in them. They will set each other up.
Inclined to agree if you get them on the same wave length. Get someone infront of them running the channels and you'd have a fluid and creative front 4.
Sturridge
Gotze - Coutinho - Firmino
Can - ????
Gotze - Coutinho - Firmino
Can - ????
That's a very good front 6 if Klopp sorts out your defence.
Plus Clyne and possibly Gomez can run the flanks with Can dropping in at the back to provide cover.
The only thing I can see as a potential problem is pace - if sturridge is fit he of course provides the pace up top but without him fit (and lets be honest that is not beyond the realms of probability) I'm not sure any of them provide the pace on the counter so perhaps another pacey forward or indeed a quick winger would help to balance that out... Is Markovich an option - I honestly have no clue how he is doing out on loan?
He and Thiago are for some reason touted to be guaranteed world beaters despite them showing nothing of that sort in their spell at Munich.
Origi is rapid and looks like he can grow into something special under Klopp. Remains to be seen with Ings has in him when he comes back. I think those two and sturridge are good enough striking options considering how we mostly play one up front.
Agree that the alternatives in attacking midfield need to have some pace though. Maybe Markovic could be an option. I honestly have no idea.
Also why I'd love to get a proper attacking leftback in. Moreno is fast and a willing runner, but he just doesn't have enough in him. A poor man's Riise.
Gomez? Though perhaps his long term future is at central defence?
I do think though that with a couple of good signings and a whole pre season under Klopp your lot will look a lot better next season (especially if Sturridge can stay fit)
Gomez is composed in possession, but that is it. Longterm, I think he belongs in the centre. His defensive stats on a good day are off the charts.
I don't like his face.
There is that. He looks immensely slappable.
He looks like the white Mikel. Makes me sick every time I see him.
You just know he watches all of his games at home.
Surprised so many people say he's really that slow, never noticed it myself tbh.
We have a skinny Mata. Don't need the slightly chubby version.
This is the same for me too... I mean I know he's not rapid or anything but would not say one of his weaknesses is being painfully slow. He's got great ball control so don't think it matters too much how quick it is unless your looking for off the ball runs which is not his thing at all.
PSG join the race for Mario Götze
According to Die Welt, PSG have joined Liverpool and Juventus in the race for the possible signing of Bayern Munich attacking midfielder Mario Götze.
The German World Cup winner’s Bayern contract expires in 2017 and he has decided that he does not want to remain with the Bundesliga champions.
If Jürgen Klopp has the personal advantage in terms of convincing Götze, PSG undoubtedly have the financial advantage.
According to Die Welt, PSG have joined Liverpool and Juventus in the race for the possible signing of Bayern Munich attacking midfielder Mario Götze.
The German World Cup winner’s Bayern contract expires in 2017 and he has decided that he does not want to remain with the Bundesliga champions.
If Jürgen Klopp has the personal advantage in terms of convincing Götze, PSG undoubtedly have the financial advantage.
Yeah but you guys are linked to everyone at the minute.
We really need to start a PSG transfer rumour bingo.
had a good game today and scored two goals. The club who gets him might end up with a real bargain.
So a lot of talk here that it is between Liverpool and Dortmund for him.
But should also be at least having a go at signing Gotze? For me, it is a transfer that makes a lot of sense. He was one of the very best young players in football 3 years back, and has undeniable natural talent. And while it hasn't worked out for him in an elite-level side, whoever signs him next, could possibly get a hugely talented player and potentially a future top player, for a fee that isn't bonkers.
Given we're being linked with James, and we all know our #10's aren't exactly top class, then why not Gotze?
I think it makes a lot of sense if his attitude is good. And given we have so many people here concerned about marketability and needing to fill that void when Rooney, Gotze is one of the more marketable players around as well.
But should also be at least having a go at signing Gotze? For me, it is a transfer that makes a lot of sense. He was one of the very best young players in football 3 years back, and has undeniable natural talent. And while it hasn't worked out for him in an elite-level side, whoever signs him next, could possibly get a hugely talented player and potentially a future top player, for a fee that isn't bonkers.
Given we're being linked with James, and we all know our #10's aren't exactly top class, then why not Gotze?
I think it makes a lot of sense if his attitude is good. And given we have so many people here concerned about marketability and needing to fill that void when Rooney, Gotze is one of the more marketable players around as well.
I'd love it if United signed Götze. I'm also surprised he isn't linked with Arsenal. Wenger would suit him, and he'd most likely have (former) NT buddies (Özil, Mertesacker) around helping him to get accustomed to England.
Prefer James, Gotze needs movement around him to look good. We lack movement massively. James does a lot of movement off the ball, find pockets and produces wow moments.
All the top clubs should be all over him. Quality player lacking a little confidence at Bayern apparently. Would love him though i suspect Klopp might seduce him to Liverpool. Still they have no champions league next season and that is something to think about for him.
Always thought he was massively overrated. Liverpool are welcome to him. I'd rather have James.
If I were him Id hang around till Jan and see if I got an opportunity under Anchelotti (injuries etc) if not Id sign a mega pre contract deal with whoever threw the most bunce at me and was still a good team (psg, chelsea, liverpool, united etc)
Liverpool seems to be the favourite to hire him.
A few whispers earlier today that he was waiting to see the result of the Europa League final before making a decision. If true then it doesn't look good for our chances of signing him.
We are putting a lot of effort into trying to convince him to come over but I'm not sure he will considering the lack of European football. I'll be surprised if it happens.
Fractured rib - misses the German Cup Final
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...cturee-pour-mario-gotze/678278?dlvrit=1944463
http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...cturee-pour-mario-gotze/678278?dlvrit=1944463
If I would be him I would try to get out as soon as possible. He lacks the bite for a club like Bayern.
He has already enough trophies and still a lot years ahead. I would go to Liverpool. Klopp is keen on showing the world that Goetze functions with him and he is better in that sspect as Pep... He will not get a better situation to start new than there...
If he went to PSG he would not get more playing time than in Munich.
Why should top clubs be desperate to get one of Bayern's fringe players?
Why should top clubs be desperate to get one of Bayern's fringe players?
We have less forward options than Bayern and Zlatan is leaving. He could challenge for a spot in the starting 11 and get more playing time even if he doesn't beat the competition.
I am sure the same was said when robben was a real reject looking for a club.
The simple answer is that Bayern are just that much better than most 'top clubs' that their rejects would improve most of them.
Not to mention things simply don't work out for some players at certain clubs. Robben at his peak is better than any player Madrid's had recently bar Ronaldo. Ibrahimovic failed at Barca, di Maria at United, de Bruyne at Chelsea etc, etc.
According to Kicker
- Dortmund are currently more interested to bring Götze back than that was the case in the last weeks/months.
- But the article says again that it's unlikely something will happen before the Euros.
- Bayern Munich wouldn't want a "big amount of money" (Probably something like 20-25m €). Although Liverpool would offer far more money for him.
BILD
Breaking News: Götze has changed his agent
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/b...ratungsagentur-sportstotal-45922588.bild.html
- Dortmund are currently more interested to bring Götze back than that was the case in the last weeks/months.
- But the article says again that it's unlikely something will happen before the Euros.
- Bayern Munich wouldn't want a "big amount of money" (Probably something like 20-25m €). Although Liverpool would offer far more money for him.
BILD
Breaking News: Götze has changed his agent
http://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/b...ratungsagentur-sportstotal-45922588.bild.html
I'm sure he's free of blame himself at all, but I also think that Götze simply didn't fit into Pep's concept.
It will be interesting to see how he's going to fare elsewhere because I have no idea how hungry he still is and how much of his problems is down to a lack of trust.
It will be interesting to see how he's going to fare elsewhere because I have no idea how hungry he still is and how much of his problems is down to a lack of trust.
at the quoted figures of £20 million he has got to be worth a punt though... I imagine Will Hughes from Derby would cost about the same!