Not really. I think this was his first lengthy injury at Bayern he just sat on the bench a lot because Guardiola didn't really find a place form him in their system. He also had a fairly good phase before the recent injury if I recall correctly, so he wasn't entirely shit at Bayern either it just never seemed to click for him in Guardiola's system.
Not really. I think this was his first lengthy injury at Bayern he just sat on the bench a lot because Guardiola didn't really find a place form him in their system. He also had a fairly good phase before the recent injury if I recall correctly, so he wasn't entirely shit at Bayern either it just never seemed to click for him in Guardiola's system.
Götze's games missed in past four seasons:
12/13: 14
13/14: 8
14/15: 0
15/16: 21
Sturridge's games missed in past four seasons:
12/13: 12
13/14: 17
14/15: 40
15/16: 17
Info taken from transfermarkt so should be accurate with Götze at least.
Alright, he just seemed to be injured all the time.
That's exactly how I feel about it. The chances are he'd excel in England playing under Klopp and if he really does want to join us then we should go for it. He's easily an upgrade on Lallana.
There is genuine interest in Gundogan I think but he's not seen as a realistic option. I think we were looking at Xhaka to create the Xhaka-Can midfield but Arsenal seem quite far along with that. Also £34 million is a lot for Liverpool to spend and that seems to be the price being quoted.
The Reus stuff is Twitter nonsense.
I just find the timing kinda odd, since things in Germany strongly point towards Dortmund and suddenly Liverpool are supposedly confident.
Paul Joyce of the Express - is he reliable?
These rumours are doing my head in. At first I didn't think we had any chance whatsoever to sign him, and actually I still do. There's no way he'd pass up on the chance to play regular CL football and a chance to win major trophies every year. £20m is absurdly cheap for a player like him although he'd be on crazy wages, I'd imagine.
These rumours are doing my head in. At first I didn't think we had any chance whatsoever to sign him, and actually I still do. There's no way he'd pass up on the chance to play regular CL football and a chance to win major trophies every year. £20m is absurdly cheap for a player like him although he'd be on crazy wages, I'd imagine.
Joyce is reliable with all things Liverpool along with Tony Barrett from the Times who is also running this story.
Ben Smith is in on it as well so there seems to be some truth to it.
yeah yeah... an injury prone götze will go to the "no lungs and muscles anymore"-football of klopp, which struggles massivly with injuries the last years, and btw he turned down for pep-like football.
with no cl, minimal chances for trophies, a mediocre club which needs to improve on every position.
instead of going to a european topclub (in reality,not on memories like pool - no offence! pool is a great club with great history, but they must work in the present and have a lot work to do...), with cl football, chances of trophies, his bro reus, his colleges from the n11, a coach which is totaly aware of the bodys of his players (the improvement on injuries is massive since tuchel took over).
ok.
with no cl, minimal chances for trophies, a mediocre club which needs to improve on every position.
instead of going to a european topclub (in reality,not on memories like pool - no offence! pool is a great club with great history, but they must work in the present and have a lot work to do...), with cl football, chances of trophies, his bro reus, his colleges from the n11, a coach which is totaly aware of the bodys of his players (the improvement on injuries is massive since tuchel took over).
ok.
I can't help it, but @slig you remind me a lot of anchan, a Dortmund version of anchan.
There are not that many options for Götze as you may think. Bayern will be very hesitant to allow a move back to Dortmund as it would strengthen a direct national rival. Real, Barca, City, PSG and other big clubs are not interested after his disappointing stay at Bayern. Arsenal doesn't need him, Atletico prefers to develop their own talents and aside from Juventus I can't see any Italian team that is willing to match his significant wage demands. Juventus was reportedly very interested in Götze last summer but we haven't heard anything from them yet.
Liverpool definitely has a chance.
I doubt that. We've always been really respectful towards the wishes of our players once we decided to let them go. It was never a big deal if someone failed at Bayern and then moved back to his former club and with only one year left on his contract and the wages he's on, we're not really in a position of strength in the negotiations.
I believe it makes a significant difference once the player wishes to move to a direct national rival. As you pointed put we were willing to leave a couple of millions on the table to allow Mario Gomez' transfer to Fiorentina and something similar happened with Shaqiri to Inter and Gustavo to Wolfsburg. However none of those clubs were serious national rivals with a team strong enough to win the Championship with the help of said player. As much as our bosses like to promote the cheritable nature of our club, they hate being embarassed even more and Dortmund winning a title thanks to a returning Götze would be very, very embarassing.
I also don't rate our negotiating position as badly as you do. Götze may only have one year left on his contract, but it's a year he wants under no circumstances spend on Bayern's bench. He wants out now and that will make it easier for us to deny him a return to Dortmund and redirect him to somewhere else. Especially with an alternative destination like Klopp's Liverpool lined up.
In my view Dortmund would have to sweeten us the deal with either cash or a player to risk a Götze return.
I don't think it was a big deal when Frings went back to Bremen for example. If Götze really prefers to go back and Dortmund make a fair offer, we'll let him leave. I'm fairly certain of that. We won't force him to make a move to a club where his career might be at risk. We don't gain anything from that.
Honestly not too bothered even if he does go to Liverpool.. They're just stocking up on #10's these days. Why get Gotze when you have Firmino and Coutinho who are both starting quality and at their best as a 10? And all are similar in terms of play style, just Gotze being more of a "soft" player. Don't think he would have all that big of an impact to be honest. Klopp would probably build around him, so he would be decent, but it's not addressing their actual needs.
Yeah to be fair I'd like to think we are prioritizing a goalkeeper and someone better for midfield. The thing is I don't think a club like us can afford to say no if a player like Gotze is available. He's easily an upgrade on Lallana who is starting most games at the moment, and they take up pretty much the same position so it's not too hard for me to see where he'd fit.
Fair assessment imo.
This is where I stand. We need to improve on several positions before we can justify dropping £150k+ p/w on a player who plays where our two best players already play. Is he better? Sure, but he's not worth overlooking our genuine needs for.
They can have him. If it for instance a replacement for Coutinho I know who imd prefer them to have as a rival.
At the same time, he's not someone I would ignore if the quoted £20M fee is true. He was a key player in Klopp's system at Dortmund in the attacking midfield trio and there's every chance he can be as effective.
You don't pass up on players like Götze when they're available, especially at the quoted fee of £18m-£20m. What if Coutinho leaves this summer or next? We'd shoot ourselves in the foot if we won't go for him. We have more pressing needs, yes, but which ones? A goalkeeper (already made contact with Barcelona for ter Stegen apparently, and it's not like goalies are that expensive anyway), left-back (interested in Jonas Hector which wouldn't be that expensive either) and a CM (interested in Piotr Zielinski from Udinese who is currently on loan at Empoli)... But with Can seemingly being an automatic starter under Klopp and Grujic coming back in, we'd have enough cover with Henderson and even Milner if necessary.
ter Stegen; Clyne/Flanagan, Matip, Sakho/Lovren, Hector/Moreno; Can, Henderson/Grujic/Milner; Firmino, Coutinho, Götze; Sturridge.
I'd be very happy with that starting XI going into next season (jumping the gun of course). Ibe, Ings, Origi, Lallana, Markovic is enough attacking talent to replace anyone. And it's not like we won't have anything else to spend even if we buy Götze at let's say £25m. I'd imagine Klopp will be given enough money to put together his own team and let's see how he takes it from there.
My only complaint with your starting XI is the midfield as I don't think either of Henderson or Milner are good enough to be starting, and Grujic could be rubbish or take a while to adapt like Firmino did. I was quite keen on Xhaka until I saw the reports linking Arsenal with a £34 million bid. We'd never cough up that sort of money for a player like him, we'd probably beat around the bush for a bit though like we have done with Teixeira, Willian or Mkhitaryan. Regardless of that I think we definitely need another midfielder to come in.
I agree that if the opportunity to sign Gotze is there we should take it. I think he'd be an instant improvement to our starting XI, even if he's not a necessity at the moment.
Gotze at Dortmund was far better than Coutinho has ever been for us. He's simply too good to turn down, especially with the position we're in.
I agree about Henderson and Milner. And whilst I like him, Can is erratic. We definitely need at least one CM to come in and hit the ground running.
I agree about Henderson and Milner. And whilst I like him, Can is erratic. We definitely need at least one CM to come in and hit the ground running.
Still no winger in that XI. Still think that team will have trouble against packed defenses.
We have Markovic coming back from his loan (who was a highly rated talent not given enough time at Liverpool) & Ibe... It's one of those areas where I really hope we improve upon. Maybe Markovic and/or Ibe will step up their game, but either way, we need at least one new winger that's ready to go.
Very reliable Dortmund journalist Freddie Röckenhaus says Götze's big wish is a move back to Dortmund.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bundesliga-ilkay-guendogan-zieht-es-wohl-zu-pep-guardiola-1.2953558
It would be a stupid move from Dortmund imo.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bundesliga-ilkay-guendogan-zieht-es-wohl-zu-pep-guardiola-1.2953558
It would be a stupid move from Dortmund imo.
It is either Dortmund or Liverpool. Klopp will be all over him if Dortmund dont want him i imagine.
Why? The fans' reaction might be a problem, though my impression is that the general stance towards Götze has mellowed over the years, but if you leave that aside I'd see this transfer as a no-brainer, as long as Dortmund can exploit his contract situation.
1) I think to bring back another former player is the wrong way.......okay you can do it once or maybe twice but not a threetimes in a few years.......the next one is then Gündogan in the summer 2018 or what???
2) To bring back that players (Sahin and Kagawa) hasn't really worked out so far.
3) The money and wages for a Götze transfer would be better invested in an improved contract for Mkhitaryan and to buy an winger like Dembele.
1) What's your point, is there a rule against it?
2) Both Sahin and Kagawa were good and cheap transfers. The former was a key player under Klopp and now picks up a decent amount of minutes under Tuchel too - after coming back from his injury. Kagawa was a starter during the first half of the season and now seems to be back in shape recently.
3) I'd guess that Mkhitaryan&co would very much like it if the management wants to strengthen the squad further with players of Götze's calibre. And who says that Götze's wages would come out of Mkhitaryan's pocket or that Dembele is available to Dortmund? Dortmund in general are keeping very quiet about their transfer strategy. For example Götze might be seen as a Gündogan replacement for example and thus they could potentially buy both him and another attacking midfielder.
Unsurprising. Only surprised a deal to Dortmund wasn't announced at around the same time as Hummels to Bayern.
Make it happen, Jürgen 
I'm under the impression that our CEO finally understood that a not to be underestimated number of fans are totally against Götze's return. If I had to bet right now if Mario gets a 2nd spell at Dortmund, I'd say certainly not.
That's what many BVB fans including myself root for, too!Make it happen, Jürgen
Sturridge, Origi, Dembele
Coutinho, Firmino, Gotze (Lallana)
Can't see Coutinho, Firmino and Götze fitting in the same lineup along with whatever forward you'll be signing.We should be on this. We won't be though.