The way Götze has played in recent weeks, it was blatantly obvious that the decision has been made weeks ago. He wasn't just bad, he simply didn't give a feck anymore in a way it was never true before, certainly not at the beginning of this season up until he got injured in November when he was actually playing great. I doubt that Götze or the club really waited for Ancelotti to make a final decision. The big question is just where he'll go. Not sure if Dortmund is really interested if they sign Dembele and keep Mhktaryan.
I can't shake the feeling returning to BVB would be a terrible move for everyone involved.
For us, as we'd let them have him for the usual intra-BuLi pity price. I'd rather try to get some real money for him, as much as possible for a contract running out.
For BVB, as they'd get a player with high expectations attached who has systematically dissapointed them, who has not improved much since leaving, yet the matter how much playing time he gets, how he does, etc, would be highly political and overscrutinized.
Not a good idea IMO, especially not för Götze himself. He should go somewhere else where he can get rid of the German wonderkid expectation burden to a certain extent. Juve would be best, surely.
For us, as we'd let them have him for the usual intra-BuLi pity price. I'd rather try to get some real money for him, as much as possible for a contract running out.
For BVB, as they'd get a player with high expectations attached who has systematically dissapointed them, who has not improved much since leaving, yet the matter how much playing time he gets, how he does, etc, would be highly political and overscrutinized.
Not a good idea IMO, especially not för Götze himself. He should go somewhere else where he can get rid of the German wonderkid expectation burden to a certain extent. Juve would be best, surely.
Wouldn't we be a good option for him given that he's worked with Klopp before?
Maybe. But then, seeing how obsessed the British public is with pace, and seeing how fecking unbelievably SLOW Götze for some reason has turned out to be, he might have trouble in the PL too. But he'd be ok to feature instead of Lallana, I guess. 40m and you can have him.
He'd be better going to Juventus as they've been obsessed with finding a player for that sort of position since last summer. They've been linked with Isco, Oscar, Bernardo Silva and more. Should be fine settling into that league too.
A diamond with Coutinho in the middle, Götze on top and Firmino next to Sturridge for example (won't happen, but still). Why do they have to fit in the same lineup though? A little competition within the squad is never a bad thing and we always have to deal with injuries at some point during the season. I'd rather have too much options than not enough.Can't see Coutinho, Firmino and Götze fitting in the same lineup along with whatever forward you'll be signing.
Meh, don't think that would be a problem. Özil isn't fast by any means for example, Modric isn't either.
Too good to be bench options IMO.
According to Kicker:
- Ancelotti has told him last week that it's better for him to leave the club if he wants to play many matches.
- Bayern want to sell him in the summer unless he signs a new contract....there is no chance that he can leave for free in 2017.
- But Götze will decide his future after the Euros......nothing will happen before.
- Ancelotti has told him last week that it's better for him to leave the club if he wants to play many matches.
- Bayern want to sell him in the summer unless he signs a new contract....there is no chance that he can leave for free in 2017.
- But Götze will decide his future after the Euros......nothing will happen before.
Right so lets say bayern put him up for sale and Gotze says Im not going anywhere and by the Im not signing a new contract... then on 1st Jan he can sign a pre contract with anybody he wants and leave at the end of the season on a free - there is obviously some chance he can leave for free in 2017
He'll go to Liverpool or back to Dortmund.
Yeah, he can force an exit on a free in 2017. But I doubt that's in his best interest. He needs to go to a club where he's valued and can get his career back on track. Losing another year sitting on the bench at Bayern is just stupid.
I guess the offers he received so far are a bit underwhelming at the moment, certainly in terms of wages. He was after all one of the highest earners at Bayern and he definitely has to take a big paycut if he moves to Dortmund, Liverpool or Juve. So he might want to wait until after the Euro and hopes that he can show his quality for Germany in the summer, putting him into a better position to negotiate a great longterm contract with a new club.
I guess it depends what kind of fee Bayern want?
If they want £30 million then perhaps he is better of staying put and waiting to see what wages / signing bonuses he gets offered in Jan
Going to Liverpool will be a wise decision.
Yeah, probably. But I doubt we ask for a totally unreasonable amount. It sounds more as if we're really trying to get rid, get his wages off our books and build a happy and healthy squad for the next season.
In theory he could sit out the contract and hope to make more money in wages/signing bonus when he leaves on a free a year later. But that's a dangerous game to play considering that he won't get a lot of playing time at Bayern and then has 4 rather underwhelming seasons in a row, which makes it less likely that other teams offer him bigger wages than they do now. His best chance is that Löw trusts him as a starter for Germany at the Euro, he performs on a good level and gets out of Munich soon after to start fresh somewhere else.
I'll be honest and say I'd love him at United - massive talent and its not impossible that he has a great Euros and forces his way back in at Bayern
Hard to believe he is still only 23 - and I think he has 50 caps already for arguably the best national team in the world - perhaps his style wasn't suited to pep?
His wages dont even seem that high by PL standards (I think about £105k a week)
There are different reports about Götze's wages, varying from 7m Euro/year to 12m. No idea what's true and how much of his wages are performance related. I think it's more likely his wages are above £150k/week looking at the contracts we gave the players in the last 3 years.
I can't see a way back in at Bayern to be honest. Even great performances at the Euro this summer will change that. It looks as if both club and player have already moved on. Pep's style and especially Pep's use of Götze in so many different positions and roles didn't help him finding his place in the side along with a few too many injuries interrupting his development every time it looked as if he found great form. But even taking all that into account, it just wasn't enough.
He's ours.
Wonder how we will line up with Coutinho, Firmino and Gotze.
Mostly because Firmino is utter rubbish whenever he doesn't play centrally.
Wonder how we will line up with Coutinho, Firmino and Gotze.
Mostly because Firmino is utter rubbish whenever he doesn't play centrally.
Wouldn't make such claims until it's 100% confirmed. I'll never rule out the possibility of Juventus swooping in and closing the deal in two days time.
But yeah, looking good. Reported fee around £20m-£25m which is reasonable considering his contract expires next season.
Should go to Italy.
Could see him linking up well with Sturridge and Firmino as they have great movement off the ball.
I honestly do hope you get him.
What would be interesting is how he'd adapt to Klopp's football again and to the PL. When he moved to Bayern, he said he thought if he had continued playing under Klopp, his body would have broken down.Liverpool seems likely to me.
Can't see him going back to Dortmund now they've signed Dembele. Liverpool putting a decent attack together :/
Podolski has hundreds of those though.
Liverpool bound if Dortmund dont want him. He wants some kind of familarity and a club where he can settle quickly, which he would get at Dortmund and with Klopp.
Seems like overkill.
Way too talented for the dippers
Juve seems to be the reasonable choice - much better club, want to strengthen the position, more suitable league
Juve seems to be the reasonable choice - much better club, want to strengthen the position, more suitable league
Am I only one that thinks he's overrated?
If can't get any minutes at all for Bayern, why is he good enough for any other top club.
If can't get any minutes at all for Bayern, why is he good enough for any other top club.
We're a few levels below Bayern. It's sort of similar to when we signed Coutinho and Sturridge. Both were talented players but struggling to impress at their respective clubs, so Liverpool was a chance for them to get first team football and develop as players. It's the same for Gotze now.
Because sometimes it simply does not work out between a player and a club. Raw ability is just one piece of the puzzle which has to fit. If (and this might be a big if), he can rediscover his former form and brutal consistency which he has shown for Dortmund, he would be a major asset for a lot of clubs. This club does not have to be us, though. While I´m not as adamant (anymore) in my opposition of a potential deal compared to other Dormtund supporter (looking at you @Crossie
) I certainly don´t feel the urgent need to see him in our colors ever again.
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He would be one hell of a signing for the dippers.
The sun, but if true, head to head about to ensue
I wouldn't have guessed it could be me you have in mind.Because sometimes it simply does not work out between a player and a club. Raw ability is just one piece of the puzzle which has to fit. If (and this might be a big if), he can rediscover his former form and brutal consistency which he has shown for Dortmund, he would be a major asset for a lot of clubs. This club does not have to be us, though. While I´m not as adamant (anymore) in my opposition of a potential deal compared to other Dormtund supporter (looking at you @Crossie
I wish Götze well but hopefully at another club.If we were going 4-4-2, I'd say sign him.
Rashford and Gotze up top would link nicely and Martial out left with a new signing out right. If Memphis is PSV Memphis again on the left, throw Martial up top and have Rashford and Gotze fight it out with the other being the main striker off the bech. Would maybe suit Herrera and Schneiderlin to play as a pair or one be a backup to a new starter.
I don't think Van Gaal or Mourinho want to play that way but Gotze is probably better than whoever we'll sign in attack but considering we need at least 3-4 starters and there's a 23 year old who's got 17 in 50(both numbers fecking impressive) for fecking Germany available and he's as much a playmaker as a goalscorer, we'd almost surely going to do worse than this.
Rashford and Gotze up top would link nicely and Martial out left with a new signing out right. If Memphis is PSV Memphis again on the left, throw Martial up top and have Rashford and Gotze fight it out with the other being the main striker off the bech. Would maybe suit Herrera and Schneiderlin to play as a pair or one be a backup to a new starter.
I don't think Van Gaal or Mourinho want to play that way but Gotze is probably better than whoever we'll sign in attack but considering we need at least 3-4 starters and there's a 23 year old who's got 17 in 50(both numbers fecking impressive) for fecking Germany available and he's as much a playmaker as a goalscorer, we'd almost surely going to do worse than this.
According to BILD, Bayern have received only one official request for Götze so far, and that is from Liverpool. For once, I hope BILD isn't just fabricating shite tranfer stories but is spot on.
Why aren't we in for him ? For the said amount (25-30 mil) shouldn't it be a no brainer ? Especially considering we paid that much for the likes of Fellaini and Herrera.
Here's a talented young player who wants to leave and who the club are willing to sell.
Would be a definite upgrade over Rooney and Mata, wouldn't he ?
Guess it makes too much sense for our board to be interested in him..
Here's a talented young player who wants to leave and who the club are willing to sell.
Would be a definite upgrade over Rooney and Mata, wouldn't he ?
Guess it makes too much sense for our board to be interested in him..
He's as slow and weak as Mata. We need a different type of player for our attack.
Maybe Götze wouldn't be interested? Van Gaal is not exactly an easy coach to dealt with and Götze supposedly is looking for stability and a "safe" enviroment for him to get his career back on track.
I wouldn't say this is a huge problem. Götze probably wants to be playing in a central role and those don't need speed as much anyway. Besides, he was doing very well under Klopp with all the quick transitions, even when playing on an outer position.
According to the Caf, 99% of attacking midfielders are a definite upgrade over Mata and Rooney.