We can but hope....
Marek Hamsik
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We can but hope....
In fact the only team that he's said would be hard to turn down is us.
Haven't seen what's so special about this fella every time I've seen him, albeit only 5 or 6 times, and only once for his club.
Yeah, I've watched him against Ireland twice now and he's been shite both times. All style and no substance. The stupid haircut suits him.
His face annoys me too. This may also contribute to my opinion of his ability (or lack of it)
Hamsik can't replace Tevez. They don't play the same roles.
I know that, you know that. The average Star reader doesn't have a clue.
From te International Business times ( never heard of them either).
Hehe, Gambers, you'd die of self molestation if this happens, won't you?
I'd call it living. Living I say!
Not the kind of player SAF should target at the moment imo.
Do not want!
I watched a bit of him against Villarreal for the first time and wasn't too impressed. He scored a pretty good goal, though.
His just an ugly Joe cole.
We need him
No we don't. If we need someone to our midfield in our formation, we shouldn't buy an attacking midfielder like him.
I really like him as a player. Shit hair, though.
Really? another attacking midfielder? not for me.
though i guess you're just haing a laugh so i wont really go into detail
I think that we should try and sign De Rossi, a classy DM who will give us the solid foundations needed to allow Clev-Ando-Carrick to go forward and do the damage.
unlikely we'l go for a 28yr old though. he isnt someone who'l just sit back and protect the back 4 like a carrick does. likes to start attacks and go forward too. i do think we can mould jones into such a player tbh/.
He's a complete player more in Keano's mould (a weaker version though but who isn't) rather then Carrick. He's also a leader and there had been contract problems which will certainly drive his price down. With so many kids in cm De Rossi would be an awesome signing for us.
How about in such a weak mold that Carricks dominated him. I still don't get the fuss over him considering Fletcher and Carrick made him look useless. He's not in the Keane mold, more Dennis Wise.
Don't you think that its a bit unfair to compare De-Rossi with Carrick when the difference in terms of talent (all the team) between United and Roma was enormous and Roma had other bigger things in mind (ie the risk of a financial meltdown)? Its like saying that we shouldn't have signed Jones because he was a member in that Blackburn team that ended up 7-1 against us or all our players wouldn't make it at Barca since they barely didn't anything useful against them.
Anyone who watches continental football know that De Rossi is a great defensive midfielder. You wouldn't have Real, City and Milan circling around your services if he was as good as Dennis Wise.
No it's nothing like comparing Blackburn and Phil Jones. It was Roma a team with history in the champions league, who had made the quarter finals in the case you were mentioning after coming second in their league and knocking out Lyon. It wasn't just that game though, it's been every Roma game. I do watch continental football and people who do know that DeRossi is incredibly inconsistent. He'll have a couple of games a season were he looks like the complete defensive midfielder, and then look very average for the rest of it. He vanishes off the pitch in a lot of mathces and leaves his team with a big task to do. When you watch a string of games were he makes Sully frigging Muntari look like the better option then no, I don't want him. Anyway I've had this debate so many times. For the type of player you're talking about Rather have M'vila..
Back to the illpig. Scored his 50th goal for Napoli yesterday. His stats are incredible.
Roma has a history in the CL? Didn't knew about that. How many CLs has they actually won? How many times they actually reached the CL final? Roma is the equivalent of Spurs in England. They won the Serie A league 3 times in their history with an average 30 yrs gap between each league.
Roma has been having a multitude of problems for quite sometime. Sensi died, leaving a big hole in Roma finances and forcing the team to sell key players at a regular rate. Players like Cassano, Vucinic, Mexes, Chivu and Aquilani ended up leaving the club. At one point even Totti andDe Rossi were close of leaving too. Its hard to show consistency in this situation where the team has other more important things in mind and were great players are often replaced with often average ones.
Returning on United, in my opinion we've got a core of great young talent which, if carefully developed they can become great players. What we do lack is a leader in CM, someone who can take the lead when things go wrong. We lack that player. If the Italian int is available on cheap (contract problems) then it would be great to sign him up.
To conclude Hamsik goal stats are breathtaking but I have doubts whether he can play in a 4-4-2 formation.
you mean as bad as Dennis Wise!!
The only thing with signing De Rossi now is his age surely.
Which is what i said. he isnt a typical DM who'd sit back and protect the back 4. if we needed that, carrick's good enough. if you need a CM who'l protect the back 4 while still bombing forward at the right moment, i'd rather we mould Jones in that role rather than spending a huge sum on De Rossi.
He's defintely a good player, no doubt. but jones can do the job he does if he's given games in that role. he's too good a player to be wasted on the bench once vida gets fit imo. we should try him in a 3 man midfield with ando and cleverley or in a 2 man midfield with one of them.
If SAF is planning to groom Jones as DM then you may have a point but till the time of writing it doesn't look like that he's doing so. Jones has been tried as RB and CB, never as a CM.
Its because i dont think SAF is looking for that kind of a midfielder. hence our interest in the likes of sneijder nasri and modric(if the papers are to be believed) but never a CM in the mould of a de rossi. SAF is content to play carrick as the DM when we need one and go with ando and cleverley when we dont.
thats where am coming from. if he does eventually feel the need for a CM in the rossi mould, he'l do well to give jones a run there rather than forking out the sum for de rossi imo. Him being 28 is perhaps enough for us not to sign him tbh.
and it comes down to the normal final gambit for Derossi fans, excuses, excuses, excuses, if it want for this, or if it wasn't for that Derossi would be great, well if my Aunty had a dick she'd be my uncle.
Anyway I know Hamsik can play in a 4-4-2. He did pretty much 2-3 seasons ago, he just won't score as many goals.
Believe me, no one care to bring out excuses. Im just putting things in the right perspective. Its like saying that we should never sign a player who was been part and parcel of a 7-1 defeat. It would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
Hamsik is a great talent but he's attacking minded and of a frail figure. He's suited to play just behind the striker and not as a CM in a 4-4-2 system, especially in the more physical EPL
Spot on. He'd blend in nicely with Cleverly and Anderson.
I love the type of player that De Rossi is and I've been impressed with him many times in the past.. but from what I hear he's been disappointing for a while now. And he's getting up the in age as well.
Has De Rossi ever been impressive for the Italian Team. I've seen him play in Euro 2008, Confederation Cup and World Cup and everytime he has been hyped like crazy whilst doing nothing worthwile.
I'm not basing my opinion though on just that one game, I'm basing it on a lot of games.
Hamsik is not that frail, I've seen him physically dominate DeRossi in a midfield battle that left DeRossi so demoralised for that game that Hamsik was able to completly ignore him. He was in the midfield then, he was moved further forward to the right of the attacking trident a season and a half ago.
I would rate de Rossi or schweinsteiger as the best two vaguely realistic buys we could make. If we were to sign a midfielder it is important that it isn't one who is too attacking minded, and that we buy one who is in their peak and can make an immediate impact.
Writing off de Rossi as he is 28 is daft - we have players for the future, we need one for the present. If anything, him coming in for 4 years and then maybe making his final big money career move elsewhere would be ideal - in 4 years time the likes of cleverly, Anderson and pogba will be coming into their primes and be ready to take over.
Writing off de Rossi as he is 28 is daft - we have players for the future, we need one for the present. If anything, him coming in for 4 years and then maybe making his final big money career move elsewhere would be ideal - in 4 years time the likes of cleverly, Anderson and pogba will be coming into their primes and be ready to take over.
I'd take Schweinsteiger at the drop of a hat, I'm writing off DeRossi as he's overated.
I don't really have that much to add to the topic, other than everytime I've literally watched Hamsik, I have been left disappointed.
To his defence, I've not watched him that much in Serie A (+-8 matches in Serie A) and there are tons of players who perform much better for club over country.
On topic of other midfielders out there (available midfielders no doubt), from the few that I do watch as much as I can, and who might be available my pick would probably not be De Rossi either.
- Schweinsteiger would be my muppet fantasy
- Banega looks the talent
- I think Javi Martinez might actually be more suited to the player we currently need in midfield as he will add some steel, plus great technical/passing ability
- Modric would improve us
(don't watch too much of the French League, but they have 1 or 2 CM's to keep an eye on as well)
To his defence, I've not watched him that much in Serie A (+-8 matches in Serie A) and there are tons of players who perform much better for club over country.
On topic of other midfielders out there (available midfielders no doubt), from the few that I do watch as much as I can, and who might be available my pick would probably not be De Rossi either.
- Schweinsteiger would be my muppet fantasy
- Banega looks the talent
- I think Javi Martinez might actually be more suited to the player we currently need in midfield as he will add some steel, plus great technical/passing ability
- Modric would improve us
(don't watch too much of the French League, but they have 1 or 2 CM's to keep an eye on as well)
Schweinsteiger would be an excellent signing, but the chances to get him are zero. Just signed a new contract, Bayern would never sell, he would never wanna leave (he's like Scholes or Giggs)
This guy would be my choice. Very talented, great physics, strong on the ball, technical ability. A great talent, captain of the U21. He'll be a star and would fit perfectly into our team
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